Hallucinogens and Reality

Okay, I've been smoking for a couple of years, and I always used to love it. It just made me happy as hell, content with my life, etc.

Try to follow me while I describe these effects to you, as they're the paranoid rantings of a stoner, so I'm sure this all seems a bit excessive, but your reassurance that this is normal could help me greatly.
:eyesmoke:
Recently, I've started to notice some weird effects, and they've been carrying over into my real life.

These effects aren't simple, but I'll explain them as well as possible:

1. World becomes broader. I'm forced to take everything around me in. Normally, I'll be able to focus on one thing in my field of vision, and that thing becomes clear and everything else is easy to ignore. When I smoke, I'm forced to pay attention to everything, all of it becomes clear. Colors are intensified, interior decoration makes sense, rooms give off *vibes* that effect my mood.

My vision also seems to zoom in. I suppose this is because I constantly wear contacts

2. Sounds become much more clear. I can easily hear the tones in people's voices, and I can pick up on the smallest sounds.
In my home, there are usually at least 3 tvs on, when I'm sober, I sit in my room and I'm oblivious to everything else, but when I smoke, I can hear all 3 tvs, any conversations that are going on, etc.

3. People's actions, facial expressions, voice, all evoke a *vibe*. A vibe allows me to look at the person and read into their actions, how they're feeling, see their values, etc. to the point that everything the person says becomes more clear, because I can see their reasoning behind it.

4. Physical feeling is intensified. I can sense every little movement in my body, the surface I'm on, etc. This makes getting comfortable very hard.

5. Stupid mistakes become blatently obvious. Little things, like taking my shoes off and leaving them on the floor, rather than a mat, make me feel like an idiot, and I wonder how often I do that in sober life and never notice.

All of these effects lead me to call being high "Hyper Reality". It's weird, sense none of my friends seem to experience this. The weirdest part is that it sometimes carries over into my real life, making everyone around me seem incredibly stupid.

Other Stuff:
I get really paranoid, because I feel everything on/in my body and things around me, I sometimes get the notion in my head that I'm acting ridiculous, farting over and over, pissing myself, etc. None of this has ever happened.

I can experience closed eye visuals whenever I choose

I'm fairly baked for at least 7 hours after a good smoking session.



The interesting thing is, Acid makes me feel the same way, only I feel complete euphoria the whole time, I'm never confused by the intensified world, I just feel like I understand it better, and I talk a LOT more. Hallucinations on acid are very slight, unless I smoke weed with it. I actually notice that I sometimes hallucinate more with just weed than just acid.

Shrooms, on the other hand, I experience no intensifying, it's actually more like the world is dulled down, and the hallucinations come from my mind's inattention to the details.


Are the effects of weed for me normal?
Should I be worried that I experience these, and there's a history of schizophrenia in my family? Why would I hallucinate more on weed than I do on acid?
 

Kush Out The Ass

New Member
I never done acid but the effects of weed...I experience the same as everything listed. FYI Hyper Reality makes you wise...

Never hallucinated with weed.
 

victozap

Well-Known Member
Okay, first of all if you have schizophrenia in your family, you sort of have to be a little careful. The first thing you are doing wrong is distinguishing the "hyper reality" as you say from reality. DON'T do this. If you keep separating the two it might lead to schizophrenic symptoms. Rather, think of being high as a different PERCEPTION of reality, not an entirely different reality.

That's pretty much it, everything else seems normal
 

Wordz

Well-Known Member
Okay, I've been smoking for a couple of years, and I always used to love it. It just made me happy as hell, content with my life, etc.

Try to follow me while I describe these effects to you, as they're the paranoid rantings of a stoner, so I'm sure this all seems a bit excessive, but your reassurance that this is normal could help me greatly.
:eyesmoke:
Recently, I've started to notice some weird effects, and they've been carrying over into my real life.

These effects aren't simple, but I'll explain them as well as possible:

1. World becomes broader. I'm forced to take everything around me in. Normally, I'll be able to focus on one thing in my field of vision, and that thing becomes clear and everything else is easy to ignore. When I smoke, I'm forced to pay attention to everything, all of it becomes clear. Colors are intensified, interior decoration makes sense, rooms give off *vibes* that effect my mood.

