Help me devise a 12 plant perpetual vert grow

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merdamerda

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I have a 12 plant limit here and was looking to plan out a perpetual grow with a harvest every month. 4 in veg 8 in flower with 2 cycles in flower about a month apart. Im looking to pull 2 lbs per cycle with 1000 watts using 4 plants. Is that possible with vertical? There is roughly 2 months of veg maybe a little more. I've looked into vertical scrog and it looks like thats the best route since stadiums and coliseum style vert don't go good with only 4 plants.
 
killemsoftly

killemsoftly

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you could grow 2 trees per light. Lotsa people having success doing trees, just hang a light vertically (by a chain, not its cord) and boom, with the right varietal, you have tree.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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merdamerda said:
I have a 12 plant limit here and was looking to plan out a perpetual grow with a harvest every month. 4 in veg 8 in flower with 2 cycles in flower about a month apart. Im looking to pull 2 lbs per cycle with 1000 watts using 4 plants. Is that possible with vertical? There is roughly 2 months of veg maybe a little more. I've looked into vertical scrog and it looks like thats the best route since stadiums and coliseum style vert don't go good with only 4 plants.
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Been there, built that. If you want to grow four plants around one thouie, build a silo like my 4x4; use 4' tall mesh fencing (I suggest Home dePot for their 2"x4" mesh, in 4'x50' rolls are $35 ea.) and then use enough to make a silo between 4 and 5 feet in diameter, or 12.5'-16' feet in total circumference. From personal experience, I think four plants will fill this space more easily than two will.

One silo in grow room A and another in room B, both in bloom, one a month ahead of the other in its cycle, four plants in veg to fill the next silo coming open Aaaaaaaand voilá! With time and dialing in, you could reasonably expect FOUR pounds per crop around either one thouie- or here's an insider's recommendation; two Gavita Proline 600W bulbs. Those would kick serious ass in there, you'd want the larger diameter silo.
 
Nuikala

Nuikala

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.......and now i think i have to do a vertical grow....i have a 4x4x7, and a 4x3x7 grow space......i still have yet to get a pound per crop under my 600hps/ t-8 setup.
 
redzi

redzi

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If some breeder told me he has a strain that yields 1/2 pound off 600w and a few T8s I would say he is lying or doing it outside with a little help from this thing called a sun.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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redzi said:
If some breeder told me he has a strain that yields 1/2 pound off 600w and a few T8s I would say he is lying or doing it outside with a little help from this thing called a sun.
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And I'd think he's sandbagging, because I've watched people pull well over a pound a run from 600W setups, no problem, over and over.
 
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weed nerd113

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that is similar to my set up. 12 plants 3 harvested every 3 weeks with a 45 day veg.4 x8 flower tent with 3 6000w hps. it is possible depending on strain and co2 enrichment but i say you will be close to that but it is all strain specific. one of my strains no way but one of my money makers sure.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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BenFranklin said:
VERY dependent on strain......
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Not really, as long as you're willing to wait until the strain you've chosen has filled in the canopy area under the bulb well enough.

Honestly, unless you're running an autoflower strain, you should have no trouble vegging your cannabis plant to be as big as you desire, no matter what strain it is. That certainly includes getting it big and well shaped enough to do well under a little 600.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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BenFranklin said:
I disagree and will leave it at that.
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I respect your opinion, but I'm here to tell you from personal experience that the only strain I can't get to grow SIX FEET TALL is an autoflower. That's not heresay; I've done it. More than once. Name your classic short season indica dominant strain and it's probably had a turn...
 
BenFranklin

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You can grow it 6 feet tall, but if the genetics are not there to pull a pound on a 600 watt light, it won't, PERIOD. You can respectfully disagree, you can claim vast experience, but, science doesn't budge.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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ttystikk said:
I respect your opinion, but I'm here to tell you from personal experience that the only strain I can't get to grow SIX FEET TALL is an autoflower. That's not heresay; I've done it. More than once. Name your classic short season indica dominant strain and it's probably had a turn...
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Can you do it with one month in veg and two in flower?
 
