help,ive had all i can take.

trapper

trapper

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how goes it,ive been growing in soil for a few years now thanks to riup.i love growing in soil and wish i could continue,but over the past 4 months my back(degenertive disk disease)and 4 surgeries later i can no longer do soil properly and give it the attention it needs and deserves to grow good smoke.i have no alternative when this grow is done to go to a more back friendly form of growing,i already have all the metters and various nutes,what i want to know what is the best hydroponics setup with health in mind,one that has less chance of breaking down,not that i cant fix most things,it is sometimes i cant bend to do my belt up,so would flood and drain be my best option or bubbleponics all replies aprietiarted.from your friendly trapper,how many other sites have a real live bush wacking trapper but rollitup.
 
ganjagoddess

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flood and drain with rockwool will save you.

DWC or bubbleponics as you called it is just as bad on lifting, soil and water in abundant quanties.

Rockwool blocks could not be a easier method of growing and the table will be at a height where you can manage it properly without too much strain.

GO FOR IT!!!
 
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ganjagoddess

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Why without rockwool??

If he were to use Hrdyoton hes not really taking the strain of himself IMO.

With rockwool you can just put the 1 inch plugs into either 3 or 4 inch blocks, or if you choose HUGos.

Couldnt be any more simple than that. and it is a proven method that works.

As nice as the hydroton could be it may not fit his needs.

OH NM unless you meant Pots in flood and drain table with hydroton as the medium, flood alot every day for sure.

yeah either of those would work great sorry lord bluntage you are right hydrton pots would be so much better.
 
LoudBlunts

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for some reason i just dont like Rockwool.


hard to get rid of when finished..... manipulating the ph, all kinds of shit!


i say found with coco, hydroton pots or something.

they even sell coco boss blocks like those rockwool cubes and blocks
 
LoudBlunts

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JordanTheGreat said:
and if you really wanted to you could definately use a pump to make res changes as laborless as possible
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yes mos definitely.... pumps, a few turn valves and tubing is a MUST in hydro, imo.


makes the res changes so much easier and less manual work!


nice suggestion plus 1 rep
 
ganjagoddess

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Rockwool is hard to figure out, but I have been forced to use it for the last three years.

Rotational growing machines basically have to use them, so i have dealt with it.

They are essentially rotating flood and drain machines.

Rockwool can be mastered....

But Ph fluctuations and overwatering are almost always the probs for me.
 
trapper

trapper

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thanks all,so are we agreeing that pots with hyroton in a flood and drain is the more easier on the back then rockwool,i just purchased pumps today actualy for filling and draining the res when i get them.so if i do 2 4by4 tables,i use pots with the hydroton rocks,i have a 7 foot cieling and want to bend as little as possible so the plants would have to be grown short,so what size pots would you guys recomend.thanks.how often do reses need to be changed,or topped up,assumeing each table will be 4by4 and what size res would you recomend.thanks
 
trapper

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lordblunts how often do you water with the hydroton balls.do they reatain much moisture,they are expandable so they must,also do you fill the whole tray with the rocks so the roots dont grow out and are exposed to the light,it is hard to go from soil to hydro but im actually looking forward to it,i cant withstand the pain,ive never been a lazy worker,i could high ball it in my time with the best in the bush,but im not that man any more,and flood and drain is something i should of switched to last year,is it true that flood and drain gives better yields then dirt,when some of my fore fathers came from scotland they were all farmers,this hydro may make them mad in the heavons,and they may not give my crop its blessings lol.but then my native ancestors may be proud of my advancements because they grew wild rice in the water.
 
LoudBlunts

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im not sure


but i do know that if you use straight hydroton, you will have to water more frequently

i like coco in flood and drain systems.

yes its true, all hydro methods will outgrow soil
 
trapper

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LoudBlunts said:
im not sure


but i do know that if you use straight hydroton, you will have to water more frequently

i like coco in flood and drain systems.

yes its true, all hydro methods will outgrow soil
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coco,do you use the coco in pots or in slabs.
 
LoudBlunts

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i put coco in coco tek liners/pots


you can also buy coco boss blocks like how they have rockwool cubes/blocks


old schoolers swear by slabs! either way they will grow!
 
trapper

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LoudBlunts said:
i put coco in coco tek liners/pots


you can also buy coco boss blocks like how they have rockwool cubes/blocks


old schoolers swear by slabs! either way they will grow!
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what would you recomend as easier on the back,coco croutons in pots or the slabs,i think the ability to move pots around may be a better idea what do you think,and what size pots do you use,and how high do you veg them too,thanks for all this.
 
