Have You Seen Any Weird Shit?

FrostyTHEgrowmaN

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this is not true. There is plenty of evidence (and common sense) that tells us this is just another - in a long list - of bigfoot hoaxes ... just a few items as food for thought...

1) Bob Hieronimus, a close associate of Patterson and Gimlin, claimed to be the guy in the suit. Multiple friends and relatives not only back up his story, and claim they were aware of it in 1967, but also claim to have seen the suit in his trunk before Patterson and Gimlin reclaimed it. Add to this a confession by a known maker of gorilla suits that claimed to have sold Patterson a suit, which he was fully capable of modifying. I mean, what are the odds that the best footage we have to date was shot by a guy who was purposefully out to film Bigfoot, with a rented camera, at a time when having and renting cameras was not commonplace. Smells fishy to me.

2) Despite the claims, many independent experts have stated that the footage seems to depict a person of human height and girth, with a human center of balance, walking with a gait (albeit forced) within human means.

3) The breasts (glad you mentioned them) probably molded on so as to explain why this Bigfoot wasn't 8 feet tall (being a smaller female), were covered with fur - an anomaly in the primate world. The fur also seems to be of uniform length all over the creature, further indication of a costume. Add to that the immobile fur diaper, and you got...monkey suit!

4) Failure of Patterson and crew to pursue the creature after the 60 seconds of footage, even when the creature was not moving very fast. Footage is jerky and amateurish, even to a ridiculous degree. No attempt to manually zoom into subject and the film is full wide the whole time.

5) Failure of anyone, anywhere to get better footage than this in almost 40 years despite advanced equipment like trip cameras and the almost universal presence of hand held cameras tells me the creature does not exist.

6) Patterson and crew where on horseback clomping through the woods and snuck up on one of the most elusive creatures?!?

7) The footprints taken from the scene don't have any toes!

8 )Patterson and company agreed beforehand not to shoot the bigfoot (a very good idea if your buddy is wearing the costume).

9) Patterson only had 2 minutes of film left? Why -- how many other bigfoots was he filming?

10 ) let's go back to the rented camera - this guy has to be the luckiest in the world - as he rented a film camera (very expensive and unusual 40 years ago) and was fortunate enough to see and film a bigfoot the very first time out!!! Coincidence, luck, or bullshit? you decide.

That's just a few - I'm sure you can come up with more reasons the footage... and bigfoot is baloney.
you may want to look into this again and update your info im going to argue with you
 

FrostyTHEgrowmaN

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Don't bother - i give up .. bigfoot is real just very, very sneaky. OK?
Everything in your post is speculation and supposition. What i was talking about is hard scientific fact. under microscopic digital scrutiny of the original 8mm film the movement of the facial muscles can be clearly seen. The animatronics needed to do that, or even come close, wasn't around until the mid 80's. The computer generated models in which hundreds of peoples walks, strides, gates etc. were analyzed with the footage proves that the movement exhibited in the footage is well outside the scope of human range (thats not debatable) nor is the fact that several private firms and a few major television studios with almost unlimited budgets have tried time and again to recreate the footage unsuccessfully, even with todays technology. see that? thats how its done, no speculation no supposition no page and a half bullet point presentation of declarative statements to perpetuate the omnipresent forum One-ups-manship. Just cold hard scientific fact.
 

fdd2blk

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i saw something weird. it was just after 9/11. all airspace over the US was closed. 0 flights allowed. i went out in my backyard and was having a smoke. i heard a noise. wait a minute ....... that's a plane. big huge white jet. long body and wings. way up high. flew right over my house. in california.
 

hom36rown

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Mustve been some important people on it... how long after airspace was closed did it happen?...it took a while to ground over 6000 planes
 

jaiddragon

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we lived in a house with a roomate...me and rm were out in the garage for a while unpacking when the fiance comes out and asks who was just inside, neither of us had been inside for about an hour but he swore up and down some one had just walked out the garage door right past him....

same house, i always felt watched, when i was watching tv i felt like some one was behind me staring at me, would always spin around and try to see but nothing was ever there, found out later from the caretaker that the old lady that lived there before died there...

had another roomate, older man, has congestive heart failure and diabetes, every time his health would start to fail, the house would seem to be filled with spirits, you could just feel it in the air, and see cloudy shapes sometimes, the lights would turn on and off and i mean just one lamp in the living room not a whole house inturruption....

fuck im freaked out just writing about it...
 

