grow tent advice on lighting

ineverveg

ineverveg

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el throttle said:
lol you sound like the guys i know that grow with compact fluorescent and t-5 that buy the "red bulbs" "full spectrum" lol. i know guys that are very successful at what we do and only use hps during veg and flower. these things are weeds and will grow if you stand over them with a flash light..and if hps is historical then we must be living in the past and you and a handfull of aliens are from the future..wow! its not cheap to grow especially if your trying to be a serious grower, if not just go to walmart for some compact fl, problem solved.. and you wanna talk about historic, trying to mimic the sun is the oldest shit in the books. there are many mh bulbs out there with some yellow trying to "mimic" the sun.. i dont understand why people get all organic about the sun.. next your gonna want some butterflies and other flowers in your garden.. just fucking with you but seriously get whatever helps you sleep at night its not gonna hurt my garden..
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lol you sound like the guy who knows a guy that is the bollocks at everything and if you refuse to do it his way well thats just plain wrong and if you dont agree with that then i will put you down at every given chance i get lol.

btw that was just a copy of sum of the things i have read today, they are not my scriptures at all, please dont give me credit

and yes you are the best and every1 should do as you do .....:peace::peace::peace:
 
el throttle

el throttle

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cool thanks im glad you feel that way, i just think its easier to follow the best motherfuckers in the world which not one use cmh or even 400's so if you could just understand "diligence" which i doubt, life would be easier.. you sounded like a cut and paste guy and maybe you should do as i do if you wanna ever post and smoke some of your own grown dank buds.. thats all you do anyways is prob cut and paste in your garden..
 
missnu

missnu

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I have a cool tube and a carbon filter, and an exhaust fan as well as a box fan in the flower tent, but the veg tent just has 1 box fan
 
missnu

missnu

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and you can also veg and flower with only a Metal Halide and get great results...you really just have to try things out...
I spent the extra money to get a 400w CMH and ya know everything looks good...but it would look just as good with a 400w HPS I bet...then again an HPS is hotter, and with MH you get more resin...and I notice with the CMH the buds seem to get the bang of the MH by way of crystals, and the wow of HPS by way of really dense nuggetry...but is it worth the extra initial cost? Well I paid like $250 for the ballast, the bulb and the cooltube...then a guy in my areas craiglist was selling 2 1000w digital ballasts and they both had brand new MH bulbs with the reflectors and he wanted $200 for both of them...which is what I prefer...HPS gets too hot and the plants just don't get as frosty as if you use the MH...there is a definite difference in sparkle....and I like things that are sparkly...lol
Then again I have started a couple new strains that could just be pretty sparkly themselves...but 2 strains I have seen the difference with...I have a more sativa that barely shows any difference between HPS and MH, but I have a more indica strain that just gets way way frostier if you use the MH the whole time, as opposed to the amount of shine from the HPS...
So from trying all the lights I prefer CMH, or just plain old MH...the CMH is way way cooler than the HPS...but there isn't too much difference between using a MH the whole time and using a CMH...they are both better in my opinion than HPS...by my opinion I mean that I prefer the MH results for whatever reason...not that using a MH the whole time is better, or my plants are doing better or what not...I am just saying that I like the way all MH buds turn out, more than buds with HPS for flowering...they are all great, but for whatever reason I like to just give mine blue and they seem to like it just fine...
 
missnu

missnu

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Some people do think that their way is the only way..when really almost anyway ends up great...especially when you are talking about HID lighting...for real....MH, CMH, HPS...but if I had to do it over again I would have bought one new 600w MH and not got the CMH at all...but I did...so that is that...I now know...so if ever I am buying lights again...I will just get a larger watt MH
 
el throttle

el throttle

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ineverveg said:
like i said , i have a budget so i cant roll with george cervantes just yet :sad:

you are the first hole i ve met on here, thanx...
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na im prob the first to keep it real, people got to much pride and thats what gets the best of people. keeps you from learning , you could talk all the shit you want about me and my shit and ill prob agree with you. you gotta leave your feelings out of it if your trying to learn.its just dumb to try to grow if you aint got money or equipment. im just the type that buys the best things out there even if i have to buy a piece at a time and even if it takes me a year or two to put a small set up together, but hey when i finally do plug in its nice to not have any issues! if your gonna do it do it right otherwise your just entertaining yourself which i will defend your right to the death to do anything you please... by the way how much is 1000 in us? i can give you a tip on how to get what you need for less....
 
missnu

missnu

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I leave my veg tent open all day because it is packed full of all manner of plants and what not, but the flower tent is private...so it has to stay closed...so it needs a good bit more than the veg...

The cooltube probably isn't even necessary...but I like the fact that the plants can touch the glass all day and it never gets hot enough to burn them...where as a plant touches a bare 400w bulb all day I think it would burn the whole plant down...
 
missnu

missnu

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CMH is more expensive than MH, or HPS...so why does this have anything to do with talk of equipment?...Save some money and just get a MH...I wish I had...but with the CMH you just have to have a way to cool the area down..I think the cool tube with no fan connected would be enough with the exhaust fan and the box fan...but I already have the thing going and as I said I like the plants touching lights thing...
 