Red1966

Red1966

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Well, I hear of people going straight to 12/12 with no veg, so it can be done. This guy is trying to get 1 harvest every month with a 3 month total growing time for each, with never more than 12 plants. It can be done, but he's going to get small harvests. Certainly no 6 ft. tall plants. I wonder if they count cuttings as "plants". They do here, for prosecutorial purposes.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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hydrolyzed said:
I guess all the people who flower rooted clones are doing it all wrong, and yielding nothing every harvest, and just keep doing it for the lulz?
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The question was asked specifically about my own approach and that's the vein in which I answered it. That's how long I do it for my method- which is meant to fill in a six foot tall by four foot wide trellis with one plant. That won't happen overnight, for lulz or any other reason.

At the other extreme, I know people who espouse a 12/12 cycle from seed, so it's pretty much undeniable the plants can tolerate a lot and still thrive. You do what works for you, I'm not here to tell you different.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Having a reread of the thread, I can see the confusion; I was answering the question about how to harvest a respectable crop monthly and stay under twelve. I was not limiting myself to the assumed timeline of one month veg, two months flower, rather, I was suggesting that he use fewer plants and veg them longer than that. Vegging longer means they get bigger and bigger means more yield at the end of bloom, provided you account for their size and growth in your grow room design.

What's wrong with growing such that you pull only one or two trees a month, anyway? If you're getting several pounds per plant, that should last you, pay your bills, provide for hash, etc etc. I'm just thinking out of the box a bit... you know, instead of square, I'm thinking cylindrically...

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BenFranklin

BenFranklin

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ttystikk said:
No. It takes rooted clones two months to be bloom ready.
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That's just wrong.... I root my clones in 7 - 10days and in 2 weeks they can go into budding, for a total of 14 days.

This method is also used in sea of green in which you take a single plant, remove as many clones as you can, put them in to rooting for 7 - 10 days, and immediately start budding when they start showing roots, you end up with a massive amount of little 1/4 to 1/2 ounce kolas.

In fact from seed to finish on this same strain is 90 days. I don't bud until I see hair, within 4 weeks of sprouting.

And as for pounds per plant on an indoor grow??? BULLSHIT! (When you eliminate all other factors such as growing environment, nutrients, etc etc, the determinate factor for harvest weight is GENETIC. If the genetic is not there for a plant to produce POUNDS, it won't, PERIOD, you can piss on it with your golden magical super thrive grow juice, and it won't up it's production unless that genetic is there. You're just pissing in the wind.)

Apparently you have a difficult time understanding that a 6 foot tall plant, may or may not produce a pound.... You seem to have this fantasy that if a plant grows 6 foot tall then it MUST produce POUNDS.. It's just simply NOT true. The genetic to produce a pound must be PRESENT!

In fact, after reading through more of your posts, welcome to my ignore list, you're so full of shit that it's amazing that no one has called you on it yet.
 
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MrMeanGreen

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BenFranklin said:
That's just wrong.... I root my clones in 7 - 10days and in 2 weeks they can go into budding, for a total of 14 days.

This method is also used in sea of green in which you take a single plant, remove as many clones as you can, put them in to rooting for 7 - 10 days, and immediately start budding when they start showing roots, you end up with a massive amount of little 1/4 to 1/2 ounce kolas.

In fact from seed to finish on this same strain is 90 days. I don't bud until I see hair, within 4 weeks of sprouting.

And as for pounds per plant on an indoor grow??? BULLSHIT! (When you eliminate all other factors such as growing environment, nutrients, etc etc, the determinate factor for harvest weight is GENETIC. If the genetic is not there for a plant to produce POUNDS, it won't, PERIOD, you can piss on it with your golden magical super thrive grow juice, and it won't up it's production unless that genetic is there. You're just pissing in the wind.)

Apparently you have a difficult time understanding that a 6 foot tall plant, may or may not produce a pound.... You seem to have this fantasy that if a plant grows 6 foot tall then it MUST produce POUNDS.. It's just simply NOT true. The genetic to produce a pound must be PRESENT!

In fact, after reading through more of your posts, welcome to my ignore list, you're so full of shit that it's amazing that no one has called you on it yet.
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When you take away environmental issues and grow style, your yield is directly proportionate to light quality, root mass and active green matter (Leaf gettin good light). The more you veg, the more root and leaf matter is produced, it is as simple as that. I just pulled 9oz each of 2 plants veg for 1 month and i made a few errors along the way. What will a plant vegged for 2 months produce, assuming roots and leaf have developed accordingly.
 
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