Help me devise a 12 plant perpetual vert grow
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ttystikk
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Exactly.
BenFranklin
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Ohh, ok, then I will just throw away the past 30 years of experience, along with all the other peoples experience like Greg Green, Ed Rosenthal, Jorge Cervantes, and many other SCIENTISTS who grow other things like vegetables and fruit, that all have claimed and proven scientifically, that GENETICS ARE THE MAIN DETERMINING FACTOR IN PRODUCTION AND HARVEST!
You folks can sit here and argue that it's all your magic growing abilities and amenities all you want, You can have the best grow room in the world, if the strain is genetically inferior, it will produce INFERIOR RESULTS. This isn't bullshit, this is SCIENCE.
You can continually make claims that your plants pulled off 9 ounces, well thats good, I am glad to know that your plants have the genetics to do this, without those genetics, your plant would be HEMP!..
You folks can sit here and argue that it's all your magic growing abilities and amenities all you want, You can have the best grow room in the world, if the strain is genetically inferior, it will produce INFERIOR RESULTS. This isn't bullshit, this is SCIENCE.
You can continually make claims that your plants pulled off 9 ounces, well thats good, I am glad to know that your plants have the genetics to do this, without those genetics, your plant would be HEMP!..
TryN
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When I read "... this is SCIENCE." All I heard in my head was Thomas Dolby ...
BenFranklin
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This will be easy..... Genetically, which plants are the best to grow indoors user lights in a short ceiling environment, Sativa, or Indica?
Knowing this, what plants would you rather grow indoors? INDICA or HEMP?
GENETICALLY YOU'D HOPEFULLY PICK INDICA!
Not all plants produce pounds of buds, if they are genetically able to do this, they will, if not, they won't.
If your genetics call for you to have a tail, you're getting a tail.
In fact in the Hemp market, you don't want plants with massive buds, instead, you want a plant that genetically produces long straight branches and very little resin or buds, so that post harvest production and rendering will be made much easier on both the handler and the equipment. It also makes a superior stem product because the genetics were picked to make heavy strong LONG stems, rather than short fat juicy buds.
Knowing this, what plants would you rather grow indoors? INDICA or HEMP?
GENETICALLY YOU'D HOPEFULLY PICK INDICA!
Not all plants produce pounds of buds, if they are genetically able to do this, they will, if not, they won't.
If your genetics call for you to have a tail, you're getting a tail.
In fact in the Hemp market, you don't want plants with massive buds, instead, you want a plant that genetically produces long straight branches and very little resin or buds, so that post harvest production and rendering will be made much easier on both the handler and the equipment. It also makes a superior stem product because the genetics were picked to make heavy strong LONG stems, rather than short fat juicy buds.
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MrMeanGreen
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Listen grumpy arse, you have backed yourself into a corner and trying to dig yourself out. Of course you can't put a square peg in a round hole and u can't polish a turd ( actually you can polish a turd) but botanical science says exactly what I said earlier, bigger plants = more fruit. You proved that point yourself with SOG. Chill and lick a zoot.
BenFranklin
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Uh, what????
There is nothing to defend, there is nothing to back into a corner, you can continue to be ignorant and argue against SCIENCE FACT all you want.
And calling bullshit on "pounds of weed per plant" is not being grumpy, it's calling BULLSHIT. I am sorry that your perception of your own reality leads you to believe that I am "grumpy" or "angered" by your ignorance, maybe you should get that checked out.
It's part of the problem these days, is people with ignorance having access to a keyboard.
(P.S. I'd have to take you seriously to be angered by you, I stopped taking both of you seriously, from the first post. Your 9 ounces although an average harvest, is nothing to write home about. Even a lb is not unheard of, 3 lbs wet, dries 2/3rds, but, making claims of POUNDS per plant and claiming that genetics are not the determining factor, is really, REALLY funny, it's LAUGHABLE, do you understand??) LOL!
Do you also understand that BOTANICAL SCIENCE(whatever the fuck that is) also says that the GENETICS FOR MAKING BIGGER PLANTS MUST BE PRESENT? IF the GENETICS FOR BIGGER PLANTS IS NOT PRESENT, they will NOT make BIGGER BUDS, regardless of how much of Santa's magic dust you use.
(Apparently this won't be easy)... LOL!
There is nothing to defend, there is nothing to back into a corner, you can continue to be ignorant and argue against SCIENCE FACT all you want.
And calling bullshit on "pounds of weed per plant" is not being grumpy, it's calling BULLSHIT. I am sorry that your perception of your own reality leads you to believe that I am "grumpy" or "angered" by your ignorance, maybe you should get that checked out.
It's part of the problem these days, is people with ignorance having access to a keyboard.
(P.S. I'd have to take you seriously to be angered by you, I stopped taking both of you seriously, from the first post. Your 9 ounces although an average harvest, is nothing to write home about. Even a lb is not unheard of, 3 lbs wet, dries 2/3rds, but, making claims of POUNDS per plant and claiming that genetics are not the determining factor, is really, REALLY funny, it's LAUGHABLE, do you understand??) LOL!
Do you also understand that BOTANICAL SCIENCE(whatever the fuck that is) also says that the GENETICS FOR MAKING BIGGER PLANTS MUST BE PRESENT? IF the GENETICS FOR BIGGER PLANTS IS NOT PRESENT, they will NOT make BIGGER BUDS, regardless of how much of Santa's magic dust you use.
