Has anyone grown out HSO's Raspberry Diesel??

GreenLegend420

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Thats true but with 100 days turn around it would be, lets say 60 of flower for a photo, which leaves 40 for veg. And you can tell me fish stories all you want but im not going to believe that with a 40 day veg on a photo, that you can pull anywhere near 150 grams from a plant. Realistically, it would take most people a good 10-12 week veg (2.5-3 months, or about 80-90 days) grow plants that will put out over five zipsView attachment 3651266
Have nothing against autos at all but this is way off. With a well built undercurrent/rdwc system people are putting out huge numbers with minimal veg.

I ran an og kush 6 weeks from seed (42 days) in an undercurrent/rdwc bucket system and it exploded, ended up being nearly 5ft tall x 5ft wide. It pulled over 220g and og is known as a low yielder. If i did it over i would have never went past 25 days veg.

Run from rooted clone in that system with 25 days veg i would say most strains would pull over 150g.
 

GreenLegend420

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Also i remeber back when autos first came out it was 65 days seed to harvest but the yields were low.

Out came lowryders stuff pushing 70+ days with bigger yields but it couldnt compete with clone straight to 12/12. Read many threads with that tested.

For autos to go 90-100 days is crazy. Can easily out yield autos in that same time period with photos and use less electricity 75% of the time.
 

OGEvilgenius

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Make no mistake, Think Different when I tried it when it first came out was complete garbage. Thing about autos though is you need to breed them... you can't keep moms forever so as lines progress they change up a bit.
 

Alienwidow

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Have nothing against autos at all but this is way off. With a well built undercurrent/rdwc system people are putting out huge numbers with minimal veg.

I ran an og kush 6 weeks from seed (42 days) in an undercurrent/rdwc bucket system and it exploded, ended up being nearly 5ft tall x 5ft wide. It pulled over 220g and og is known as a low yielder. If i did it over i would have never went past 25 days veg.

Run from rooted clone in that system with 25 days veg i would say most strains would pull over 150g.
I knew thered be one of you at least. I said nothing about hydroponics at all. Anyone whos grown knows that a dwc, under current or not, will produce way more than a soil/less grow in way less time. And the funny thing is that you mention that photo plants are doing great in rdwc and make no mention that autos do equally well in an DWC system. Ive seen some rediculous autos in DWC. They were looking like a lb easy. So yes youd have to run the lights for twice as long, but still pull a lb vs 220 in the same time frame. And if i could double the power bill and production, i would double them gladly. ;)
 

DoctorFrost

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I knew thered be one of you at least. I said nothing about hydroponics at all. Anyone whos grown knows that a dwc, under current or not, will produce way more than a soil/less grow in way less time. And the funny thing is that you mention that photo plants are doing great in rdwc and make no mention that autos do equally well in an DWC system. Ive seen some rediculous autos in DWC. They were looking like a lb easy. So yes youd have to run the lights for twice as long, but still pull a lb vs 220 in the same time frame. And if i could double the power bill and production, i would double them gladly. ;)
I understand what you are saying, and mean no disrespect in what I am about to reply it is just my personal experiences and everyone's vary from person to person. I have always been a soil grower and for the most part have been mostly organic since day 1 with very little chemical nutes and for the last year absolutely no chemicals. For most strains with a month veg I have averaged around 8-12oz. I used to veg a little over that somewhere around 5 weeks to get 1 pound plants because I would run 2 under 1k. Not every time would they yield a pound, sometimes one would be 12 or 14 and sometimes it would be 18 or 20. The reason I am seeing people take so long to veg a plant is lack of light and small pots. Usually within 4-5 days of sprouting or somewhere around there I have the seedlings under at least a 600 MH/HPS and sometimes even a 1000 HPS. But after the first 2 weeks for sure I up it to a 1000 HPS. Once the plant is under the 600 it is at least in a 2-3 gallon pot, and once at the 2 week mark it is transplanted into a 7-20 gallon pot depending how many I run per light. Almost every time I see people "vegging" their plants they have them in some tiny half gallon container under a few CFLs. If you don't care about time this works great and you can get by with a lot less light in veg. But if you want them done quick then fire up the 600-1000HPS from day one and put them in big pots and you will see the difference. Once a plant starts growing in veg under a big light it starts growing fast. The first couple weeks are fairly slow but after weeks 3, or especially 4 they start to grow very very fast under a 1000 HPS.