LoudBlunts

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lol...i dont use very big pots!

3" coco pots. filled with Canna brand coco straight out the bag!!!

cut clones from mother. i do no veg, i toss em into flower soon as they root.


i've had to put that system on standby tho as i had to dismantle the op when i moved up, im hoping to have it back up soon
 
ganjagoddess

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Trapper I want to rechime in here...

I do not think for the sake of your back that Pots filled with hydroton or coco is actually going to work to save you pain...

Like I was implying the Rockwool has its problems, BUT it will save your back.


COCO: if you get the compressed bales you are gonna kill your back working to fluff it back up, if you get the loose bag like lord blunts was speaking of, you still have pots full of basically hydro type like soil. You have gained no advancement here except you have a flood and drain table that waters them.

You could have just as well stayed in SOIL and set up a drip system.

DONT GET THE COMPRESSED KIND to save money, will kill your back.

HYDROTON: Same thing as above (pots full of substrate, just simplified watering system)


For overall ease of everthing I am saying IMO that Rockwool is so simple, lightweight, and not heavy at all, and although it has its many problems, for you it sounds perfect.


Lord Blunts, do you agree? What can you add..?
 
trapper

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LoudBlunts said:
lol...i dont use very big pots!

3" coco pots. filled with Canna brand coco straight out the bag!!!

cut clones from mother. i do no veg, i toss em into flower soon as they root.


i've had to put that system on standby tho as i had to dismantle the op when i moved up, im hoping to have it back up soon
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sounds good,i read were you like the rapid rooters,your setup sounds like that of albfuct,would that be fair to say,and is his a good journal to learn from,and do you know of any good journals to recomend i read on the flood and drain system.
 
LoudBlunts

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ganjagoddess said:
Trapper I want to rechime in here...

I do not think for the sake of your back that Pots filled with hydroton or coco is actually going to work to save you pain...

Like I was implying the Rockwool has its problems, BUT it will save your back.


COCO: if you get the compressed bales you are gonna kill your back working to fluff it back up, if you get the loose bag like lord blunts was speaking of, you still have pots full of basically hydro type like soil. You have gained no advancement here except you have a flood and drain table that waters them.

You could have just as well stayed in SOIL and set up a drip system.

DONT GET THE COMPRESSED KIND to save money, will kill your back.

HYDROTON: Same thing as above (pots full of substrate, just simplified watering system)


For overall ease of everthing I am saying IMO that Rockwool is so simple, lightweight, and not heavy at all, and although it has its many problems, for you it sounds perfect.


Lord Blunts, do you agree? What can you add..?
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to an extent.... that coco really isnt that heavy. i mean maybe its cuz i only used so little of it and not in big pots. but its really not that heavy! and i also think wet RW will weight if not more/less just as much as coco....but yes, i agree in general.

the biggest thing i would worry about (involving my back) is that damn water!!!! water is fucking heavy, trapper make sure you install extra ball valves and pumps and tubing so you wont have to lug around that damn water!!!
 
trapper

trapper

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ganjagoddess said:
Trapper I want to rechime in here...

I do not think for the sake of your back that Pots filled with hydroton or coco is actually going to work to save you pain...

Like I was implying the Rockwool has its problems, BUT it will save your back.


COCO: if you get the compressed bales you are gonna kill your back working to fluff it back up, if you get the loose bag like lord blunts was speaking of, you still have pots full of basically hydro type like soil. You have gained no advancement here except you have a flood and drain table that waters them.thanks,im here to concider all options what you are saying has maret,no i do not want to haul around a bale,im sure i can figure out the ph problem,if the rockwool is easier on the back for sure then that is the road i would take,because the main issue is my back,the eaasiest on my back is the best and only option from here on out,because it isnt getting better it is getting worse.ganjagoddess do you know of a good journal on rockwool and flood and drain,one that goes through all the steps,i apreciate your guys healthy debate and hope it continues and others might chime in as well,because that is what makes a site a success.trapper.i hope fdd doesnt find out im throwing the dirt outside.

You could have just as well stayed in SOIL and set up a drip system.

DONT GET THE COMPRESSED KIND to save money, will kill your back.

HYDROTON: Same thing as above (pots full of substrate, just simplified watering system)


For overall ease of everthing I am saying IMO that Rockwool is so simple, lightweight, and not heavy at all, and although it has its many problems, for you it sounds perfect.


Lord Blunts, do you agree? What can you add..?
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i put my responce to ganja godess on wrong line see if it shows.
 
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