Ethnobotanist

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Don't bother - i give up .. bigfoot is real just very, very sneaky. OK?
He actually lives in the Super 8 by the highway near where the footage was taken. And in actuality, he is a guy named Bob with unusually disproportionate limbs and a bad case of hypertrichosis. Goes barefoot usually, as he finds it difficult to find shoes that fit.

And yes, he's very sneaky. A recluse, even. He was tormented in Junior High for having to shave nine times a day just to keep a reasonable stubble. Sort of traumatized him.

But man, does he grow the best weed ever.

~Ethno
 

Ethnobotanist

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i saw something weird. it was just after 9/11. all airspace over the US was closed. 0 flights allowed. i went out in my backyard and was having a smoke. i heard a noise. wait a minute ....... that's a plane. big huge white jet. long body and wings. way up high. flew right over my house. in california.
Craziness. Seriously.
 

Lacy

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I have seen the weirdest shit happen but if I told you all you wouldn't believe me. Soooooo....I'm gonna pass on this one. :?
 

GuNjAhLoRd

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i seen a ghost which told me to stop tripping out so hard havnt taken them since but not saying ever again i just looooooovvvvveeeee the shrooms
 

email468

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Everything in your post is speculation and supposition. What i was talking about is hard scientific fact. under microscopic digital scrutiny of the original 8mm film the movement of the facial muscles can be clearly seen. The animatronics needed to do that, or even come close, wasn't around until the mid 80's. The computer generated models in which hundreds of peoples walks, strides, gates etc. were analyzed with the footage proves that the movement exhibited in the footage is well outside the scope of human range (thats not debatable) nor is the fact that several private firms and a few major television studios with almost unlimited budgets have tried time and again to recreate the footage unsuccessfully, even with todays technology. see that? thats how its done, no speculation no supposition no page and a half bullet point presentation of declarative statements to perpetuate the omnipresent forum One-ups-manship. Just cold hard scientific fact.
Cold hard scientific fact huh? OK what peer-reviewed scientific journal would I have to read to see this evidence?
 

email468

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To understand how easily we can be fooled, i'll repeat a post here... this is regarding UFOs but insert any supernatural phenomena...

Phil Plait is a professional astronomer working for NASA and runs the badastronomy.com website. This is an excerpt from his book: Bad Astronomy used here without permission:
On February 11, 1997, at approximately 3:00 A.M. local time, I had a close encounter with a UFO. Actually, multiple UFOs.

I was in Florida with my family to attend a Space Shuttle launch. I had been working at Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland for nearly two years, helping to calibrate a new camera that was to be placed on board the Hubble Space Telescope. All of us who had worked on the camera got passes to see the Shuttle launch in Florida, and we were all excited about seeing our camera lofted into space.

The launch was scheduled fro 3:55 A.M. That’s not the best time to appreciate the spectacle and fury of rocket launch, but the vagaries of orbital mechanics demanded such liftoff. My mom volunteered to baby-sit our infant daughter Zoe, so my father, my wife, my nephew, and I made our way to Cape Canaveral around 1:00 A.M. We quickly found out that several thousand other people were also attending. Too excited to nap, my father and I wandered around talking to the other attendees. Many people had telescopes set up to watch the distant shuttle, proudly standing under the intense glare of multiple spotlights. To see it we had to peer across a long stretch of the Banana River that separates the cape from mainland Florida. The cape is surrounded by water, and by wildlife. We actually saw a couple of alligators, which is a weird sight so close to such a technological marvel.

About an hour before the launch, I spotted some unusual lights in the night sky, a dozen or more, to the right of the launch pad from our viewpoint. They were perhaps at the same distance from us as the pad, about 10 kilometers (6 miles), although it was hard to tell. My father pointed out that they were moving, so we kept watching. The movement was very slow, as if they were hovering. I figured it was a group of distant spotting planes, but then I remembered that NASA only uses one or two planes to sweep around the area. No other planes are allowed near the shuttle; it is jealously guarded by NASA for obvious reasons.

My next guess was birds, but these objects were glowing. Baloons? No, they were moving too quickly. No satellites group together like that. My excitement mounted, despite my more rational thoughts. What were they? As I watched, I noticed that they were moving together, but not in a straight line. They weaved slightly. That ruled out satellites and a host of other mechanical objects.