ineverveg

ineverveg

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missnu said:
and you can also veg and flower with only a Metal Halide and get great results...you really just have to try things out...
I spent the extra money to get a 400w CMH and ya know everything looks good...but it would look just as good with a 400w HPS I bet...then again an HPS is hotter, and with MH you get more resin...and I notice with the CMH the buds seem to get the bang of the MH by way of crystals, and the wow of HPS by way of really dense nuggetry...but is it worth the extra initial cost? Well I paid like $250 for the ballast, the bulb and the cooltube...then a guy in my areas craiglist was selling 2 1000w digital ballasts and they both had brand new MH bulbs with the reflectors and he wanted $200 for both of them...which is what I prefer...HPS gets too hot and the plants just don't get as frosty as if you use the MH...there is a definite difference in sparkle....and I like things that are sparkly...lol
Then again I have started a couple new strains that could just be pretty sparkly themselves...but 2 strains I have seen the difference with...I have a more sativa that barely shows any difference between HPS and MH, but I have a more indica strain that just gets way way frostier if you use the MH the whole time, as opposed to the amount of shine from the HPS...
So from trying all the lights I prefer CMH, or just plain old MH...the CMH is way way cooler than the HPS...but there isn't too much difference between using a MH the whole time and using a CMH...they are both better in my opinion than HPS...by my opinion I mean that I prefer the MH results for whatever reason...not that using a MH the whole time is better, or my plants are doing better or what not...I am just saying that I like the way all MH buds turn out, more than buds with HPS for flowering...they are all great, but for whatever reason I like to just give mine blue and they seem to like it just fine...
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ive been looking around but it appears they are only available in the states, they would be just the ticket for me im sure, thats a fair few good reports ive heard now so cheers bud !...
 
ineverveg

ineverveg

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missnu said:
CMH is more expensive than MH, or HPS...so why does this have anything to do with talk of equipment?...Save some money and just get a MH...I wish I had...but with the CMH you just have to have a way to cool the area down..I think the cool tube with no fan connected would be enough with the exhaust fan and the box fan...but I already have the thing going and as I said I like the plants touching lights thing...
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i need to get sum new bulbs anyway so i was gonna spend a little extra on these cmh, this would mean i can save money buying whole new lights and hoods, using the ones i have, im spendin enuff lol
 
missnu

missnu

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ehhhh....I like it, but there is very little difference between it and the MH...they don't even look very different...the CMH is beautiful to watch come on though..it changes through like every color, right before it turns into all the colors at the same time almost...it turns everything really blue and then green, and then yellow and then pink and then purple and then it like gives another push and becomes all those at once...it seems somehow brighter than the MH...even though they are the same wattage...the plants get larger with the CMH, but again if I had to redo, I would just get a larger MH...but I don't...and i have already spent too much on all this...
 
missnu

missnu

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ineverveg said:
i need to get sum new bulbs anyway so i was gonna spend a little extra on these cmh, this would mean i can save money buying whole new lights and hoods, using the ones i have, im spendin enuff lol
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Well if you already are running a digital HPS ballast then you can get the CMH bulbs...I just didn't have the magnetic ballast, only a digital...which digital ballasts can do MH and HPS, and magnetic ballasts do HPS and CMH...
 
missnu

missnu

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Well the CMH will allow you to get away with less ventilation and cooling than the HPS will so there is a plus..they are a lot LOT cooler than HPS
 
ineverveg

ineverveg

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missnu said:
ehhhh....I like it, but there is very little difference between it and the MH...they don't even look very different...the CMH is beautiful to watch come on though..it changes through like every color, right before it turns into all the colors at the same time almost...it turns everything really blue and then green, and then yellow and then pink and then purple and then it like gives another push and becomes all those at once...it seems somehow brighter than the MH...even though they are the same wattage...the plants get larger with the CMH, but again if I had to redo, I would just get a larger MH...but I don't...and i have already spent too much on all this...
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sorry my last post made no sense to me either lol, the irony is that i cant even get the cmh over here so im gonna stick with hps lol
i dont really like change and im changing to a tent with a carbon filter and im prolly gonna have to get hydro in for crop two , this all boils my piss and now i gotta learn new tricks wen i move house, but at least i will have more grow height than 4 ft lol
 
WattSaver

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Hey sorry for creating such a stir over a bulb, and its a shame its unavailable in the UK. Good thing I didn't mention my dirt cheap growing method, you'd never get all the shit off the walls. (I spend < $2/plant from clone/seed to harvest)

Best of luck with your new grow set-up
 
ineverveg

ineverveg

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WattSaver said:
Hey sorry for creating such a stir over a bulb, and its a shame its unavailable in the UK. Good thing I didn't mention my dirt cheap growing method, you'd never get all the shit off the walls. (I spend < $2/plant from clone/seed to harvest)

Best of luck with your new grow set-up
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that wasnt your fault m8, i bet he trawls the led and cfl threads just to tell people they can do better :clap:

no that was good advice and i will be ordering someday to try them , its gonna cost me about $75 each with delivery to uk so i aint getting getting any yet,lol. but if the heat is a factor i will do a full switch , i like the fact that they dont degrade as they age aswell , thats a bonus .
i will have 5 square meters of tent floor space, with only 2x400 and 1x600w hps in with a 6" cf and a 5" intake , im hoping when its all setup i will have a nice climate but idk yet, ill just have to wait and see
 
Eflo

Eflo

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WattSaver said:
Use CMH bulbs in the 400's they run cooler and have a much better light spectrum than any hps.

http://advancedtechlighting.com/cdmed18.htm

I run 2 - 400's in a single large, open, un-vented hood and can keep it right on top of the canopy (6 to 8 inches)
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Hey I plan on growing soon and I have been reading about these likes but I don't understand where to get them and how to hook them up. That link sends me to somewhere that shows me cdm lights but I don't know what ballast what hood to get with it. Just wondering if you could point me in the right direction
 
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