What many people don't realize is how much the plant continues to grow when you flip it to flower, especially sativa doms like I like. Lets say I want to grow out 2 seeds that are very uniform from the same strain but one is put in a 5 gallon bucket and the other a 15 gallon smart pot. They can be vegged the same amount of time and be even the same size when thrown into flower, but by the time they go into flower the 15 gallon plant will continue to grow larger in flower moreso then the smaller 5 gallon bucket will as the plant continues to fill out the root space. I am not saying this is the best idea for people trying to make the most of their spaces running SOGS but I like large plants and smaller plant counts so this works great for me.

As for autos, I have grown a few of them out in the past and they weren't bad. I'd say they lacked slightly in the potency compared to the original they were made from but not a significant amount or anything. I'd say if you grew say a Critical + that tested at 16% THC, the Auto form would probably be around 12% but this is just me guesstimating. I can't comment on yield though as the Autos I grew were before I got into big plants. I did have them under a 1000 HPS though and if memory serves was getting around 4oz each in a 5 gallon bucket with about 70-80 days all together depending on plant. My favorite ones I grew out were from Sweet Seeds. But I bet the HSO ones are probably some of the best out there since HSO has the best fem seeds I have tried. I could see an auto yielding more then a photo strain under the same light with the same conditions because it has the light on for more hours of the day. But not by a whole lot. And I would bet anything from beginning of grow to chop day that on a per hour of light being on the photos will out yield the autos because that extra 4-12 hours of light each day really adds up.

And back to AlienWidow - I got to say one last thing, you said "And if i could double the power bill and production, i would double them gladly." .
You do know you could just buy another light and that would do exactly that right? You can always add more light, but you are going to gain the most by buying another light for more plants over running your light for more hours on some autos. Just my opinion and experience.

And let me say lastly I am not running autos down at all, they have their uses but for most things people use them for they seem pointless. In my opinion they are awesome for 2 purposes. First up in the veg room if you have extra space - extra bud for free that way. And secondly for planting outdoors early on in say April so you can harvest your buds at the end of June before any LEO are even out looking in their choppers or rippers/hunters for that matter. I still haven't done the last one myself but in the future I plan to do that with some autos outdoors guerilla style. And please AlienWidow don't take my post as offensive it really isn't meant that way. That is just my experience over the years and if it can help you in any way or anyone else then great.

Edited to add - If you do the last thing I mention and plan on running a bunch outdoors guerilla style I recommend making your own seeds to use to save cost since you can't take clones from autos and you would need a lot more of them to average a regular plant's yield. I figure a lot of people would consider a 100 plant Auto grow outdoors a average size since they would only produce around 4-6 oz each probably. I haven't made any of my own seeds yet but plan to here soon and from the research I done in the past I can tell you if you take 2 auto flower strains and cross them together the offspring will also be auto. But if you take an auto and cross it to a non auto then you will have different types and would have to further inbreed the line in order to stabilize the auto genes. But lets say you want to put out 100 HSO Blue Dream next year. Instead of buying 100 beans that would cost a small fortune why not just buy a 5-10 pack and pick the best couple growers of the bunch to reverse with STS spray and put the pollen on the other 3-7 and end up with thousands of seeds to grow out for many years to come.
 
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DoctorFrost

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....funny how that goes huh. When I replied I forgot that is what this thread was even about or I probably wouldn't have gotten off on a ramble for so long. I doubt we are going to hear much about this strain for a couple-few more months. But I was interested in it from the first day I seen HSO release it. Not so much here soon since I will have some Bodhi keepers, but I have always thought HSO had the best fem seeds and are a nice reliable breeder. I wonder what the "cherry afghan" is that they use and if it is the same that Bodhi uses in his crosses with the name of Afkansastan which he always labels as cherry in his crosses from an 80s Afghani bring back line.
 

Alienwidow

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....so...about that raspberry diesel...
Sorry john. The auto community isnt very large around here and trying to pinpoint one auto when there's literally thousands available is a tough one. Buuuut in the mean time we can bump the thread until someone who knows something shows up for ya ;) till then well probably just have a big pissing match in the snow :):):)
 

