++Hellraizers++ DO AND DONTs and in and outs of the ebb&grow/ebb&flow systems
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hellraizer30
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What are your net pots in?
Someguy15
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I think he means just using 5" netpots in the tray. If your using pots that small you should be going for a sea of green technique. I do Scrog (about 5-9 plants per 3x3) and use 2 or 3 gal pots. But I'm all about big roots and big plants. I would say half way is a good height with hydroton, but it's pretty forgiving on over watering. It's having the flood too low that could cause problems as hydroton doesn't wick water up very well.
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
32 5in pots in a 4x2 table and your going to veg them till there a foot tall!?
Dude you need to flip them as soon as they get in the table! So zero veg and
Even then its going to be stuffy
Dude you need to flip them as soon as they get in the table! So zero veg and
Even then its going to be stuffy
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
600 is fine!
A 3x3 would of been better for those numbers
A 3x3 would of been better for those numbers
Someguy15
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yes a 600 will be fine over that. Square would match the light pattern better but the plants r pretty good at adapting to their space. I would have to agree with HR, if your doing SOG you need to zero veg, or a week at the most. A trellis setup is more Scrog style which uses bigger plants and a screen to spread them. With SOG you just try to get a single cola from each plant, hence why u need like 30 of them. But this pushes them to yield, so 1/2 oz off each plant means a big yield. That would be 16 oz harvest, which under a 600 would be very good. So pick a style and go with it, is it gonna be SOG or Scrog? Can't do both really...
guess its gonna be sog than as i havent gotten around to buying the trelis yet yea id prefer the square shape for lamp but gotta make due any good sog threads to read out there i have a 400 that i can take out the veg tent and replace with cfls to help cover the 2x4 if neccessary also with the 400 its in a 2.5x2.5 ft tent and the temps dont get over 72 with the lights on plants are 6 inches away not showing burn or anything is this too strong for 2 week old seedlings
Green Revolution
Active Member
I would like to start off focusing on root rot and slime thats common in the ebb/grow systems!
Root rot! Its seems to take charge in week 3 of bloom with the exsposive amounts of root filling
The buckets, cap has x2 versoins of buckets one is a flat bottom and the other is a raised style
With a slight angle to help draining! Does either one work not really, water still remains in the
Bucket in between floods and sits with 0 air and under the heat of your lamp. No air = stagnent
Water = in root rot! And water siting under lights in black tubing is like a heater increasing temps
In one case i did a test where my chiller was keeping a good 62 to 63f in the res! And i installed
A water proof temp gauge in the main line that feeds the buckets. My floods are spaced 4 hours
Apart and half way through to the next flood my inline water temp was 78! I couldnt believe it lol
So high temps = brown slime or pythium! This all took place with a bad ass chiller in place. Everytime
It cycled a flood it would bring back bactiria to the res and thus causing a revolving cycle of shit!
To eliminate a good amount of this high temps i replaced my black lines with 3/4 white pvc and put
Foam on the lines, the kind you snap on to help with frozen water pipes. White pvc and no direct
Light on the line got it down to 65 to 66f from 78in doing so it almost elininated slime and made
My chiller run half as much. Back to root rot! Even though cap raised there buckets raising it a1in to
2inchs more is a win all to geting them to drain 100% and elininating rot. Keep in mind lots of air in
The res is key to replacing fresh clean water full of air to your plants roots! When you raisem up dont
Raise the controll box, i know by doing this you lower the flood level! Its ok your plant will love you
For it!
Sounds like a lot of the same problems I had with hydro. I tried chillers, H2O2, everything... So much cleaning it made my head spin. I will say though, that tea recipe is spot on Hellraizer. I used a similar one when I ran ebb and grow buckets. Those pieces of shit drove me crazy! Ran a few ebb and flow tables after that and went back to soil. I haven't looked back since.
Ohh yeah, I totally ditched my aerocloner too. Now I get 6-7 days in plugs, 75%.... 10-12 days 100%.
Not trying to downplay the hydro or anything. Just adding my two cents. Hydro sure can add to yield but if it's any lesson learned, it's no more recirculating systems for me!
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
I spent many years in soil and loved it but when I went dro there was many lost nights of sleep, but I have overcome it and
dont think I would go back lol. this is a big reason im so into helping folks master hydro!
dont think I would go back lol. this is a big reason im so into helping folks master hydro!
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
So ive done some adjustments to my formula AN resipe
Bloom cycle with ph perfect
Grow. 13ml per gal.
Micro. 13ml per gal. Add micro first
Bloom. 13ml per gal.
Bud ignitor 4ml Per gal. Week 1-2
Big bud. 4ml. Per gal. Week 2-4
B-52. 4ml. Per gal week 3-6
Overdrive. 4ml. Per gal. Week 6-8
Last couple weeks flush.
Bloom cycle with ph perfect
Grow. 13ml per gal.
Micro. 13ml per gal. Add micro first
Bloom. 13ml per gal.
Bud ignitor 4ml Per gal. Week 1-2
Big bud. 4ml. Per gal. Week 2-4
B-52. 4ml. Per gal week 3-6
Overdrive. 4ml. Per gal. Week 6-8
Last couple weeks flush.
D.Medicated
Member
hey hellraizer i like that bloom recipe, was wondering what you use for veg?
i really want to do a ebb & flow system! ill send you a message some time to get some more info on building one and such!
also the tea, would that replace the AN nutrients or would you use it alongside the nutrients?
i really want to do a ebb & flow system! ill send you a message some time to get some more info on building one and such!
also the tea, would that replace the AN nutrients or would you use it alongside the nutrients?
Someguy15
Well-Known Member
If you buy a tray the rest can be easily built. 2x4s for a stand and rubbermaid for a rez (30g or smaller).
As for the tea, it's only for beneficial bacteria so you can use it along side any nutrient regiment.
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
@d.med for veg I just cut the base nute in half! That should put the ppms at 500 to 600 depending on your water.
And the only sup is sensi a at the same ratio, and b52 at the same ratio! The b52 use all the way
Through veg
And the only sup is sensi a at the same ratio, and b52 at the same ratio! The b52 use all the way
Through veg
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
I to have used bleach to control bactiria! But that dont help or contribute to root growth and plant growth! And
Thats something the tea will do on top of kill bad bactiria!
nice but with hp aero i think id would prob clog my sprayers. but im subd here to learn about ebb n gro I have 2 4x8 tents one hp aero the other soil and was thinking about trying an ebb n grow? off of a 4x8 tent hwo much could i yeild and how often with an ebb n grow? thanks man
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
In a 4x8 i would do 12 buckets! i think 2 large With x2 lights is a easy goal!