Help Me With Nutrients! GIVING +REP
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guitarzan420
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i use botanicare they have a veg and bloom formula and I add a little cal/mag supplement and add molasses the last couple weeks flower with flush. goood luck!
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chitownsmoking
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dutch masters is the way to go. advanced line.
whiterhyno420
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i order form advance nutes. i get big bud for blooming
DR growgood
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genral hydro man its awsome u use the same three part solution from veg to bloom i also sugest liquid kool bloom and dimond netor.
laserbrn
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Sensi 2 part is the easiest shit in the world to grow with. The others are cheaper, but I haven't found them to work as well. I'm on of those that tried AN and has never gone back. Not saying that nutrients are the end all be all of what happens with your plants, just that I am satisfied with their lineup.
Just use SensiGrow A&B for Veg.
SensiBloom A&B for Bloom.
Beyond that it's additives. Big Bud and Overdrive are both good, Bud Blood is a crock of shit.
Just use SensiGrow A&B for Veg.
SensiBloom A&B for Bloom.
Beyond that it's additives. Big Bud and Overdrive are both good, Bud Blood is a crock of shit.
The Good Doctor
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The easiest thing out there I have seen is the gen hydro two part Flora Nova Series. People are seeing awesome results, and you litterally use one bottle for veg, and one for bloom(unless you want enhancements).
The Good Doctor
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I have noticed that AN has a great marketing setup, but I am not seeing that they have the only results that work. Every company( for the most part) makes something good. If you find that it works for you, then it works. It is that simple. There litterally is no best.
But like with Cocacola, and Nike and McDonalds, they have the most money for marketing soooo. . . where does their money go. You nutes or their marketing?
But like with Cocacola, and Nike and McDonalds, they have the most money for marketing soooo. . . where does their money go. You nutes or their marketing?
The Good Doctor
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Humph, are you stupid?
Plants want organics over chemicals. I use the chemicals myself, but ultimately you will get better results(especially for smoking) from organics. Personally, I start my grow with chemicals and transition into organics for the last part of the grow. This way you get the clean bud from organics, and the cheap chems at the front end help with the pocket book.
Plants want organics over chemicals. I use the chemicals myself, but ultimately you will get better results(especially for smoking) from organics. Personally, I start my grow with chemicals and transition into organics for the last part of the grow. This way you get the clean bud from organics, and the cheap chems at the front end help with the pocket book.
The Good Doctor
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Ultimately, they all work, if they work for you.
It is hard to beat a simple 2 part toal system. Organic or other wise.
The FloraNova Series is litterally two parts, uses both chemicals and organics, and gets good results(from gen hydro). I have seen no increases, or better tasting results, or yields from Advanced Nutes. I tried them and am back to Gen Hydro. I will admit, up until now, I did small 2 and 5 plant runs with hydro, and did big runs with soil, so I will not claim to be a hydro expert, but AN didn't pay off like people said it would. Not for me.
It is hard to beat a simple 2 part toal system. Organic or other wise.
The FloraNova Series is litterally two parts, uses both chemicals and organics, and gets good results(from gen hydro). I have seen no increases, or better tasting results, or yields from Advanced Nutes. I tried them and am back to Gen Hydro. I will admit, up until now, I did small 2 and 5 plant runs with hydro, and did big runs with soil, so I will not claim to be a hydro expert, but AN didn't pay off like people said it would. Not for me.
laserbrn
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Well, that was your findings. Sounds like you don't know how to grow using hydro. I could definitely kick you down my hydro nugz and you woudn't know. My shit tastes as good or better than anything grown in bat shit.
I can appreciate organic growing methods, but I don't like statements that are asserted without reason. The bud I've grown in hydro can't be "taste selected" in a blind test. If I said one of these organic and one is hydroponic you couldn't tell which was which.
I don't know why I keep hearing that on this forum so much that there's a huge taste difference. I don't know anyone in real life that can tell if I grew this batch organic or hydro.
The Good Doctor
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Whatever, I guess its true because you said it right?
Lol, my friends have been growing in Hydro for years, you don't get a shit ton of heavy metals from organics. The plants natrualy take in natural components(uctually) quicker easier etc. and also let them go quicker. Some of the heavy metals that chem nutes put into the plant never leave it, no matter what you do, including water curring. I have also been growing in hydro for years, just not big runs.
One note on your rebuttle if thats what it was.
Their is only one real way for you or anyone to be able to say that, or assurt that.
Take three or four of the same clones from the same batch, put one in hydro using chems one using organics one in soil etc. Then once they are all done, use the exact same curing, sugars, bud candys enhancements etc. . . only difference the nutes. Then litterally have a blind taste test.
You might even find that people like the chem bud, I suggest that is what would happen with most smokers(not super smokers). Because those are the same people that like bud curred without water curing. They want the chemicals, that is what they are used to. Like people who prefer McDonalds to a real resteraunt.
No one said organic had to be bat shit, etc. Its just any carbon carrying compound not derived from a pure chemical lab. Like organic chemistry. You can make acids alkalines etc. Just not with raw chems. I suggest that the people who are the tasters who smoke just for the experience might know the difference. I can't say I do, because me smoking white widow that was organic, then sour d that was chem from two differen't guys, from two different strains and different clones or whatever, is not at all scientiific. As neither is a taste test.
The raw facts that data annalasis prove, is that for 24/7 tokers and medical tokers or any toker, is that organics are better for you, when done right.
There is a reason the FDA and the EPA keep heavy metals and toxins data on every Chemical Fertilizer company, and in fact they all have to agree to the test. I myself use chemicals, I like the results, but I have seen taste differences, annicdotally.
