Heisenbeans Genetics

And jus gonna throw this out there. If I run testers for you and find something outstanding. You can count 100% I'm gonna use it. I will 100% ask you before hand. And give you first dibs at the beans if you want. For free of course. But with all this he made this I made that shit. I'm telln you for a fact I will use it in a cross if it works out to be fire. So really what I'm saying is I cant wait to run banana 9 x cake and cross it to a monster Maui Wowie x(Purple Haze x Malawai) male that makes Gu's stardawg look like a shit storm.

CoB_nUt said:

What breeder is dropping these?

Wait....are you saying YOU are holding spots open? If so, I'm game.

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Lol no heisen is makin bananas 9 x cake.

nevermind.deleted...lol. I was like

whytewidow said:

And jus gonna throw this out there. If I run testers for you and find something outstanding. You can count 100% I'm gonna use it. I will 100% ask you before hand. And give you first dibs at the beans if you want. For free of course. But with all this he made this I made that shit. I'm telln you for a fact I will use it in a cross if it works out to be fire. So really what I'm saying is I cant wait to run banana 9 x cake and cross it to a monster Maui Wowie x(Purple Haze x Malawai) male that makes Gu's stardawg look like a shit storm.

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You can use whatever you want. I would hope if someone that found some fire would give me back a cut if they found something that was really special.

Heisenbeans said:

You can use whatever you want. I would hope if someone that found some fire would give me back a cut if they found something that was really special.

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Absolutely you would get first dibs on a cut or beans or both.

thenotsoesoteric said:

No offense to Heisen but I wouldn't select any of these strains for outdoor unless I was in a very mild climate.

Im not a fan of indoor strains outdoor, too many problems. For my guerilla grows in the midwest I would get best results from canadian breeders like great white north or other outdoor breeders. Plants are climatized to be very hardy in tough conditions.

Indoor strains tend to have weak stems for buds so they break and mold is often an issue. Not saying you cant pull some great harvests for indoor strains but it is much easier with outdoor strains.

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I've only ever grown outdoor and used "indoor" strains.... mostly it turned out fine... had to tie some up a bit and have lost some to bud rot when it rained almost constantly for weeks in September ... wildlife is the biggest problem ... ogkb v2.1 and platinum gorilla from IHG.... Gogi Og and ssdd from bodhi... cookie wreck from Cannaventure... insane chem 91 from isp... mastodon kush kappo kush Alice Og.... all turned out excellent with minimal environmental interference or rot.... there are others as well and some that didn't turn out....genetics over environment imo

^^^^^ What Pipe said^^^^.

It's interesting to see and note the different parameters we all grow under. The outdoor season here @ 7100 ft is so brief (June 1 if I'm lucky 'til Sept 30 or so) that I target "indoor" strains that finish in 56-70 days. Many of the "outdoor" strains that go 10+ weeks just won't finish here before frost/cool weather creeps in and ends...or severely slows everything down. Most of the faster flowering selections that Heisen/others are femming do/will do well here.

Re the Bubba's....and again...FWIW.... my knowledge is that Katsu's cut is a clone from the initial Organkid Bubba Kush S-1 drop selected by OG member "Katsu". Ditto with "Ghost OG".....which is a clone selected by Overgrow member "Ghost" from the "Ogre's Kush" S-1 drop (along with Banana OG) S-1's that Organkid dropped. These seeds went FAST....and my memory is that there were only 2 small drops...$100 a pack. The reason the Katsu cut and the Ghost Og cut are out there at all....and are still circulated today.... is that these two good-hearted cats shared cuts of strains that were previously very tighly held from a seed drop that was extremely limited... I've never heard where the Pre-98" originated (does anyone know?)....and there was also a "Wide" or "Green" leaf Bubba that once circulated as well. "Abusive OG' was another member named cut...unrelated to BK...and again...I never really hear much solid info about it's origin....though some back in the day said it was an "Ortega" offspring/offshoot/cultivar and not related ot "OG" at all. Blahblahblah......

The Pipe said:

I've only ever grown outdoor and used "indoor" strains.... mostly it turned out fine... had to tie some up a bit and have lost some to bud rot when it rained almost constantly for weeks in September ... wildlife is the biggest problem ... ogkb v2.1 and platinum gorilla from IHG.... Gogi Og and ssdd from bodhi... cookie wreck from Cannaventure... insane chem 91 from isp... mastodon kush kappo kush Alice Og.... all turned out excellent with minimal environmental interference or rot.... there are others as well and some that didn't turn out....genetics over environment imo

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The east coast and 91 I have are grown outdoors by @shorelineOG with no issue. I would have no problem putting any of these outdoors.

The Pipe said:

I've only ever grown outdoor and used "indoor" strains.... mostly it turned out fine... had to tie some up a bit and have lost some to bud rot when it rained almost constantly for weeks in September ... wildlife is the biggest problem ... ogkb v2.1 and platinum gorilla from IHG.... Gogi Og and ssdd from bodhi... cookie wreck from Cannaventure... insane chem 91 from isp... mastodon kush kappo kush Alice Og.... all turned out excellent with minimal environmental interference or rot.... there are others as well and some that didn't turn out....genetics over environment imo

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I've grown many indoor strains outdoors and again the outdoor bred strains always out performed the indoor strains in terms of amount of harvestable product. Aka cash cropping which is what the op was asking about.