I refused to think of any ridiculous explanations involving anything, well, ridiculous. But what were these things? All I could see through binoculars were glowing dots.

Their flight path was taking them to my right as I continued to watch them through binoculars. Slowly, faintly, I could hear a noise they were making. It was eerie, odd, difficult to place. Then, suddenly, the noise got louder, and the objects in my binoculars resolved themselves. My mind and heart raced. I was seeing….

…. a flock of ducks. As they flew by us they were just a few hundred meters away, and they were unmistakably terrestrial waterfowl. The noise we heard earlier was their quacking, muffled by distance, and their otherworldly glow was just the reflected light of the fleet of spotlights flooding the Shuttle pad. The duck’s weaving flight was obvious now, too. They appeared to be hovering when we first saw them because they were so far away and were heading roughly towards us.
There are two lessons here. First, there is a very great need for humans to believe in extraordinary things. Even levelheaded scientists can briefly contemplate a UFO invasion. Second, everyday objects in unordinary circumstances easily fool us.

These two things sum up UFO (and other seemingly paranormal phenomena) stories. Yes, every one of them.
 

FrostyTHEgrowmaN

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To understand how easily we can be fooled, i'll repeat a post here... this is regarding UFOs but insert any supernatural phenomena...

Phil Plait is a professional astronomer working for NASA and runs the badastronomy.com website. This is an excerpt from his book: Bad Astronomy used here without permission:
There are two lessons here. First, there is a very great need for humans to believe in extraordinary things. Even levelheaded scientists can briefly contemplate a UFO invasion. Second, everyday objects in unordinary circumstances easily fool us.

These two things sum up UFO (and other seemingly paranormal phenomena) stories. Yes, every one of them.
there you go with your declarative statements again. you are obviously the type of person that wants to pretend they are more rational and intelligent then everyone else. heres a little hint if you want people to think YOU actually know what you're talking about try posting something original and quit the google search cut and paste attempt at debating, because you're not fooling anyone.
 

email468

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there you go with your declarative statements again. you are obviously the type of person that wants to pretend they are more rational and intelligent then everyone else. heres a little hint if you want people to think YOU actually know what you're talking about try posting something original and quit the google search cut and paste attempt at debating, because you're not fooling anyone.
How fucking dare you?!?! You talk about all the evidence and when someone says show me you start with the ad hominem.

I had to type that out by hand and i put it in quotes! The thoughts outside the quotes are my own opinions. I do not claim to be more rational and intelligent than anyone else - though I am inclined to think i am more rational than you. Besides, I'm not putting on a fucking show for you or anyone else.

And sorry - i didn't realize you, or those who agree with you, are the only ones who are permitted to use declarative statements. I'll be sure to use more qualifiers next time. yeah right.

are you - a person who believes in the likelihood of an 8 foot monster roaming the countryside - questioning my integrity? why make this personal? why not just present your scientifically acceptable evidence and prove me wrong? oh that's right- you ain't got none.

You'll debate me all day about little snippets of statements here and there but ultimately you can produce no blood, hair, bones, shit, any scientifically acceptable evidence.

Believe whatever you want - but don't tell me there is scientific evidence for bigfoot accepted by the scientific community... at least without proof. A link to peer-reviewed journal would do the trick.
 

fdd2blk

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Mustve been some important people on it... how long after airspace was closed did it happen?...it took a while to ground over 6000 planes
it was the next day at least. i don't remember how long it was all closed but it was during the middle part. well after the sky was clear. :?
 

FrostyTHEgrowmaN

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How fucking dare you?!?! You talk about all the evidence and when someone says show me you start with the ad hominem.

I had to type that out by hand and i put it in quotes! The thoughts outside the quotes are my own opinions. I do not claim to be more rational and intelligent than anyone else - though I am inclined to think i am more rational than you. Besides, I'm not putting on a fucking show for you or anyone else.

And sorry - i didn't realize you, or those who agree with you, are the only ones who are permitted to use declarative statements. I'll be sure to use more qualifiers next time. yeah right.

are you - a person who believes in the likelihood of an 8 foot monster roaming the countryside - questioning my integrity? why make this personal? why not just present your scientifically acceptable evidence and prove me wrong? oh that's right- you ain't got none.