But like all things growing and weed oriented, it isn't science even though its scientific. If it works for you, it is right!
Lol, my friends have been growing in Hydro for years, you don't get a shit ton of heavy metals from organics. The plants natrualy take in natural components(uctually) quicker easier etc. and also let them go quicker. Some of the heavy metals that chem nutes put into the plant never leave it, no matter what you do, including water curring. I have also been growing in hydro for years, just not big runs.
One note on your rebuttle if thats what it was.
Their is only one real way for you or anyone to be able to say that, or assurt that.
Take three or four of the same clones from the same batch, put one in hydro using chems one using organics one in soil etc. Then once they are all done, use the exact same curing, sugars, bud candys enhancements etc. . . only difference the nutes. Then litterally have a blind taste test.
You might even find that people like the chem bud, I suggest that is what would happen with most smokers(not super smokers). Because those are the same people that like bud curred without water curing. They want the chemicals, that is what they are used to. Like people who prefer McDonalds to a real resteraunt.
No one said organic had to be bat shit, etc. Its just any carbon carrying compound not derived from a pure chemical lab. Like organic chemistry. You can make acids alkalines etc. Just not with raw chems. I suggest that the people who are the tasters who smoke just for the experience might know the difference. I can't say I do, because me smoking white widow that was organic, then sour d that was chem from two differen't guys, from two different strains and different clones or whatever, is not at all scientiific. As neither is a taste test.
The raw facts that data annalasis prove, is that for 24/7 tokers and medical tokers or any toker, is that organics are better for you, when done right.
There is a reason the FDA and the EPA keep heavy metals and toxins data on every Chemical Fertilizer company, and in fact they all have to agree to the test. I myself use chemicals, I like the results, but I have seen taste differences, annicdotally.
But like all things growing and weed oriented, it isn't science even though its scientific. If it works for you, it is right!
laserbrn
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This wasn't a rebuttle, it was a simple statement of my position and what I have found to be true. But I didn't make all of the wild assertions that you are without providing any data or information.
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur - "what is asserted without reason may be denied without reason"
Where is this RAW data AND analysis of taste tests? Please provide your findings.
What heavy metals are found in chemical nutes that aren't in organic fertilizers? If you have some information about the levels of heavy metals in chemical nutrients, PLEASE provide them. I would love to have a REASON to use organic fertilizers instead of the touchy feely "it makes me feel like it's better" without any actual proof that it is.
Heavy Metals in ORGANIC fertilizers can very much be aproblem...
http://www.omri.org/AdvisoryCouncil/Metals_in_Fertilizers-b6-2005-02-14.pdf
What would lead you to believe this information your providing as FACTUAL? Did you simply read it in this forum and you are regurgitating it? Seems to be the norm around here.
I know I come off as a dickhead sometimes in these little debates, and that's not my goal. My goal is to seek the truth and if you feel you have it, I would like you to give it to me. But I seek the truth through facts and findings, not blanket assertions on this forum that have a tendancy to continually propogate over and over. If 8 people SAY it does it become truth?
How many blind taste tests have you done? If the blanket statement is that organic buds taste better than those grown with chemical nutrients then it would seem we would all be able to taste this difference. I have smoked an ounce a week for YEARS and hydro buds generally taste better, smoke better and look better. I don't chalk this up to the fertilizer itself, but actually the growing method and the control the grower has over the exact levels of nutrients during the growth process.
But I don't make any assertion that hydro is better than organic or vice versa. There are obvious advantages to hydroponics for the grower, but the outcome final product's taste and smoke has really always come down to how healthy the plant was grown, the maturity at harvest, the drying and curing and the genetics. Not whether it was grown with organic or chemical nutrients.
By all scientific measures they are both just different methods of deriving the same elements.
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur - "what is asserted without reason may be denied without reason"
Where is this RAW data AND analysis of taste tests? Please provide your findings.
What heavy metals are found in chemical nutes that aren't in organic fertilizers? If you have some information about the levels of heavy metals in chemical nutrients, PLEASE provide them. I would love to have a REASON to use organic fertilizers instead of the touchy feely "it makes me feel like it's better" without any actual proof that it is.
Heavy Metals in ORGANIC fertilizers can very much be aproblem...
http://www.omri.org/AdvisoryCouncil/Metals_in_Fertilizers-b6-2005-02-14.pdf
What would lead you to believe this information your providing as FACTUAL? Did you simply read it in this forum and you are regurgitating it? Seems to be the norm around here.
I know I come off as a dickhead sometimes in these little debates, and that's not my goal. My goal is to seek the truth and if you feel you have it, I would like you to give it to me. But I seek the truth through facts and findings, not blanket assertions on this forum that have a tendancy to continually propogate over and over. If 8 people SAY it does it become truth?
How many blind taste tests have you done? If the blanket statement is that organic buds taste better than those grown with chemical nutrients then it would seem we would all be able to taste this difference. I have smoked an ounce a week for YEARS and hydro buds generally taste better, smoke better and look better. I don't chalk this up to the fertilizer itself, but actually the growing method and the control the grower has over the exact levels of nutrients during the growth process.
But I don't make any assertion that hydro is better than organic or vice versa. There are obvious advantages to hydroponics for the grower, but the outcome final product's taste and smoke has really always come down to how healthy the plant was grown, the maturity at harvest, the drying and curing and the genetics. Not whether it was grown with organic or chemical nutrients.
By all scientific measures they are both just different methods of deriving the same elements.