Alienwidow

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I understand what you are saying, and mean no disrespect in what I am about to reply it is just my personal experiences and everyone's vary from person to person. I have always been a soil grower and for the most part have been mostly organic since day 1 with very little chemical nutes and for the last year absolutely no chemicals. For most strains with a month veg I have averaged around 8-12oz. I used to veg a little over that somewhere around 5 weeks to get 1 pound plants because I would run 2 under 1k. Not every time would they yield a pound, sometimes one would be 12 or 14 and sometimes it would be 18 or 20. The reason I am seeing people take so long to veg a plant is lack of light and small pots. Usually within 4-5 days of sprouting or somewhere around there I have the seedlings under at least a 600 MH/HPS and sometimes even a 1000 HPS. But after the first 2 weeks for sure I up it to a 1000 HPS. Once the plant is under the 600 it is at least in a 2-3 gallon pot, and once at the 2 week mark it is transplanted into a 7-20 gallon pot depending how many I run per light. Almost every time I see people "vegging" their plants they have them in some tiny half gallon container under a few CFLs. If you don't care about time this works great and you can get by with a lot less light in veg. But if you want them done quick then fire up the 600-1000HPS from day one and put them in big pots and you will see the difference. Once a plant starts growing in veg under a big light it starts growing fast. The first couple weeks are fairly slow but after weeks 3, or especially 4 they start to grow very very fast under a 1000 HPS.

What many people don't realize is how much the plant continues to grow when you flip it to flower, especially sativa doms like I like. Lets say I want to grow out 2 seeds that are very uniform from the same strain but one is put in a 5 gallon bucket and the other a 15 gallon smart pot. They can be vegged the same amount of time and be even the same size when thrown into flower, but by the time they go into flower the 15 gallon plant will continue to grow larger in flower moreso then the smaller 5 gallon bucket will as the plant continues to fill out the root space. I am not saying this is the best idea for people trying to make the most of their spaces running SOGS but I like large plants and smaller plant counts so this works great for me.

As for autos, I have grown a few of them out in the past and they weren't bad. I'd say they lacked slightly in the potency compared to the original they were made from but not a significant amount or anything. I'd say if you grew say a Critical + that tested at 16% THC, the Auto form would probably be around 12% but this is just me guesstimating. I can't comment on yield though as the Autos I grew were before I got into big plants. I did have them under a 1000 HPS though and if memory serves was getting around 4oz each in a 5 gallon bucket with about 70-80 days all together depending on plant. My favorite ones I grew out were from Sweet Seeds. But I bet the HSO ones are probably some of the best out there since HSO has the best fem seeds I have tried. I could see an auto yielding more then a photo strain under the same light with the same conditions because it has the light on for more hours of the day. But not by a whole lot. And I would bet anything from beginning of grow to chop day that on a per hour of light being on the photos will out yield the autos because that extra 4-12 hours of light each day really adds up.

And back to AlienWidow - I got to say one last thing, you said "And if i could double the power bill and production, i would double them gladly." .
You do know you could just buy another light and that would do exactly that right? You can always add more light, but you are going to gain the most by buying another light for more plants over running your light for more hours on some autos. Just my opinion and experience.

And let me say lastly I am not running autos down at all, they have their uses but for most things people use them for they seem pointless. In my opinion they are awesome for 2 purposes. First up in the veg room if you have extra space - extra bud for free that way. And secondly for planting outdoors early on in say April so you can harvest your buds at the end of June before any LEO are even out looking in their choppers or rippers/hunters for that matter. I still haven't done the last one myself but in the future I plan to do that with some autos outdoors guerilla style. And please AlienWidow don't take my post as offensive it really isn't meant that way. That is just my experience over the years and if it can help you in any way or anyone else then great.

Edited to add - If you do the last thing I mention and plan on running a bunch outdoors guerilla style I recommend making your own seeds to use to save cost since you can't take clones from autos and you would need a lot more of them to average a regular plant's yield. I figure a lot of people would consider a 100 plant Auto grow outdoors a average size since they would only produce around 4-6 oz each probably. I haven't made any of my own seeds yet but plan to here soon and from the research I done in the past I can tell you if you take 2 auto flower strains and cross them together the offspring will also be auto. But if you take an auto and cross it to a non auto then you will have different types and would have to further inbreed the line in order to stabilize the auto genes. But lets say you want to put out 100 HSO Blue Dream next year. Instead of buying 100 beans that would cost a small fortune why not just buy a 5-10 pack and pick the best couple growers of the bunch to reverse with STS spray and put the pollen on the other 3-7 and end up with thousands of seeds to grow out for many years to come.
Thanks for the reply. I know that most autos are testing in like four or five percent lower thc most of the time. But theres a lot of good gear out there from what ive been reading on. These mephisto guys seem like they're constantly testing in the low 20s. I just want to find their highest yeilders. The pics that are floating around look great, but some of the strains just dont grow over a foot. One guy grew a foot tall plant that yielded over a hundred grams with three heads. Thing looks like a three headed football!