My vision also seems to zoom in. I suppose this is because I constantly wear contacts

2. Sounds become much more clear. I can easily hear the tones in people's voices, and I can pick up on the smallest sounds.
In my home, there are usually at least 3 tvs on, when I'm sober, I sit in my room and I'm oblivious to everything else, but when I smoke, I can hear all 3 tvs, any conversations that are going on, etc.

3. People's actions, facial expressions, voice, all evoke a *vibe*. A vibe allows me to look at the person and read into their actions, how they're feeling, see their values, etc. to the point that everything the person says becomes more clear, because I can see their reasoning behind it.

4. Physical feeling is intensified. I can sense every little movement in my body, the surface I'm on, etc. This makes getting comfortable very hard.

5. Stupid mistakes become blatently obvious. Little things, like taking my shoes off and leaving them on the floor, rather than a mat, make me feel like an idiot, and I wonder how often I do that in sober life and never notice.

All of these effects lead me to call being high "Hyper Reality". It's weird, sense none of my friends seem to experience this. The weirdest part is that it sometimes carries over into my real life, making everyone around me seem incredibly stupid.

Other Stuff:
I get really paranoid, because I feel everything on/in my body and things around me, I sometimes get the notion in my head that I'm acting ridiculous, farting over and over, pissing myself, etc. None of this has ever happened.

I can experience closed eye visuals whenever I choose

I'm fairly baked for at least 7 hours after a good smoking session.



The interesting thing is, Acid makes me feel the same way, only I feel complete euphoria the whole time, I'm never confused by the intensified world, I just feel like I understand it better, and I talk a LOT more. Hallucinations on acid are very slight, unless I smoke weed with it. I actually notice that I sometimes hallucinate more with just weed than just acid.

Shrooms, on the other hand, I experience no intensifying, it's actually more like the world is dulled down, and the hallucinations come from my mind's inattention to the details.


Are the effects of weed for me normal?
Should I be worried that I experience these, and there's a history of schizophrenia in my family? Why would I hallucinate more on weed than I do on acid?
I dunno sounds like you have a low tolerance to weed. But that's a good thing
 

upnorth2505

New Member
Hey guy. I would suggest being very careful. I am not sure of your age, but schizophrenia tends to develop late teens through mid thirties. I think that marijuana has the potential to make symptoms worse or even bring on the sickness.

If you have not seen a shrink yet, I would recommend seeing one. See a Dr. as opposed to a psychologist if you can. They are in a better position to understand physical issues as well. I would do this ASAP.

Also, you may be aware of the sativa vs indica variations. Some strains, especially sativas, can contribute to paranoia. So you may want to try an indica.

I do not like telling people not to get buzzed, cause I love it. But I also have a brother with schizophrenia. Pot had NOTHING to do with his sickness coming on. He does say though that it makes his symptoms worse.

You need to get a handle on this by seeing a Doc. I would consider in the mean time not smoking any weed. This is especially true if you are having any auditory hallucinations or suspscious beliefs.

I wish you the best bud. I would like to hear to see how you are doing. Pm me if you want. :peace:
 
i have a pretty low tolerance of weed, say 1 bowl of some dank and ill be fucked for a good 3-4 hours. anyway i experience most of those of those effects as well and can also hallucinate with my eyes closed fairly easily, so maybe its just a low tolerance thing?

I wouldnt be too worried about the schizophrenia, i agree with what victozap said.:cool:
 

upnorth2505

New Member
i have a pretty low tolerance of weed, say 1 bowl of some dank and ill be fucked for a good 3-4 hours. anyway i experience most of those of those effects as well and can also hallucinate with my eyes closed fairly easily, so maybe its just a low tolerance thing?

I wouldnt be too worried about the schizophrenia, i agree with what victozap said.:cool:
Sorry, but I disagree. "I wouldnt be too worried about the schizophrenia" is NOT the right approach if there is a history of it in your family.
 

Mr.KushMan

Well-Known Member
Schizophrenia is not a major concern for the regular toker. That is basically just nazi-drug war propaganda . That is taken from the notion that THC is schizophrenia causing or has the ability to precipitate the schizophrenia, but regular marijuana has a modulation mechanism called CBD which is actually anti-psychosis.

