Health Canada is unlikely to allow outdoor marijuana cultivation, GMP says

gb123

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A new Health Canada document seems to open the door to the outdoor cultivation of marijuana, but GMP Securities analyst Martin Landry thinks the chances of that happening are low.

Earlier this week, Health Canada released a report called “Consultation on the Proposed Approach to the Regulation of Cannabis” that is intended to solicit public feedback ahead of the Canadian government bringing the proposed Cannabis Act into force no later than July 2018. Canada is expected to become the first G20 nation to legalize access to cannabis for recreational purposes.

“The proposed Cannabis Act would create a strict national framework for controlling the production, distribution, sale and possession of cannabis in Canada,” the document begins. “As part of this framework, Health Canada would be responsible for regulating production and setting standards for health and safety. The provinces and territories would oversee the distribution and sale of cannabis, subject to minimum federal conditions”.

Landry, in a research report Wednesday, said some of the proposals outlined in the paper were expected, such as plain packaging that limits the use of colours and fonts, and relaxed security requirements that implies cannabis will no longer be required to be stored in a high security vault.

But the analyst says the biggest surprise was the includion of proposed regulations around outdoor cultivation, a development he says could ultimately pressure prices because the capital expenditure requirements around growing outside are much lower. That said, the regards the chances of outdoor cultivation making it to the final cut as low.
“The proposed regulations contain some changes which could have a drastic impact on the industry such as outdoor growing and CBD extracts from hemp,” the analyst explains. “However, the potential for outdoor growing to make it into the final document is low, in our view, given the difficulties and feasibility of implementing the current rules (security and quality) to outdoor growing. However, relaxed regulations on hemp farming could have a significant impact on prices of CBD extracts, a potential negative for all Canadian LPs.”

Landry says outdoor growing becoming approved is unlikely for three major reasons. First, he says securing outdoor sites could be challenging. Second, meeting the current stringent quality requirement under the Access to Cannabis for Medical Purposes Regulations act would be difficult, and lastly, there are huge potential hurdles with municipalities.

On the off chance that outdoor cultivation is allowed, Landry says existing LPs would still have a product quality advantage.

“Cultivating cannabis outdoors in Canada typically generates a lower quality dried flower product as compared to indoor production,” he notes. “This is due to the inability in an outdoor grow to effectively control the environment, one of the most important determinants of product quality. Hence in a scenario where outdoor production increases dried flower supplies, we believe resulting pricing pressure would likely be concentrated at the low-end of the dried flower product quality spectrum.”
 

Farmer.J

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“Cultivating cannabis outdoors in Canada typically generates a lower quality dried flower product as compared to indoor production,” he notes. “This is due to the inability in an outdoor grow to effectively control the environment, one of the most important determinants of product quality. Hence in a scenario where outdoor production increases dried flower supplies, we believe resulting pricing pressure would likely be concentrated at the low-end of the dried flower product quality spectrum.”
That's his opinion. If LPs can grow in green houses, my opinion is anyone else should be allowed to as well.
 

ANC

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Only 34% of the popo are under 40, guess, it would help to learn how to run a bit.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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Indoor grows are already a given. Outdoor grows will be allowed as well. They couldn't stop it in a 100 years of prohibition and they think they are going to have a different result once it's legal? It will no longer be a criminal charge, so if they ban outdoor grows in your backyard, people will grow on public land. They are going to have to go after the dangerous plants first, if safety of kids is the argument. A kid eating a Poinsettia leaf can be fatal. Where are the indoor poinsettia growers? I would hazard a guess that at least one of these plants is currently decorating the home of some of the reefer-madness idiots.
 

greg nr

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I'm sure they can get creative and eliminate indoor as well. No more than one 300w (led only) light for example, automatic sprinkler systems, exclusive 10x10 space with locking doors and a safe to store dry flower, online webcams of the grow space, have to go to class and get a homegrow license, etc, etc. Plus special insurance and decals for your house.

They have vivid imaginations.

Yeah, you can try to pull the they can't come in card and everyone will be doing it card, but that's what they want. Once they have evidence the system can't work, they will shut it down entirely and people will lose homes, liberty, and wealth.

It's what they do. The only way to change it is to change the "they'.
 

gb123

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I'm sure they can get creative and eliminate indoor as well. No more than one 300w (led only) light for example, automatic sprinkler systems, exclusive 10x10 space with locking doors and a safe to store dry flower, online webcams of the grow space, have to go to class and get a homegrow license, etc, etc. Plus special insurance and decals for your house.

They have vivid imaginations.

Yeah, you can try to pull the they can't come in card and everyone will be doing it card, but that's what they want. Once they have evidence the system can't work, they will shut it down entirely and people will lose homes, liberty, and wealth.

It's what they do. The only way to change it is to change the "they'.
they couldn't before..what's gonna change? in a legal system ;)
 

VIANARCHRIS

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I'm sure they can get creative and eliminate indoor as well. No more than one 300w (led only) light for example, automatic sprinkler systems, exclusive 10x10 space with locking doors and a safe to store dry flower, online webcams of the grow space, have to go to class and get a homegrow license, etc, etc. Plus special insurance and decals for your house.

They have vivid imaginations.

Yeah, you can try to pull the they can't come in card and everyone will be doing it card, but that's what they want. Once they have evidence the system can't work, they will shut it down entirely and people will lose homes, liberty, and wealth.

