Heisenbeans Genetics

Amos Otis said:

How many did you crack? I used to always have a few packs and singles of inexpensive beans and freebies to crack as backups just in case a sausage party happened from the targeted beans. You never like to toss unrun plants, but if they were cheap, it's like a cheap insurance policy against time wasted. I haven't looked in a while, but you used to be able to get Female Seeds brand for next to nothing. I remember getting 4 Lemon Kush fems for 20 bones.

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Still basically the same. I love their C99. Bubblegummer is a solid, all around plant. Didn't care for their Lemon Kush at all though.

12/12 from reg seed in a hempy solo or a 1gal fabric pot till sex for the win! Lose 2 weeks tops, but no vegging bigass males eating up resources,space and time.

whytewidow said:

Wait what.... GPS is doing fems now? I'm blocked from the gps thread lol. Cuz I call it how it is.

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I would've never thunk anyone could get banned from that thread.

Heisenbeans said:

Fems are better for smaller growers without the space to sex 20 plants to get a couple females.
I personally like em and think it's a complete bullshit misconception that regs are more stable or better than fems. Using a Male is a crapshoot in some cases. With 2 females you know they both are fire.
I've seen as many herms with regs than with fems. I think fems get a bad rap when breeders use stress techniques and use pollen from a female that was already showing hermie tendancies.
Females reversed by chemical manipulation that otherwise would never herm are good to go.

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thanks for the info. i have zero problem with fems, or you doing your thing. I disagree however with the stability argument. My first 20 years of growing and popping 1000's of beans while doing pheno hunts and personal breeding projects, I have maybe seen a handful of nuts swinging, and they were all sterile. I was growing alot of old school amsterdam crosses that were true breeding, but still.

fast forward to the last 10 years, fems have become more accepted and so has random hermies. hermies used to be unacceptable, now they are common. even I am fine with killer pheno's that have random sacs. worth the headache!

but my question for you is why do you think there are bad batches of fems, and why all s1's of the same elite clone differ from breeder to breeder. Josey whales himself has struggled with s1's of GG4.

why are some batches all male? what is the environmentals that help gurantee good batch of fems?
For regs, I always liked the analogy of males grow taller, faster so they can rise above the canopy, and allow their pollen to land on the females. And the reason stress brings out hermaphroditism is procreation 101. stress triggers the gene that causes sense of senescence and need to procreate.

I saw Mike from exotic genetix talk about how low stress in early seedling stages improve chances of females by 50-75%. good temps, good humidity, good root zone etc. and these parameters will stress it out to the point of going male. I personally bounce back and forth between theories if a seed is preprogrmmed to be female or male.

I generally have pretty good luck with m/f ratio, and i only buy regs,

I usually pop 6 at at a time, due to smaller area, and keep a cycle going of vegging and flowering tents, i have been running a variety of good gear lately but just seems everything has come up male.

althor said:

Still basically the same. I love their C99. Bubblegummer is a solid, all around plant. Didn't care for their Lemon Kush at all though.

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Same; love the flavor of their c-99; the potency could use a boost imo. I only had to finish one lemon Kush, and, yeah it was a big yield of c grade, Still bartered it off for a decent return, and didn't have the empty space.

CoB_nUt said:

I would've never thunk anyone could get banned from that thread.

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I definitely did. I guess when you're right and you don't pay to advertise. It doesn't matter. Lol. I mean my cnc cut is pretty fukn good but it is what it is.

Velvet Elvis said:

thanks for the info. i have zero problem with fems, or you doing your thing. I disagree however with the stability argument. My first 20 years of growing and popping 1000's of beans while doing pheno hunts and personal breeding projects, I have maybe seen a handful of nuts swinging, and they were all sterile. I was growing alot of old school amsterdam crosses that were true breeding, but still.

fast forward to the last 10 years, fems have become more accepted and so has random hermies. hermies used to be unacceptable, now they are common. even I am fine with killer pheno's that have random sacs. worth the headache!

but my question for you is why do you think there are bad batches of fems, and why all s1's of the same elite clone differ from breeder to breeder. Josey whales himself has struggled with s1's of GG4.

why are some batches all male? what is the environmentals that help gurantee good batch of fems?
For regs, I always liked the analogy of males grow taller, faster so they can rise above the canopy, and allow their pollen to land on the females. And the reason stress brings out hermaphroditism is procreation 101. stress triggers the gene that causes sense of senescence and need to procreate.

I saw Mike from exotic genetix talk about how low stress in early seedling stages improve chances of females by 50-75%. good temps, good humidity, good root zone etc. and these parameters will stress it out to the point of going male. I personally bounce back and forth between theories if a seed is preprogrmmed to be female or male.

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I dont know what genetics those other breeders are using. Over half of them just seem like big ass liars and lie about the stuff that have. If I gave you my cut of cake and you reversed it the same way I did there is no reason the seeds would not be identical. I think I the issue comes from liars using bullshit clones or selling s1s as some other hermie pollen cause they couldnt reverse what they was after. You really think all breeders are ethical in being truthful about what cuts there using.

