808newb
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Well that little birdie just flew over the cookoo nest again medium size triple tail...I hear it coming back here 20 min later...
Hawaii Growers
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spacepretzel
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My plants are only about 8 to 10 inches tall and this morning I noticed that they are showing signs of flowering. A calyx with two little white hairs. It's just tiny but Im worried they are starting to flower and wont veg anymore is this normal for this area?
kaloconnection
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If you haven't provided supplemental lighting, yes. Plants usually need more than 14 light to stay in veg, Hawaii never gets more than 13.5 at the solstice
spacepretzel
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Ok thanks I didn't provide supplemental lighting so will they just continue flowering until they are done 60 days or will they still grow a bit? should I change to my tiger bloom ferts now or keep the grow big going. I was under the impression that they would keep in veg without lights until around June
mmjmon
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Sounds like it is just showing pre-flowers.
spacepretzel
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So they will keep vegging?
Vnsmkr
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FYI. This concerning seasons there (and here)
mmjmon
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The two hairs are telling you the plant is a female (most likely) and is mature enough to flower if you don't supplement with a light as kalo brought up.
Every grow is a new experience... usually a learning experience.
mmjmon
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Thanks for the pdf. Where did you find this?
Vnsmkr
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Convo was having with rikdabrick....I made it
mmjmon
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Well thanks for sharing it. I don't think I fully understood seasons....here.
I was sort of wishing there were other topics as it was straight forward and pretty clear.
rikdabrick
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Is that the Kaya Gold you're talking about? It might start flowering, but like @mmjmon said it could only be preflowers which happen after a plant get to be around a couple months old usually. If you can put up a decent pic we can tell you.
I just looked up the genetics of Kaya Gold and I wouldn't be surprised if it does start flowering being it's a mostly indica strain. I thought Kaya Gold was a mostly sativa dominant hybrid, but I was wrong. Because of our daylight hours most hybrids and all indica dominant strains (maybe an exception somewhere?) are going to think winter is right around the corner here all year long so they'll start flowering. For the most part, you won't get very big plants here without supplemental lighting unless they're bred for the tropical outdoors. A bunch of the oldschool Hawaii varieties got huge because they were from other tropical varieties and were grown straight outdoors here and continued to be bred here so they were used to the daylight hours and knew the difference between the light hours of the different seasons and also had a helping hand with some people who obviously knew what to look for in breeding.
I just went and checked out one of my neighbor's plants yesterday. He grows everything from seed and they ranged from a little over a foot tall to about 3 ft. tall. He's probably got about 30 plants and they're a bunch of different varieties and it was a good example of seeing how genetics affect growth here. He only had a few that hadn't started flowering and they were the tallest and all but one of them had a big open sativa looking structure. Most of the smaller ones were flowering so they're probably more indica dominant; they also had a tighter structure to them which is another good indicator of indica genetics generally.
I think I might have mentioned it before, but in case I didn't, you guys should be taking a good look at any flowering plants at this time of year. The chance of hermies go up during this time of year for flowering plants because they'll continue to flower since there's not enough light hours to keep them vegging, but the days are getting longer so it's pretty unnatural to them. They'll start throwing bananas sometimes because of it; so be checking just in case, unless you want some seeds, then you might just get lucky.
I just threw two Dream Beavers (Bodhi Seeds), three Blue Dreams and one Hazmat OG x Kirkwood OG outside yesterday. The Blue Dream was a hit last time so I'll proabaly be running that quite a bit. It came out really lovely. The other two strains I haven't grown, but all the genetics have gotten really good reviews so I'm excited to see how they turn out. The Dream Beavers have been pretty tough so far and I appreciate that.
I'll throw some pics up later. I gots some yard work to do before the sun goes down.
rikdabrick
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You can thank @Vnsmkr for making that into a pdf. It would just get lost in the archives of this thread if it wasn't for him.
Just remember that it's a guide. There's not really a cut and dry calendar for genetics here, just a guide and trail and error. Though somethings are pretty cerain, like indicas flowring anytime of year. The grey area is whether a plant will stay vegging at a certain percentage of sativa genetics. Will a 60% sativa strain stay vegging? or a 75% sativa strain? 80%? And when is the right time to plant those seeds to keep them vegging? That stuff is all trial and error though you have a guide. The more indica genes in a strain, the later I'd wait to plant a seed if I wanted it to stay vegging a bit. If I know it's something like 60% sativa I'd probably want to wait until around June 1st. A 75% sativa strain; early to mid-May. A 100% sativa strain; early to mid April. That's all if you're not using lights and results may vary still depending which how dominant the indica genetics come through.
And just FYI, all of that info is only if you want to get the biggest full season plants you can get here which is not what everybody wants. Do (the proverbial) you want 10+lb. plants? Then you have to grow some big yielding pure or nearly pure sativas. The trade off is they wont's be ready until December or January. That's just too long for a lot of people to go without meds. Plus it's just a long time to take care of a plant. Fortunately a lot of tropical sativas are generally hardy and not prone to pest and disease, but you could still end up growing a plant for six months and have a single bore beetle take it out. So it's not for everybody. I'd love to be growing pure to nearly pure sativas again, but it's just not feasible at this time. If I ever get to have a cannabis farm here, I'll specialize in tropical strains though. I'm just rambling. Yard work now,
spacepretzel
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Thanks Vnsmkr I really appreciate the PDF I should have got a sativa strain we'll see what happens thanks again
spacepretzel
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Thanks Rikdabrick for looking into the kaya gold strain I will post a pick tomorrow its not full on flowering yet but they're female for sure but the seeds were feminized as well I'm from Oregon so this is a bit different growing from what I'm used to thanks again manYou can thank @Vnsmkr for making that into a pdf. It would just get lost in the archives of this thread if it wasn't for him.