What you are experiencing is just a broadening of your world view, or expanding of your consciousness. When you are high your brains receptor sort information slightly differently, the key is being able to experience these new ways of understanding after you cease use of the substance. I can say after I took my psychedelic binge I have had a completely different day to day experience. I can turn OEV's and CEV's on and off, My feild of vision has a TV static quality to it, as well it makes it very easy to find patterns, those distorted pictures that have hidden images I can see almost clear as day with out any intention. As well my mind seems alot more clear, while at the same time extremely chaotic.

Peace
 
What you are experiencing is just a broadening of your world view, or expanding of your consciousness.
Well, the problem with this is that when I take acid, I feel that I experience true consciousness expansion, and it's a joyous event. There is total clarity, and an afterglow that can last weeks.

Weed may have the consciousness expansion quality to it, but it induces confusion, fear, etc.

I think that the poster above who suggested I take a break is right, but should I also quit taking Acid, Mescaline, and all of the other hallucinogens which don't produce those weird effects?

The heavy hallucinogens have a much worse reputation for causing insanity, but I feel like weed is what really triggers this, and other stuff makes the symptoms go away.
 

Mr.KushMan

Well-Known Member
Any exogenous nervous system agitation will cause the experiencer to have reverberations, some worse than others.

Peace
 

jfgordon1

Well-Known Member
If you have schizo.. i probably do too because that's how i am too. You just have to learn how to control it.

But hey, if it's in your history... you should be cautious
 

420 swede

Active Member
ye i can relate to all this, i see everything more clear, everything becomes allot more real etc. tho i'd say i get a bit detached from my own feelings, a bit careless and harsh, allmost a bit rude to some ppl that are not stoned...maybe its bcuz i subcontiously doesnt like them or im just anoyed that they will give me a negative reaction if or when they realise im stoned. All this hyper reality came to me while sober every now and then...in everyday situations it was kind of anoying sometimes, all this disapeared about 6 months without smoking too often...when weed didnt become a big part of my everyday life i basicly stopped think about it and day by day it faded.
 

ANC

Well-Known Member
I have personaly seen a friend's girlfriend go violently psycotic from cannabis alone.... So bad that she had to be taken to hospital, and the relationship of years ended that day.
 

sarah22

Well-Known Member
schizophrenia only effects approx 1-2% of the population...closer to 1% than to 2% though. so i doubt that its schizo, i have a lot of those experiences too. i've been feeling more paranoid than usual the past little while but i've also been smoking some hefty sativas. i just have to find funny safe and positive things to focus on while high and maintain that focus once the buzz wears off. for some people weed really does expand their mind and their consciousness, and that can be unsettling when you start having auditory and visual hallucinations and paranoid thoughts...to be honest i think thats just part of being high sometimes. weed is definitely going to alter your perception of EVERYTHING. i find that when im high im able to pay more attention to small detail, and i notice my "stupid mistakes" too. when im doing anything high im meticulous. if im cooking, i do everything in the exact right order, fully thinking about it, and i get everything cleaned up and put away as im cooking and things get done quicker because im in the moment and less distracted.
 

420 swede

Active Member
I rly hope we are talking high and not baked to hell, bcuz when i get my baking going real good i do the most retarded stuff in no order at all.. I got examples of friend of mine splitting chunks of frozen meat in his kitchen with a electric circle saw and took a big part of his cutboard away, gladiator games with sharpened bamboo sticks and handpainted porcelain bowls as shields etc...the list is quite long but i guess that was the top 2 :P
 

sarah22

Well-Known Member
I rly hope we are talking high and not baked to hell, bcuz when i get my baking going real good i do the most retarded stuff in no order at all.. I got examples of friend of mine splitting chunks of frozen meat in his kitchen with a electric circle saw and took a big part of his cutboard away, gladiator games with sharpened bamboo sticks and handpainted porcelain bowls as shields etc...the list is quite long but i guess that was the top 2 :P
i get baked as fuck twice a day. i dont come in from my little smoke shed until i think im on another planet haha. i think that maybe the difference is that im alone most of the time. if im completely and totally stoned off my ass, and im alone, im smart as hell. everything i do ends up better, i learn easier, i pay more attention, etc. when im with friends, i just like to laugh and goof off and have fun, so i say dumb things every now and then, or maybe do something dumb, but only when im around other people. ;-)
 

420 swede

Active Member
hehe, allso i love how i start getting a bit schitzo while im baked...i get happy and start talking to myself...alot :D its like havin' a litle bit of jack sparrow inside of me that get out every once in a while when i start puffing ^^
 
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