Heat stress ?

newbefactor

Active Member
Had a random heat wave over and i think it's caused massive heat stress to my plant. It pushed the temps up to over 100 fahrenheit. Managed to get it down to about 89 now. Got two fans in there already on the high setting and i leave the door open to let the hot air out.
It's about 8 weeks into flowering and my nug were nice and ready to fatten and now it looks like they've shrunk :(
I've included pics of her, in her sorry state. What do you guys think i should do with her ?
P.s i only grow one plant at a time, so i don't really wanna chop her down as she's not ripe yet.

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asaph

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no, don't chop her now, she's got a few more weeks. though once she's pretty much ready, there won't be any reason to wait longer for her.

so she's kinda screwed, and may have not really had the potential to be really something, afraid to tell you. she took the heat pretty badly, looks like it lasted for quite a while. other than that, she also shows some K deficiency, probably caused by nutrient lock, and i'm not sure what light you are using above the plant, but CFL's in such a distance are not much better than a match to light your plant. If you have a big light above, then for the next time you should design your plant (by training it) to better use the light on a surface, not just a pole. With just a 250w HPS you can get some good ounces of super dank weed. You also need better genetics for that, like seeds bought from a shop. And proper ventilation that pulls air outside your box. You can grow with CFLs, but you need to use them more wisely, read about it.

I imagine this is your first grow. As you can see, to grow cannabis properly, you need to meet virtually all of its demands and this takes a lot of money, creative work and time to get. More than anything, if you don't have a card (in which case marijuana may be necessary for your health condition), growing is dangerous, in terms of the law. To me this means that if I take the risk of growing, then I'd better be growing some fat ass buds of some prime dank weed, otherwise why bother? may as well just quit the whole thing and not smoke the polluted petroleum smelling hash they sell in my country. weed would be even more costly to buy than to grow.

So make your choices - do it right, or why do it at all?
 

newbefactor

Active Member
I hate to say it but this isn't my first grow, I've tried a few times before and failed, every time it's discouraging to try again maybe it's just not for me :( but you say K deficiency i gave her some bloom ferts yeterday in Ph balanced water. The heat thing has been going on nearly all week and I've been trying to battle it. The weather is meant to get colder in a few days time so hopefully that will be the end to my heat problems. Also what do you mean about using cfl's more wisely ? I've heard the best way to use cfl is to get them close as possible to the plant otherwise it loses lumens (and when i mean as close as possible there about an inch away from leafs etc so they don't burn) I did lst her but she just went vertical again. Also i can't really get seeds from shops i have to get it from website but the package doesn't have to go over sea's just national mail. And she's a violater kush - i thought kush plants had pretty good genetics
 

Fishy:)

Member
I had plants looking just like this, a little heat damage yes but the buds turned out just as great as the normal plants so i dont see what the big deal is lol.. Cannabis can take some damage and u will still get ur smoke
 

asaph

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believe me, I know what you are taking about. It took me quite a long time to study and improve as well. No, this does not mean you should quit - that is not the american spirit I know :)

I think what you are lacking is mostly theoretical knowledge - i.e more reading. I will even say what I don't usually say and refer you to grow guides - as simplistic, way too general yet way too specific as they may be. You may have already watched read a few - but (and i'm totally not saying this to diss you) - it looks like you weren't really paying attention in class :P you're lacking the basic knowledge of how plants work and what it takes to make them work artificially as we try to make them.

for example - a very basic thing (one must admit, not many growers are aware of) - is that, assuming you don't feed your plants with straight minerals but use a nutrient formula like everyone else, then giving more food to a hungry plant only makes things worse. A hungry plant is hungry not because the soil lacks food, but rather because there are chemical conditions in the soil that prevent it from eating the food. Either the formula is inappropriate (not well balanced for the plants needs), or what's more common - pH is off / too much nutrients / salt accumulation from too much nutrients over a long period. It sounds complicated but there are simple steps to counter this in 90% of the cases - flush well, start feeding better, allowing runoff, if needed changing soil and better of all - switching to coco.

As for other issues like ventilation, light etc., all I can tell you is you should learn some more (and implement) the necessities, this is a simpler matter, all you have to do is keep those temps below 30 anyway you can. extraction to outside is important, as well as intake sometimes. If using an HID, a cooltube (100$ for new) will do the trick.

And yes your genetics is excellent, it's probably just a bad seed in a batch or something, this happens with most bought seeds, bad luck, but getting more expensive seeds is said to reduce this risk (I can't say from my experience yet). One thing's for sure - when growing only one plant, you wanna do the best you can to ensure it's got good genetics. This one for instance, despite all it's been through, I don't think putting on so little resin is only due to the stress - I think it's bad genetics that contributed. I've seen this happening. just a phenotype.