Just remember that it's a guide. There's not really a cut and dry calendar for genetics here, just a guide and trail and error. Though somethings are pretty cerain, like indicas flowring anytime of year. The grey area is whether a plant will stay vegging at a certain percentage of sativa genetics. Will a 60% sativa strain stay vegging? or a 75% sativa strain? 80%? And when is the right time to plant those seeds to keep them vegging? That stuff is all trial and error though you have a guide. The more indica genes in a strain, the later I'd wait to plant a seed if I wanted it to stay vegging a bit. If I know it's something like 60% sativa I'd probably want to wait until around June 1st. A 75% sativa strain; early to mid-May. A 100% sativa strain; early to mid April. That's all if you're not using lights and results may vary still depending which how dominant the indica genetics come through.
And just FYI, all of that info is only if you want to get the biggest full season plants you can get here which is not what everybody wants. Do (the proverbial) you want 10+lb. plants? Then you have to grow some big yielding pure or nearly pure sativas. The trade off is they wont's be ready until December or January. That's just too long for a lot of people to go without meds. Plus it's just a long time to take care of a plant. Fortunately a lot of tropical sativas are generally hardy and not prone to pest and disease, but you could still end up growing a plant for six months and have a single bore beetle take it out. So it's not for everybody. I'd love to be growing pure to nearly pure sativas again, but it's just not feasible at this time. If I ever get to have a cannabis farm here, I'll specialize in tropical strains though. I'm just rambling. Yard work now,
808newb
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I had two dinafem deep cheese that were about 6" tall about a month ago and I gave one to my neighbor. I went over the other day and he showed me...it was flowering and about 12" tall and I just flipped mine yesterday and it's 4-1/2 ft. You don't need much light. I just use a cheap $14 T12 shop light. Haven't had any issues since. I stopped moving the sour blackberry diesels under that light at nites now because it's just too bulky and heavy...and I haven't seen any pistils yet...but the biggest one grew at least six inches in the past 2 days so maybe she getting ready because of the stretch. Either way she may be too big for me to get her thru the door of the dark room haha
rikdabrick
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Just to let you know, I have a bias toward sativa strains, but it's for several reasons.
1. They grow better here than indicas. Sativas [or narrow-leaf drug type indicas (NLD) for the guys with OCD] are from the tropical regions of the world. Indicas [or wide-leaf drug types (WLD), again for the OCD guys] are from the temperate zones. So naturally, sativas will do better here.
2. Indicas have one effect; they get you stoned. Sativas have a wide range of effects. Sativas from different parts of the world have different effects. Do you want happy, laughy, trippy, speedy, electric, spacey, scary and even stoney? You just have to find the right sativa. It's all there.
3. My dad grew when I was growing up, but I didn't start growing cannabis until I moved to Hawaii when I was 19 and I've never lived in an area of the islands that was dry enough to be able to grow indicas without mold being a problem so I kind of have to be biased whether I like it or not.
4. Sativas generally yield better here IMO. This is general and not always the case, but true most of the time IME. The trade off is longer flowering times. If yield isn't a priority then this doesn't matter.
If you really like indica strains then try to find one that's been bred locally. They exist, you just have to find them. Locally bred indicas will be much more accustomed to our daylight hours and should be more mold resistant than anything you could buy from a seedbank. If you're on the Big Island ask around if you have any friends that grow; somebody probably has something. I knew tons of guys that grew there when I lived in upper Puna and I knew a couple that were growing locally bred indica dominant strains. Otherwise you can start making your own seeds and growing out the next generation every time. It would be wise to learn about breeding some, but your seed plants will become more accustomed to your climate with each generation. If you plan on making seeds you can ask here or PM me.
And like @808newb said, they don't take much light to keep them vegging if you want to go that route. Here's some solar powered ones I posted awhile back and somebody said they were working for them. It turns on at sunset automatically.
http://www.amazon.com/Maxsa-40330-Solar-Powered-Hour-Floodlight/dp/B00432S99U/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1462613906&sr=8-16&keywords=solar+spot+light
808newb
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Only because I hate putting all the time and effort for some small plants, unless they are just my seed makers
I am chopping one of my DDA crosses and a Colombian gold tomorrow and are both over 4 ft started from seed mid Feb in just dirt (soil) lol
rikdabrick
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What's the DDA cross? And let us know how the Colombian Gold is. I picked up a pack of Bodhi's China Yunnan strain mostly for the pack of vintage Acapulco Gold. If I can stay ahead of the game I might be able to throw a couple of each out for the end of long season.Only because I hate putting all the time and effort for some small plants, unless they are just my seed makers
I am chopping one of my DDA crosses and a Colombian gold tomorrow and are both over 4 ft started from seed mid Feb in just dirt (soil) lol
Here's some of the last of my long-short season plants. Long season is in full swing now and the plants are exploding.
I had some crazy foxtails on my Harlequin BX. It came out nice though.
Here's some Kali Mist that went 13 or 14 weeks. I always try to push Kali Mist 14 weeks if can. It's a big difference even from 12 weeks.
I cut this Skywalker OG x Pipeline somewhat recently. The stink on it is really strong and almost nauseating. Straight lemon, diesel, hemp seed smell.
I don't know what this is, but it's bud porn anyway, ha ha.
A Jamaican x Goji OG. It's still kicking along and has a lovely sweet/tart fruity/berry yogurt smell to it.
@Vnsmkr Do you guys have Brahminy blind snakes in your neck of the woods? These are the only kind of snake we have here and I read they're in Asia. They make good little garden buddies, ha ha.