You'll debate me all day about little snippets of statements here and there but ultimately you can produce no blood, hair, bones, shit, any scientifically acceptable evidence.

Believe whatever you want - but don't tell me there is scientific evidence for bigfoot accepted by the scientific community... at least without proof. A link to peer-reviewed journal would do the trick.
geniuses like you didn't "believe" in giant gorillas in the Congo (though they had been being reported by the natives for thousands of years) until they were discovered in the fifties. This creature HAS existed in the past(gigantopithacus), And most scientist agree that it is possible they still do.This creature has been reported around the globe for thousands of years from almost every culture and land. So no, your flying duck theory doesn't hold water (nor is it relevant to the topic imo). And listen my friend you need to dance with the girl you came with. Where is YOUR proof OR YOUR peered reviewed evidence to the contrary. Talk out of your ass all you want guy, I couldn't care less what YOU "believe", I'M only interested in facts. I live in upstate New York and i'm in the woods all the time and i have never seen a bear or a bobcat nor any evidence of them. Bears are huge and they are all over the place up here but i've never seen one so using your logic Id have to conclude they don't exist.
 
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email468

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geniuses like you didn't "believe" in giant gorillas in the Congo (though they had been being reported by the natives for thousands of years) until they were discovered in the fifties. This creature HAS existed in the past(gigantopithacus), And most scientist agree that it is possible they still do.This creature has been reported around the globe for thousands of years from almost every culture and land. So no, your flying duck theory doesn't hold water (nor is it relevant to the topic imo). And listen my friend you need to dance with the girl you came with. Where is YOUR proof OR YOUR peered reviewed evidence to the contrary. Talk out of your ass all you want guy, I couldn't care less what YOU "believe", I'M only interested in facts. I live in upstate New York and i'm in the woods all the time and i have never seen a bear or a bobcat nor any evidence of them. Bears are huge and they are all over the place up here but i've never seen one so using your logic Id have to conclude they don't exist.
Your asking me to "prove" a negative i.e. bigfoot doesn't exist, reveals a deeply flawed understanding regarding how science works. It is akin to asking to prove faeries, unicorns and elves don't exist. Do you think they exist? there have been numerous sightings and many folk stories concerning the wee folk. Dragons have also been reported around the world from nearly every culture and land. They also do not exist.

You are the one making the claim. it is up to you to provide proof. Dinosaurs used to exist too - I don't see any of them running around.

And besides, I never said bigfoot absolutely, positively doesn't exist - i've always said it is unlikely - not impossible. What I am saying is there is no scientifically accepted evidence that bigfoot exists. Can you track down scientists (hell you could probably find quite a few) willing to go on camera and discuss the evidence like it exists? Sure - you can also find scientists that are willing to discuss the possibility of the moon being made of cheese too. That doesn't make it so.

Here is the important thing and what i am arguing for: No respectable scientific journal has published irrefutable evidence of bigfoots existence.

I'm not saying there will never be evidence though I don't think there ever will be. but what I think (or what you think) does not matter when it comes to what really does or does not exist.

my experience spending time in the northeast woods differs greatly from yours. I have seen many black bears and it is trivial to find their spoor and scat.

Keeping an open mind is a great quality and if evidence is presented that qualifies as scientific, I will certainly have a look. And if/when a bigfoot is proven then I'll happily concede and be properly amazed and awed by what would be a most interesting creature. You choose to believe, with flimsy evidence, that it exists which is your prerogative. I, however, will remain skeptical.
 
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FrostyTHEgrowmaN

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this is not true. There is plenty of evidence (and common sense) that tells us this is just another - in a long list - of bigfoot hoaxes ... just a few items as food for thought...
This statement right here is where you went wrong because everything i said is 100% fact. In contrast everything you wrote is 100% speculation or as it's more commonly termed flat out bullshit. Im a skeptic you are a debunker. I never said Bigfoot exist. What I know DOESN'T exist is the possibility that the ones who made this particular footage, in the 60's, had the foresight and technical knowledge to predict the type of futuristic scrutiny this grainy footage would be put through. then took steps to make finite details not visible in the original footage to be discovered at a later date. the digital enhancements when compared to known primates are almost identical in both facial feature proportions and muscular movements. If you want to believe some hillbilly and his friend could pull that off (which probably would have cost hundreds of thousands of dollars) then you may want to reavaluate your level of rationality.
 
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