Alright ive been looking through a lot of peoples LED setup and thats the path I want to take. I have a closet space of 40"x45"x72" LxWxH. I was looking to get a secret jardin DR60 and a 240 blackstar led, will that be a overkill? Lookin to grow 2 plants or how ever much to yield 8-10oz.
help with a newbie led setup :D
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dr grinsp00n
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if your looking for led's and you have the money for that blackstar get this instead. I've used numerous times with overall very good results. kicks the crap out of blackstar http://www.hidhut.com/led-comet-magenta-400-led-grow-light-p-3292.html or http://www.hidhut.com/ufo-adjustable-enhanced-spectrum-led-grow-lights-p-1828.html. honestly though if your looking for 8-10 ounces i'd go for a 600 swithchable mh/hps setup it'd be cheaper and you'd actually have a shot at growing some quantity. you will see better results with hid lights. but with the 270 blackstar led you'd get around 1 and a half ounces off two plants with that space. with the hid hut 400 led unit i'd say safely 2-3 ounces
Duggiefresh
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LED is not recommended. Only LED lights on the RED and Blue light spectrum will stimulate growth. LED lights are super expensive and the quality of the grow is said to be not so great. CFLs are cheaper and have proven better results. Just something to think about.
dr grinsp00n
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yeah i agree with duggie fresh. get either cfl or hid lights for real results
Duggiefresh
New Member
125w X 2 CFL is a decent amount of light for a closet/box type grow on their own without the LED. His grow was probably pretty good, but I doubt the LEDs contributed much if at all. Get a good CFL set up. Youtube is a goldmine of CFL box or closet setup ideas.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/609646-135w-led-closet-grow-2-a.html this was the thread I was looking at. I guess that would be achievable with the auto flower strains.
dannyboy602
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Wrong. You obviously havent read anything and are just parroting what youve heard. Anyone who has grown with decent LED's knows the yields are about the same. The original investment is greater but you'll save money on energy costs.
LED is perfect for closets. it helps keep the heat down. Black stars are great I have three of them. They say 600 but only draw about 340 watts. They aren't cheap however. I think your space could use two of them. Really with led's you need to keep your canopy even and close to the light source. They don't penetrate. So think about LST or supercropping for canopy control. Problem with any HID lamp in a closed space is the heat build up. So my advice is to stick to your original idea but ramp up the wattage.
weedman24/7
Member
I use 1000w for 2 plants...HID...
I'm using a bigger area though...
Day 23 of flower, 6 footers...5+ oz. each, for sure.
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Galvatron
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what the fuck are you guys talking about? have you seen the new all white leds? if you havent grown with leds and just going from what you read please dont give advice. dannyboy and weedman has the right info everyone else is just throwing out wrong info.
< the picture there by my name is a plant grown with 350w of leds.
the thing with leds is if you are in a hot area it will be good for you. if youre growing in a place that is constantly cool or cold and can keep the heat down with minimal costs you should probably use a hps system. it depends on your situation. also if your willing to put a decent amount of money into your vent fans and exhaust system you can go with hps lights. if not than leds might be what you need. it all depends on what you want to do and your individual situation.
< the picture there by my name is a plant grown with 350w of leds.
the thing with leds is if you are in a hot area it will be good for you. if youre growing in a place that is constantly cool or cold and can keep the heat down with minimal costs you should probably use a hps system. it depends on your situation. also if your willing to put a decent amount of money into your vent fans and exhaust system you can go with hps lights. if not than leds might be what you need. it all depends on what you want to do and your individual situation.
Well I remeasured and adjusted my closet, seems I can do a 3x3x6 tent. Im looking to do a real quite setup, a diy carbon filter. Im on the very top floor on my apartment so it gets toasty. I rarely will be home since I work 11hrs a day, lookin to leave the light on when I get back and sleep.. I think I will shoot for the LED setup. I guess if I cant yield as much expected I can do a continue cycle and just keep going. Should I get a 360led for the tent size, or 500led?
Anyone spouting off crap about LEDs don't work are shooting off at the mouth prior to any investigation whatsoever.
Do some research before posting, or better yet, do some research, try it yourself, then you'll be qualified to speak.
There are TONS of VERY successful grows with LEDs. I've used one, but now I use HID and my LED is in my veg area, ready to be swapped with CFLs in an emergency if my HID ever fails, as the LED is my backup while a replacement HID can be acquired.
Especially effective is flanking your LED with CFLs to really get good penetration.