It's what they do. The only way to change it is to change the "they'.
They could get creative and take your kids and put them in residential schools too....but they won't. Personal grows are part of the framework and nobody is trying to change that. We just went through that fight (MMAR) and won. In fact we embarrassed the so-called government experts by ripping apart their claims of danger with indoor grows. If the plant's legal,.... using a light bulb remains legal, mot much they can do.
"they will shut it down entirely and people will lose homes, liberty, and wealth." That's almost as bizarre as the Fantino comment comparing legal cannabis to legal murder. Cannabis cultivation is removed from the criminal code - you can grow 10,000 plants in your house, and as long as you don't sell any or give it to minors, you get a fine. Nobody is losing their house.
 

greg nr

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They could get creative and take your kids and put them in residential schools too....but they won't. Personal grows are part of the framework and nobody is trying to change that. We just went through that fight (MMAR) and won. In fact we embarrassed the so-called government experts by ripping apart their claims of danger with indoor grows. If the plant's legal,.... using a light bulb remains legal, mot much they can do.
"they will shut it down entirely and people will lose homes, liberty, and wealth." That's almost as bizarre as the Fantino comment comparing legal cannabis to legal murder. Cannabis cultivation is removed from the criminal code - you can grow 10,000 plants in your house, and as long as you don't sell any or give it to minors, you get a fine. Nobody is losing their house.
Well, we aren't that different from a legislative process pov. In the us, people have lost homes over a single joint. Sure, it's an extreme example, but one which the wrong legislation and regulation can permit.

I don't buy the whole notion of too many people do it, so they can't stop it. They can screw one household at a time, and that is bad enough. Fish swin in schools under the same theory - they can't eat us all, but entire schools can be wiped out.

For legalization to work for all, there has to be deregulation. But they aren't deregulating. They are adding more and more regs, and they will eventually cost more and more people their freedoms.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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Well, we aren't that different from a legislative process pov. In the us, people have lost homes over a single joint. Sure, it's an extreme example, but one which the wrong legislation and regulation can permit.

I don't buy the whole notion of too many people do it, so they can't stop it. They can screw one household at a time, and that is bad enough. Fish swin in schools under the same theory - they can't eat us all, but entire schools can be wiped out.

For legalization to work for all, there has to be deregulation. But they aren't deregulating. They are adding more and more regs, and they will eventually cost more and more people their freedoms.
If too many people do what? Maybe my morning wake & bake was a little stronger than I thought,lol, but I don't know what you are worried about. Growing will be legal - they've already clearly said that. There are 100,000 or more patients growing legally right now. Cultivation is legal. Possession is legal. 'Sharing' between friends is legal. The only crimes will be supplying minors or commercial sales without a license. Even the impaired driving laws will fail imo.
I have seen this same sort of paranoia and fear-mongering on here ahead of every cannabis related announcement. All of it has proven to be unfounded. Unless you are using your house to grow for organized crime or are supplying high school kids, your house is safe.
"For legalization to work for all, there has to be deregulation. But they aren't deregulating. They are adding more and more regs,"
Not so. Many, many products are regulated in Canada and remain perfectly legal. Alcohol is a big one. There are thousands of regulations controlling the production,sale and use of alcohol and I haven't heard anyone refer to it as being illegal. Driving a car, owning a gun, clearing land next to a stream.....all tightly regulated.
What we end up with on July 1 won't be perfect and changes will happen for years to come, but legalization does not equate to government taking your house.
 

greg nr

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If too many people do what? Maybe my morning wake & bake was a little stronger than I thought,lol, but I don't know what you are worried about. Growing will be legal - they've already clearly said that. There are 100,000 or more patients growing legally right now. Cultivation is legal. Possession is legal. 'Sharing' between friends is legal. The only crimes will be supplying minors or commercial sales without a license. Even the impaired driving laws will fail imo.
I have seen this same sort of paranoia and fear-mongering on here ahead of every cannabis related announcement. All of it has proven to be unfounded. Unless you are using your house to grow for organized crime or are supplying high school kids, your house is safe.
"For legalization to work for all, there has to be deregulation. But they aren't deregulating. They are adding more and more regs,"
Not so. Many, many products are regulated in Canada and remain perfectly legal. Alcohol is a big one. There are thousands of regulations controlling the production,sale and use of alcohol and I haven't heard anyone refer to it as being illegal. Driving a car, owning a gun, clearing land next to a stream.....all tightly regulated.
What we end up with on July 1 won't be perfect and changes will happen for years to come, but legalization does not equate to government taking your house.
Well, if you put a still in your house and sold moonshine in mason jars from your front door, what would happen? Legal product right. Just regulated.

I know you keep coming back to medical, but it's recreational that is going legal, and that doesn't have all the court protection that medical does.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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Well, if you put a still in your house and sold moonshine in mason jars from your front door, what would happen? Legal product right. Just regulated.

I know you keep coming back to medical, but it's recreational that is going legal, and that doesn't have all the court protection that medical does.
Exactly what I'm saying. If you want to make moonshine and sell it in mason jars, you need to follow the regulations. Someone's making the booze lining liquor store shelves. Same as cannabis. If you want to grow and sell to the public, you need to play by the rules. Just like you can't make and sell booze without a license, so it goes for weed.
 

TheRealDman

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This has absolutely nothing to do with Rec grows. HC may wanna regulate MJ businesses, but they certainly have no say on how John Q. Public grows. The Feds have said everyone can grow, Hellth Canaduh cannot undo what the boss says. However, municipalities and insurance companies may enact bylaws/policies that prevent growing...indoors or outdoors.
 
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