undercovergrow
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right?! i'll admit it though: i giggled out loud a little
Help me increase my yield please!!!!
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'm wondering if he is holding out for that big yield to share da butthole first......different strokes different folks yanno!
TacoMac
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I grow two plants per grow with a single 600 watt MH/HPS. I net between 4 and 6 ounces per plant. You're doing everything that can be done wrong somehow or another.
If I had to guess, you're making way too much of nutrients and additives and stunting the shit out of your grow.
chemphlegm
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but the fan leaves use the light... not the corresponding buds silly
like removing roots so you dont have to up pot
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dirtWeevil
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everything about the leader was beautifully exquisite, for instance, his deficant was immaculate, he bore no strain, his colon, no strife. The glorious turds didn't so much exit his body, perhaps more accurately they "entered the world", each blessed ropey fragrant coil was tipped always upward as if to beckon for return. But alas, each magnanimous memorial the leader left behind was spirited away in the night by his adoring cohort, every single one cast in bronze and cherished for the ages.
Roger A. Shrubber
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bigger pots when you flip to flower will help. i've grown the same strain in a 5 gallon bucket and a 20 gallon tote, the 20 gallon totes produced 2.5 times as much, in otherwise identical conditions
Have you ever stripped a plant?
Guess what all those potential bud sites have.......leaves.Give "those" leaves light and watch fluff turn to nugs.Been doing it this way for quite a while.i grow for buds.....not leaves.
Defol is nothing new and i have yet to see any one do it then stop doing it.
budman111
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You want to top and scrog for better yields mate, far better yields.
chemphlegm
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yep sure have, first hand experience here. Each fan leaf DOES NOT correspond to the adjacent bud like newbies believe.
but its cool, do what works for you until it doesnt anymore.
coreywebster
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There has to be a relationship other than every leaf that catches photons feeds the whole plant, otherwise why would anyone using adequate lighting ever have any popcorn buds. You don't see it with vertical lighting for example but the same plant grown with horizontal lighting would have popcorn. If someone grew a scrog and don't take off the lower parts they wouldn't put on weight, the only reason can be the lack of light down there.
I'm not starting an argument with you personally, cuz your ace. But I have to put my point across.
coreywebster
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OP veg longer. Bigger pots or more time in veg with the bigger pot to allow the root mass to grow, root mass and plant mass are related, unless in a hydro situation with multiple feeds per day in which case root mass and pot size can be overcome.
chemphlegm
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sure I agree. I guess first we agree on what is a popcorn bud right? I would say popcorn buds occur beneath the point of light penetration. If thats agreeable then we need to consider that fact insufficient light is to blame below that point. My meter says I'm peaked at around 24 inches from my canopy at my chosen light height. Not to say I dont have some steely sized keeper buds a bit below that, but, right below those last ones are fluff. the leaves in those areas are pale, the buds underdeveloped.
If I were to remove a higher functioning leaf at that depth in order to allow light to reach a bud below it ...I'd need to realize that that light is already insufficient for proper expression at that depth and removing a leaf only suffered the healthy expressing buds its working to feed.
we're also producing resin while nature wants to secure seeds. more uv to the bud sites would produce more resin to protect the wombs, so we got that going to support your thoughts too.
I remove most growth under my optimal light penetration. because I have dozens of strains coming in to harvest in the next few days all year, compared to colas, nobody is interested in small broken buds in my circle so why feed, grow, fuss and trim it to begin with I figure, I splash muddy water while watering five gallon buckets, I dont like having to inspect the lower buds for mud, or worse finding it later, I never saw my lab tests show a bud contained more active ingredients when below my light penetration point. plus skirts look really cool, and I'm the only one who gets to see them...
peaced
thats my take, no science of course, just wishy washy good feelings and vibes is all.
How long until it just stops working?........been doing it this way for quite a few years.Just curious.We can agree to disagree.....no sweat.
chemphlegm
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no idea, that would depend on your circumstances. I can recall many garden habits of yesteryear that I was sure of, practiced regularly ...until I either learned better(for me) techniques and adapted habits more suited to my environment/habits. for instance the strains I grew 10 years ago are not the strains I grow today. We all get bored of the same things and change up. I found my new best of's didnt like the heat like I used to manage poorly but my old ones didnt mind at all.
So much so I could say for example
" I keep high heat because it makes them so potent and big, high heat is the key to making big potent buds". but then I'd find I wasnt always correct, maybe just fortunate with those runs who knows, or maybe I was on to something and only had to augment with c02 to get the most of my plants using higher heat/metabolic rates. see how things can change over time for individual growers? its not that you'll find your habits are ill someday but maybe find they dont adapt well to your new space or strain down the road.
I used to grow my tomatoes on tall trellis' and figured that was the win. and it was, for awhile, till I couldnt climb a ladder anymore to harvest safely so now I let them grow naturally in a cage instead for my win. I used to grow those lower buds and use them for cooking and oil. that was tops for me, to know I could take trash to stash. but then my fingers dont work the way they used to, so I lollipop now. back then I'd swear to people they were foolish for wasting all that undergrowth larf, now I get it.
peace out
joegrizzley
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Hey fellas well I appreciate all the information negative and positive. Sorry took so long to respond but to start the only reason I had really stripped them that much was I was experiencing a spider mite issue so I removed all lower leaves where they mostly where and began using the neem oil. Which I believe I have gotten rid of them now I also tied them down to main line them kinda my style of growing I don't like all that bottom pop corn nug bs lol. But like I said I go appreciate all the help I was the one asking. I'm going to veg them out in these pots untile my fox farm ocean forest arrives I ran out. And I use a 50/50 mix of the pro mix bx and the fox farm. Anyhow my overall plan is to veg these plants out much much longer and hope that I don't run into any other big problems down the road. I do thing they did recover very well pictures posted
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joegrizzley
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Hey what's up buddy thanks for the comment. You know I have never took into consideration that your not soppose to veg with hp light I never did before and use to get way better yield using my t5 4x4 I have 2 off them but the lights went out on one and just one wasn't enough so I began just using my ho and it never even crossed my mind. And for my veg period all I use is mother plant a+b nitrozyme which is a seaweed extract or whatever and then also hydrozyme and cal/mag when needed. I had someone give me shit about using cal mag but I only do when I see it's needed I like my plants healthy and green as possible. For flower I kinda use the whole advanced line up minus the bullshit lol...
joegrizzley
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Few you can see better with lights off...I appreciate all help even if I have to deal with the manly chuckle lol..
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joegrizzley
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I've come to realize I'm fucking up somewhere that's why I'm here lol
joegrizzley
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Aw man I'm honestly not sure I'm growing from seed. But like I mentioned I'm waiting on my fox farm soil to get here then I will be transplanting into bigger pots and let them go for at the least 2 full weeks before I flip them into flower maybe even longer I want a really good Yield this go around