The outdoor strains molded less, had almost no broken branches and was comparable in terms of product. With indoor strains I've had whole plants mold up, plants split down the middle from the weight in wind storms, some pest especially mites loved strains like the blueberry I put out and many of those indoor strains never came close to finishing by the time weather got too shitty in Northern Illinois.

For cash cropping I'd always recommend climatized outdoor strains, but then again I always did guerrilla grows when I did outdoor. If it was legal and in my back yard I'd feel more comfortable with indoor strains outside.

rollinfunk said:

That mom list looks wicked. What are you favs indica doms? So ? - Do you have to worry about the pumps on the ground if there is a flood from your pots? is electrical on the ground? I'm just curious as a noob. thanks

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I have drains in my concrete floor all the water goes to the drain. the drains go to the yard

thenotsoesoteric said:

I've grown many indoor strains outdoors and again the outdoor bred strains always out performed the indoor strains in terms of amount of harvestable product. Aka cash cropping which is what the op was asking about.

The outdoor strains molded less, had almost no broken branches and was comparable in terms of product. With indoor strains I've had whole plants mold up, plants split down the middle from the weight in wind storms, some pest especially mites loved strains like the blueberry I put out and many of those indoor strains never came close to finishing by the time weather got too shitty in Northern Illinois.

For cash cropping I'd always recommend climatized outdoor strains, but then again I always did guerrilla grows when I did outdoor. If it was legal and in my back yard I'd feel more comfortable with indoor strains outside.

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Outside I have never experienced mites just worms, root aphids and termites

Greenthumbskunk said:

Outside I have never experienced mites just worms, root aphids and termites

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Only the blueberry had issues with mites outdoors. Mites found those plants quite readily.

For whatever reason mites loved that blueberry cut. My buddy that I gave cuts of it to ended up getting mites from bringing in Home Depot plants around his weed plants and those mites completely engulfed those blueberries. Meanwhile the skunk #1 right next to the BB was almost untouched by the mites.

thenotsoesoteric said:

Only the blueberry had issues with mites outdoors. Mites found those plants quite readily.

For whatever reason mites loved that blueberry cut. My buddy that I gave cuts of it to ended up getting mites from bringing in Home Depot plants around his weed plants and those mites completely engulfed those blueberries. Meanwhile the skunk #1 right next to the BB was almost untouched by the mites.

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a few years back I ran REM which is Blue dream from sin city, and mites completely engulfed and encapsulated it with like a cacoon of webbing. they ditched the other plants and jumped on to the REm. ended up starting over after that run.

mites must like blueberries.

Velvet Elvis said:

a few years back I ran REM which is Blue dream from sin city, and mites completely engulfed and encapsulated it with like a cacoon of webbing. they ditched the other plants and jumped on to the REm. ended up starting over after that run.

mites must like blueberries.

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Oh yeah, that is what happened. The mites have good taste.

Mac1 starting to reverse.

do you plan to use the mac as a donor primarily or also as a seed mother? ik everyone says it yields poorly in terms of seeds.

Goats22 said:

do you plan to use the mac as a donor primarily or also as a seed mother? ik everyone says it yields poorly in terms of seeds.

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As the donor. I feel like donor pollen may be better as it doent require as much pollen to pollinate a nice mom. I'm also doing mac moms as the recieving plants.

thenotsoesoteric said:

Only the blueberry had issues with mites outdoors. Mites found those plants quite readily.

For whatever reason mites loved that blueberry cut. My buddy that I gave cuts of it to ended up getting mites from bringing in Home Depot plants around his weed plants and those mites completely engulfed those blueberries. Meanwhile the skunk #1 right next to the BB was almost untouched by the mites.

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Do u live in an arid environment?

thenotsoesoteric said:

Only the blueberry had issues with mites outdoors. Mites found those plants quite readily.

For whatever reason mites loved that blueberry cut. My buddy that I gave cuts of it to ended up getting mites from bringing in Home Depot plants around his weed plants and those mites completely engulfed those blueberries. Meanwhile the skunk #1 right next to the BB was almost untouched by the mites.

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I can empathize with your buddy who got mites off plants from home depot. Usually I grow my veggies from seed but this year I procrastinated too long and had to get bonnie plants. I usually get 3 harvests of basil a year. One in June, August and the last in October.

I noticed a couple bite marks on some basil in June this summer so went to another location. No bite marks or eggs on the stuff there, so I thought it was gonna be good to go.

2 weeks later the plants I got are covered in mites. Chop em down, no biggie. A week later a whole row of my cherry tomato plants are getting mites. Really could have fucked up my whole garden if my rows were a bit closer together.

Basically mites don't give a fuck about whether they're indoors or outdoors. If they find a single plant that they like they're gonna fuck you hard.

Avoid using plants from places like home depot if you're growing at home, especially basil - they're mite magnets.

Yields here..... in any outdoor situation.....depend more on how much veg time you offer the plant indoors >before< sitting the plants outside than they do on whether the plant is bred for indoor or outdoor cultivation. We just don't have the season for extended vegatative growth outside no matter what type of plant it is.

But yeah....no focus here in cash cropping and no sales. In the end.....if we were to think that the indoor plants don't yield like the outdoor plants we just plant more plants.

It's all good!