-spek
Do some research before posting, or better yet, do some research, try it yourself, then you'll be qualified to speak.
There are TONS of VERY successful grows with LEDs. I've used one, but now I use HID and my LED is in my veg area, ready to be swapped with CFLs in an emergency if my HID ever fails, as the LED is my backup while a replacement HID can be acquired.
Especially effective is flanking your LED with CFLs to really get good penetration.
-spek
prosperian
Well-Known Member
OP - Nothing wrong with the proper LED panel in the right hands...
Shoot me a PM if you need help or just follow any of my grows, it's all LED.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/654674-im-ready-blue-og-white.html
Area 51 SGS-160 LED Grow Light
Website: http://area51lighting.com/the160.html
Unit Size: 12" wide, 18" long, 2.5" thick
Power Source: 48x Cree XPG Outdoor White + 24x Cree XPE Red
The white LEDs are 5w Cree XPG 4000k, and the reds are Cree XPE 630nm.
The white LEDs cover spectrum from about 415nm to 780nm, and provides enough 660nm.
Electrical Consumption: 120w Veg Mode; 155w Flowering Mode (actual draw -/+ 5w)
Coverage: Minimum 24" x 24" ; Maximum 36" x 36" ; Recommended 24" x 36"
Recommended Height Above Canopy: 18"
PPF: 1156 Umol'/s @ 12", 762 Umol'/s @ 18", 527 Umol'/s @ 24", 326 Umol'/s @ 36"
Cooling: Finned Aluminum Heat Sinks + (2) 120mm 73cfm/10dba ball bearing fans
Operating temperature: 77F - 86F / 25C - 30C (generally operates a few degrees higher than ambient temps)
80 Degree secondary Optics
Shoot me a PM if you need help or just follow any of my grows, it's all LED.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/654674-im-ready-blue-og-white.html
Area 51 SGS-160 LED Grow Light
Website: http://area51lighting.com/the160.html
Unit Size: 12" wide, 18" long, 2.5" thick
Power Source: 48x Cree XPG Outdoor White + 24x Cree XPE Red
The white LEDs are 5w Cree XPG 4000k, and the reds are Cree XPE 630nm.
The white LEDs cover spectrum from about 415nm to 780nm, and provides enough 660nm.
Electrical Consumption: 120w Veg Mode; 155w Flowering Mode (actual draw -/+ 5w)
Coverage: Minimum 24" x 24" ; Maximum 36" x 36" ; Recommended 24" x 36"
Recommended Height Above Canopy: 18"
PPF: 1156 Umol'/s @ 12", 762 Umol'/s @ 18", 527 Umol'/s @ 24", 326 Umol'/s @ 36"
Cooling: Finned Aluminum Heat Sinks + (2) 120mm 73cfm/10dba ball bearing fans
Operating temperature: 77F - 86F / 25C - 30C (generally operates a few degrees higher than ambient temps)
80 Degree secondary Optics
MarioMadness
Active Member
Led's work great in my books. but it's about quality not quantity with leds. or you really gotta invest money on say a blackdog/growblu/area 51 led for yields also lol. I'm running a 500watt and a 200w and 3x 42w 2700k cfl's in a 3 x 2 x 5 box and got about 3.5 oz's. could get 5-7 max ( my total watts is 442-450)
amazing products for closets or enclosed spaces. cuts the need for intake/exhaust down alot. and technical on a larger scale the no heat signature would be a huge benefit. but for 8-10 oz's your looking at 600w-1000w hps. or 500watt+ raw watts for leds
amazing products for closets or enclosed spaces. cuts the need for intake/exhaust down alot. and technical on a larger scale the no heat signature would be a huge benefit. but for 8-10 oz's your looking at 600w-1000w hps. or 500watt+ raw watts for leds
prosperian
Well-Known Member
I see your point and agree that to get production you have invest in better LEDs. I think production is also going to be based on the grower's experience more than fixture, given the watts are the same on both LED / HID.
My 400W MH/HPS HID on my last grow, yielded 9 oz from four plants in the same closet. I would expect close to the same results out of my LED. It comes down to coverage or light foot print.
The 400w works the best at 12" from canopy covering about 2' X 3'. My LED panel covers that same foot print at 15-18" above canopy. If I were running the same strains, I would expect the same production regardless of light fixture. Spectrum is better on LED, but that affects quality more than anything.
Anyway, yes, the higher quality LEDs will produce the same results as HID in the right hands.
Well I think im going to aim for LED, just better for my situation.