Stress has absolutely nothing to do with the predetermined sex in the seeds. Male releases both x and y pollen. Females are y. A y pollen on a female gives you a female seed. An x on a female pollen gives you a Male. Some males put alot more more x than y. Ever seen a dude with 5 girls and no boys. Yeah that's his ass putting out all that y sperm.

A female that hermied naturally is way more more likely to pass on that trait like she passes on other things like high trich ratios and structure.

Forcing a female to produce Male pollen from ethylene reduction is not going to produce a hermie plant UNLESS she was already throwing late stage balls or stress related balls. She already has the hermaphrodite gene embedded.

I have no clue what josey has done over there. I'm not even sure he discovered the glue. As I u understand mardawg found the flant from hermie seeds he got from josey.
So yes gg4 s1s could put out herm tendency plants because she was the result of a mother that naturally hermied.
The gg4 im running has not thrown any balls ever.
People buying them s1s of her will know that theres a chance of herms but probably a bigger chance of finding a bad ass keeper that's close to the original mom of gorilla glue. All it takes is 1 keeper. Those seeds are not for someone who doesnt pay attention to there garden or there looking for a big run of weed to just toss it all out after its chilled down. Someone buying them will know what they are and what they are looking for.
I have also seen plenty of glue crosses and s1s that were retarded dank and never threw any balls.
Glue is in alot of shit without any issue.
I'm not gonna get Carried away and say she will put out herm seeds because I have no reason to think she will based on me stressing her and the only thing that ever got her to throw a ball was CS.

Also there is no way in hell a batch of s1s are gonna be all male. Someone somewhere fucked that up big time.

Just started spraying the mac1 and a few others tonight.
Mac1 S1s and cross seeds are going out as free testers to everyone signed up. I'll have about 6 seed moms to pollinate so the crosses will most likely be wed cake and banana cookies to the mac1. I'm alot more curious to see how the pollen from her does as opposed to the moms being used as strictly cross seeds.
I'll use her pollen to hit up the cake and banana cookies so the outcome may be different than mutated seedlings. I have a feeling the crosses with the mac1 pollen are gonna be straight fire.

Josey didn't make the S1 GG4 Ethos did it from them.

AmericanGrower508 said:

Josey didn't make the S1 GG4 Ethos did it from them.

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But there is 0 evidence to support what cut was used because for some reason breeders have a big ass issue posting pics of moms being used in there crosses.
The pic on page 1 of this thread of gg4 grown by me is the same exact mom being used for the s1s.
I have never seen her thrown 1 ball. I dont know what those breeders used either. Theres probably 100 to 1 clones of GG4 being passed off as the real. Saying all S1 gg4 crosses are herm plants is a blanket statement. @Dustjesus has the same exact cut as well as @HydroRed and @Greenthumbs256 and they can also verify if she has ever hermied.

Also I'll have sunset sherbert this Friday to add to the collection. It was a hard trade and gave up something I really didnt wanna let go of but said fuk it in the end. Look for future s1s and crosses of her.
Any suggestions let me know.

Underside leaves on the banana cookies. Super excited to make crosses with this female. Cake n banana cookies on this will produce multiple keepers dont matter which way it goes.

Heisenbeans said:

sts mix also if you want it.its a concentrate all you do is dilute it with distilled water.

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Or maybe you can post your recipe for the solution?

Heisenbeans said:

No problem man, I worked on that design for a couple years perfecting it. One thing I added was an inline filter I got from growers house to collect all the organic matter that gets loose from the roots. Bad bacteria feeds on that stuff so I just rinse out the filter every couple days

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You got a link on your videos? I also use an undercurrent design myself in one of my flower rooms and a veg tent.

naiveCon said:

Right about now i wish i had some good Fems,

Feeling frustrated

Dont have an overly large grow space here and just spent a good amount of time veggin and time in flowering, only to show all males,

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I just had a guy act like I was lying about getting mostly males out of reg seed a few pages back.
If I'm using reg seed on a gorilla grow patch I'll put out 3x as many plants as you would want to use because theirs gonna be so many males.
Inside I use nothing but fem seeds. Or I use some cuts from female plants from the reg seed I had outdoors.
I have 6 female plants that I keep rotating that come from reg seed. Some Burmese kush and some of my own pollen chunking of critical mass male bred to a G13 and another one to a forum cut GSC.

Amos Otis said:

Same; love the flavor of their c-99; the potency could use a boost imo. I only had to finish one lemon Kush, and, yeah it was a big yield of c grade, Still bartered it off for a decent return, and didn't have the empty space.

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I've grown 10 of their lemon kush and none was worth having.

Heisenbeans said:

Also I'll have sunset sherbert this Friday to add to the collection. It was a hard trade and gave up something I really didnt wanna let go of but said fuk it in the end. Look for future s1s and crosses of her.
Any suggestions let me know.

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I don't keep up too much with the latest stuff that's out. But the name does sound enticing.

Agreed.

Hurry up, this dollar I got for Xmas is burnin a hole in ma pockit, lol.