I can't give you advice about the light unless you tell me what and how many lights you're using :) but in general - CFLs are good for compact plants only. Bushy indicas is best (kush is supposed to be ind., but this one is very sativa-like with its stature). In any case, proper training (as well as short vegging time, preferable 12/12 from seed/clone) is required to keep the plant as compact as possible, then you want to place those CFLs really an inch or two surrounding the plant so it upper parts at least get similar levels of light (more light more bud naturally). With HID's and LED's training is also required (in general, the shape of your plant is only good for outdoor plants. no indoor grower should let a plant grow like this), but allows for more freedom and much more plant size. Height is still bad, in any case.

You WILL get a nice smoke and some 15-20 grams off this lady, but it won't be anywhere near as good as 20g of properly grown weed, and it will deplete much faster (less resin on buds = more bud in the joint).
 

newbefactor

Active Member
Okay some details about my grow area, it's in a closet and i have one large 150w cfl (i have both blue and red spectrum bulbs) and two smaller blue spectrum bulbs which as you can see i tried to place near the bottom and middle of the plant. The closet is covered in mylar and the only place light could get in would be around the doors etc which is all covered up. I'm using miracle grow soil mixed with perlite (i know some people had MG but i tried to switch soil once and the plant died within a week) although now i have found a hydroponic shop down the road from me so if i do decided to do another plant i might get some light mix. Plant food wise i haven't been giving her a lot of food as the soil was already treated with MG plant food but it didn't have any time release capsules in it, as i made that mistake before. I only gave her some bio bizz grow during veg state when she showed N deficiency, and gave her some bio bizz alg-a-mic once or twice throughout the grow, given her some molasses once a few weeks back and over the last 3 weeks given her some bloom nutes twice (i stick to bio bizz as it's all organic) and i vegged her for a month due to space issues. When i give her normal water it's just tap water but i let it sit for 1/2 days and the normal ph is about 7 but i try to ph balance the water when i can.
 

BTG1028

Member
No way should you cut it down, she'll still make it. Just cut off the badly burnt foliage so that the plant doesn't use energy trying to repair them. You could move those side CFL's a little closer and I would probably get 2 or 3 more little CFL's and surround the plant. Also I like to boil my water, since I get mine from the tap too and let it sit out like you. But besides that it looks good, keep it up. You learn as you go, some have better luck than others but you can't let it get you down. Just find a way that works for you!

Can't wait to see the harvest!
 

bonjo78

Active Member
get a fan close to the opened door facing the plant and blowing air from outdoors straight on the pot and plant , sometimes two fans can create a wind screen traping the heat inside and not letting cold air mix in the room , check ur air current with a lighter , on the bottom the fire should be leaning inside the room and on the top of the door the air should be forcing the flame outside of the room , water spray a couple of times per day may help a bit too , most of the times its the dry heated air that makes plants go bad and not always the heat , plz check ur pot's temperature with ur palm , if u can feel it warmer than ur bodies temp then u gotta do what i recoment , blow the pot and plant from above , the roots are more sensitive than the visible part of the plant , outdoors where natural mj grows occur the soil is always between 15-20c and this acts as a natural a/c , the dry air prevents the temp circulation between roots and leaves

try to lighten up the leaf mass and especially the lower/inner parts where cf light doesnt penetrate

what it seems tho is that uve been using high "n" ferts where u should lower the n content in favor of p and k
 

a mongo frog

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get a fan close to the opened door facing the plant and blowing air from outdoors straight on the pot and plant , sometimes two fans can create a wind screen traping the heat inside and not letting cold air mix in the room , check ur air current with a lighter , on the bottom the fire should be leaning inside the room and on the top of the door the air should be forcing the flame outside of the room , water spray a couple of times per day may help a bit too , most of the times its the dry heated air that makes plants go bad and not always the heat , plz check ur pot's temperature with ur palm , if u can feel it warmer than ur bodies temp then u gotta do what i recoment , blow the pot and plant from above , the roots are more sensitive than the visible part of the plant , outdoors where natural mj grows occur the soil is always between 15-20c and this acts as a natural a/c , the dry air prevents the temp circulation between roots and leaves

try to lighten up the leaf mass and especially the lower/inner parts where cf light doesnt penetrate

what it seems tho is that uve been using high "n" ferts where u should lower the n content in favor of p and k
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nick17gar

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youll get more than a gram off of it man, for sure

try getting a bucket of water, and placing a fan behind it, or a pan of water or something, that way the fan will be blowing cool, humid air towards the plant.

and yea looks a lil short on some nutes, N mainly
otherwise, looks good
 

newbefactor

Active Member
So i moved the fans so they blowing the hot air out of the closet the weather is meant to cool down tomorrow tho so hopefully it'll be the end of the heat problem. I gave her some flowering nutes at weekend but at 1/4 strength bottle says 4/5ml per litre so i gave it 1ml per litre. Some of the leafs have rusty brown spots on them isn't that from not enough food ? how should i go about feeding her like once a week or once a fortnight. When i gave her flowering nutes i ph'd the water down to 6.0
 
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