(Apparently this won't be easy)... LOL!
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purplehays1
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watts r weight in my experience, you should be getting a minimum of a 1/3 lb per month in your cycle, so 2/3 to 1 lb per light per 2 months. Assuming u have genetics that can be done in 2 months.
And SOG relies not on big plants, actually it relys on SMALL single cola plants and is only a viable option if you can have a SHITLOAD of plants in a small area, which not everyone can.
Also 1 lb/plant is not impossible, it is common!!!! But this is not done with a 2 month turn around.
And SOG relies not on big plants, actually it relys on SMALL single cola plants and is only a viable option if you can have a SHITLOAD of plants in a small area, which not everyone can.
Also 1 lb/plant is not impossible, it is common!!!! But this is not done with a 2 month turn around.
BuzzD2Kill
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Of course genetics have a lot to do with yield, and quality. That being said some can up yields a little with skillz etc, anyone willing to veg and train a plant that long deserves that extra bit of nugg. Dont hate the guys just accept it, bigger yields more time, smaller yields less time, usually, so no one is right, we all get nugg. Lets smoke and share smilez.
ttystikk
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This isn't bullshit 'I read it somewhere' or hearsay, so listen up; I've grown everything from pre '98 Bubba Kush to Bubble Gum- and dozens of different hybrid and sativas- and I am here to tell you that unless it's an autoflower, I can make it yield well over an elbow. And chances are good that I already have with something similar.
Any blowhard who wants to dispute that with me is basically telling me that all my friends are blind, stupid and can't use a scale.
Any blowhard who wants to dispute that with me is basically telling me that all my friends are blind, stupid and can't use a scale.
Flagg420
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IMO: If you wanna go vert (for the space saving purpose) and are sure you can keep the temps down, the best setup I've seen so far for your needs is to drop a bulb (or 2 when funds allow, stacked) Then surround your "light column" with a small wire fence (this ones for your safety really) Put each plant from seedling/clones straight to the flowering pot, then after a week or 2 of vegging n training, cage it with the same fencing (that nice green coated wire fencing from lowes) with each plant having an independent cage you surround the "light column" with plants, and... (worst part) rotate rotate rotate rotate...... if you cant automate this (cuz it wont be cheap or super simple, but can be done) this will make you insane... like every 1-2hrs while its on, turn them all..... Oh, if ya got spare floro's, stand them vertically opposite the main lights so the plants get surrounded by light...
Why go thru all this nonsense? (aside from the reasons of vert grow to begin with)
With a 12 plant limit and wanting to run non-stop, you have to run 2 rooms..... (I mean you COULD run from seed 12/12, but to fill a screen youd want 6 at a time, and thats not what your after here)
This allows the plants to be independently mobile.... and the light penetration of 1000w from the side, and on ALL sides of each plant....
If thats too much, scrog it... My last 400w 2'x2' single plant scrog dropped 472g and made me wanna weep with joy....
Why go thru all this nonsense? (aside from the reasons of vert grow to begin with)
With a 12 plant limit and wanting to run non-stop, you have to run 2 rooms..... (I mean you COULD run from seed 12/12, but to fill a screen youd want 6 at a time, and thats not what your after here)
This allows the plants to be independently mobile.... and the light penetration of 1000w from the side, and on ALL sides of each plant....
If thats too much, scrog it... My last 400w 2'x2' single plant scrog dropped 472g and made me wanna weep with joy....
JackHererSki
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at 1 gram per watt thats 21 ozs... TOTALLY feasible
ttystikk
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Nice job! That's the most I've heard from a 400W light source!
ttystikk
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WTF is up with all the people wanting to rotate plants in vertical grows? How often do you turn your ScrOG upside down?!
I do NOT rotate my plants. Ever. They're clipped onto a screen that faces the same way the entire grow. Yes, there are bare branches in the back. So what? It's dark back there, the light is all inside!
I'm getting great yields, my trellis fills in, etc etc. I see no reason whatsoever to rotate plants in a vertical ScrOG setup.
I do NOT rotate my plants. Ever. They're clipped onto a screen that faces the same way the entire grow. Yes, there are bare branches in the back. So what? It's dark back there, the light is all inside!
I'm getting great yields, my trellis fills in, etc etc. I see no reason whatsoever to rotate plants in a vertical ScrOG setup.
ttystikk
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My six foot tall pre '98 Bubba Kush- a low yielding pure indica known for growing nothing but popcorn buds- just produced over a pound.
The reason your grows aren't getting better is because you are far too close minded to entertain new ideas.
Plenty of people 'call me out'- and then get a pic.
I know what I'm doing. Do you? From the sound of things, I'm beginning to doubt it.
BuzzD2Kill
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I usually veg for monthish, get my plants to 3 foot then 12-12, getting anywhere from 2oz - 5 oz plant. That being said I totally see you getting a grip of nuggs for bigger plants, that just makes sense. 
ttystikk
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I veg rooted clones for a total of eight weeks, to end up with trees o' bud six feet tall.I usually veg for monthish, get my plants to 3 foot then 12-12, getting anywhere from 2oz - 5 oz plant. That being said I totally see you getting a grip of nuggs for bigger plants, that just makes sense.