Seriously though....lets talk fish stories. Five weeks veg and 18-20 oz??? I aint buyin it unless someone else seconds this. True enough, i do veg under floro tubes. But still, after a month my plants are like at max, 24 inches high. Im thinking not even that tall. Maybe 16 inches. Bottom line is i gotta see this. Pics or it didnt happen.

And for john...https://www.rollitup.org/t/hso-lost-coast-skunk.904707/
Heres a guy running hso autos. They look dank. Super frosty.
 

DoctorFrost

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I have no reason to lie to you buddy but I understand your skepticism since this is the internet and people lie for whatever reasons. I have no proof either other then my word so I doubt you ever truly believe it until you try it yourself like I described. But for a 5 week veg it isn't always 18-20oz it could be 12-14oz it just depends on the strain and how much light it is getting.

24 inches tall isn't bad either to flower at, heck it is probably about what I usually flip them at. I have flowered many pound plants at that height or maybe even less, they usually stretch to at least 4 feet after thrown in flower anyways with the big 15-25 gallon smart pots. I don't know if you train your plants or not but for me by the time they are 2 feet tall they have multiple tops, so when thrown into flower a 2 ft plant will become a 4-5 foot plant with multiple tops by the time it is done flowering. I'd say what is really limiting you is how big of pots you have them in and how much light you have over them Light and pot size are the 2 most important things for determining yield in my opinion - even above genetics. Put a 1000 watt light over 2 plants in 15-25 gallon pots that are 24 inches tall when thrown into flower with multiple tops and then tell me your results. You may be very surprised at what you get out of it. Just remember light light light.. it's what is important if you desire yield.

I have done a couple 12/12 from seed deals and got about 4-5 oz from them each. But they were sativa dominant in 7-10 gallon pots with lots of light over them. And they didn't start flowering at the same time as the mature plants around them, usually they would "veg" for at least 2-3 weeks before even starting to think about flowering. If these were started 12/12 in small 1-3 gallon pots I doubt they would do that. So to be fair I wouldn't say they had no veg time at all, I'd say that those plants had a veg time of 2 weeks even though they were thrown straight into 12/12. It just made them do what an autoflower would do.
 

Alienwidow

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lol right, it turned into an auto flower circle jerk rather fast. You couldn't pay me to run an auto flower. I like a strong gene pool and don't particularly appreciate seed chuckers watering it down with this crap.
Well thats a helpful post isnt it? I love being criticized by a guy whos not only off topic but also negative. Pure genius. :roll:
 

akhiymjames

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I have no reason to lie to you buddy but I understand your skepticism since this is the internet and people lie for whatever reasons. I have no proof either other then my word so I doubt you ever truly believe it until you try it yourself like I described. But for a 5 week veg it isn't always 18-20oz it could be 12-14oz it just depends on the strain and how much light it is getting.

24 inches tall isn't bad either to flower at, heck it is probably about what I usually flip them at. I have flowered many pound plants at that height or maybe even less, they usually stretch to at least 4 feet after thrown in flower anyways with the big 15-25 gallon smart pots. I don't know if you train your plants or not but for me by the time they are 2 feet tall they have multiple tops, so when thrown into flower a 2 ft plant will become a 4-5 foot plant with multiple tops by the time it is done flowering. I'd say what is really limiting you is how big of pots you have them in and how much light you have over them Light and pot size are the 2 most important things for determining yield in my opinion - even above genetics. Put a 1000 watt light over 2 plants in 15-25 gallon pots that are 24 inches tall when thrown into flower with multiple tops and then tell me your results. You may be very surprised at what you get out of it. Just remember light light light.. it's what is important if you desire yield.

I have done a couple 12/12 from seed deals and got about 4-5 oz from them each. But they were sativa dominant in 7-10 gallon pots with lots of light over them. And they didn't start flowering at the same time as the mature plants around them, usually they would "veg" for at least 2-3 weeks before even starting to think about flowering. If these were started 12/12 in small 1-3 gallon pots I doubt they would do that. So to be fair I wouldn't say they had no veg time at all, I'd say that those plants had a veg time of 2 weeks even though they were thrown straight into 12/12. It just made them do what an autoflower would do.
5 week veg from seed and getting anything over a pound is tremendous whatever strain it is cus I've never seen it done before. I've seen people plant their seeds straight into 15gal + pots veg with many watts of light and don't come close to a lb especially in soil. The growth isn't fast enough now I can believe it more in hydro cus I've grown hydro and seen the speed of growth and it's def loads faster than soil. I'm def not calling you a lie cus you contribute much good info to this forum but just hard to believe those results. I'm gonna test your theory tho after seed cracks it's going straight into a 2-3gal and after 2-3 weeks it's going into a 10-15gal and after 5-6 weeks of veg will flip and see what's good. And I'll make sure it's def something that's gross good and not super slow like and Purple Urkle or OGKB cross
 

DoctorFrost

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Make sure you pick something sativa dominant if you want to get the most of it. Lots of B strains that are fairly sativa dominant and should work well, stretch in flower is a good thing for yield as long as you have the space for it. All the ones I used to grow like this were from Fem seeds though and probably some of the best ones I had were Green Crack from HSO, Pineapple Express, Pure AK from FMS - that is just 3 I can think of off the top of my head that peaked in the yield especially the Green Crack from HSO. It done much better then the 5-6 Blue Dream I grew from them.

There is also a big difference in 10 and 15 gallon pots for the outcome of the yield. At least from my experiences of comparing the two. There were times I didn't think I vegged long enough to need a 15 gallon pot so would plant a couple in 10s and a couple in 15s but the 15s still always outyielded the 10's even with a shorter veg. Not saying this is scientific fact, just what I have experienced. And what is weird a lot of times when taking the roots/plant out to reuse the soil I would find that a lot of the soil wasn't even being used by the roots for some strains but would still do better in bigger pots. I don't know why, I just know it did in my case. But for a 5 week veg I would for sure use 15s. Also my soil may be different then a lot of peoples, I have been in soil since my first grow probably 5-6 years ago but I have progressed forward quite a bit in what I use.

Here is my set up - it isn't measured out or anything like that I just go off what I feel is right. But start off with a big bag of Pro Mix HP since it has more perlite already. Then I add some more perlite to the mix, not so it is half and half or anything but the perlite does make up a large percentage of my soil. And then I add about 1 small 8 oz cup of lime per every 20 gallons or so I mix up. And lastly and most importantly I add a crap ton of worm castings. The brand I use is the most common brand you see called Soil Builder Wiggle Worm - not sure that brand really matters. But I add a lot of castings, I'd say I use a 30 pound bag per every 4 plants or so in 15 gallons. So a 30 pound bag for 60 gallons of soil. This keeps the plants very healthy up until chop day. Occasionally I will add bone/blood meal or something else but generally not. And I reuse my soil over and over since I don't use chemical nutrients anymore. I guess it's possible this is considered a soil-less mix? Since it is mostly peat-moss, and perlite with some worm castings and lime added. I know my soil dries out very quickly and I have to water almost every day, at least every 2 days but the roots grow very quickly like this.

James, the biggest thing to remember is how much light you have per plant. Just because you put the plant under a 1000w with 5 others surrounding it doesn't mean it will yield around a pound. You really need to have only 2 plants per 1k if you want to get close to or around a pound. And better yet only 1 plant per 1k - but that is a little bit of a waste usually for only 5 week veg. But top the plant early in veg so it starts to bush out a little and form other tops. Then if you still don't have enough tops when you flip to flower the best thing I have found to do is bend/break the branch by supercropping it. I have supercropped a LOT and some of my best yields come from these plants that I have supercropped a lot. Unlike topping it doesn't take long for the plant to recover and generally the next day all the nodes on that branch you bent are aiming straight up. It is something that you need to read up on and practice a little with though. Some plants bend easy, others break too easy. A good way to do it is get a piece of duct tape to wrap around where you want to break it, then break it in the middle of the tape. This keeps it from snapping in two and hurting it.

I know most of you won't read this post since it is a novel,I just wanted to explain the way I done things to those of you that are reading. And Since you are about to try this James, I will say again - Remember lots of light from start to finish - don't veg with Fluros put your babies under a 1k from the beginning. They will veg much faster this way. And when going into flower only 2 plants per 1k light, and preferably even more light if you can add it if you wish to achieve at least 1 pound. Also you want at least 15 gallon pots, if not bigger. And for soil make sure it is light and airy with lots of peat and perlite so the roots can grow fast, and keep them watered every day. And remember lots of tops. I think that about sums this novel up :)
 
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