GroErr
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Yeah, don't think this MJ issue is going away anytime soon, but it's also at the point where they can't sweep it under the carpet, out of the way. Something has to give, there are too many people supporting the cause.
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a senile fungus
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Batwing it is... I can't be bothered to polish aluminum right now lol, and this actually works quite well. The lights seem to buzz more horizontally, but maybe it just needs to burn in this orientation for a few hours.
Not sure how close to have it, starting at this distance I guess...
Its been on for over an hour, the reflector is slightly warm to the touch directly above the bulb, not hot, slightly warm. In fact, in that open space above the counter, my temps have gone down nearly 10°F by removing the fluoro panel. These lights continue to amaze...
@GroErr no adapter needed because my bulbs are the 4200k that run on the mogul socket. the batwing came with the socket, just plug and play. Well I had to cut the cord and wire it direct to the ballast, but that's no biggie.
GroErr
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Hey great news senile, cheap way to get some reflection going
Guess you'll just need to watch them for distance, looks like around 20-24", I've heard of some folks vegging as far away as 36" with these and get up to 5x5' coverage but have no experience with vegging with them.On the subject of mogul socket bulbs. I haven't been able to find a Canadian supplier for the Allstart bulbs in this format and I don't think they're even available in the Elite Agro's. Can you let me know where you got the mogul socket bulb? I tried advanced but they steered me towards the 330w which is too big for my purpose (testing in my 2x2x4' tent). I've been looking for a 145w Allstart or a way to get a 210w Elite Agro bulb running in the tent. I've found a third party 210w bulb/ballast out of the US for about $150 shipped but they haven't confirmed whether it's the Elite Agro, there seem to be some other OEM's making similar bulbs but not sure if they're as efficient/good.
GroErr
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Apologies for the lack of pics the last few days, been re-loading the flower room, up-potting the next round, cleaning in between and started harvesting. Some late nights and sore back but the next round is setup and should be awesome Should get some pics tonight.
In the meantime, I did remember to capture the LED "wake-up" lights that come on 10 min before the CMH. In theory this wakes them up faster, idk if it's doing much but it's only 65w so leaving them to see how a few strains finish before I decide whether it's worthwhile. Really highlights the reflectivity of the room, wholly crap, 65w actual watts of 630/660nm in the middle of the room...
Should get some pics tonight.In the meantime, I did remember to capture the LED "wake-up" lights that come on 10 min before the CMH. In theory this wakes them up faster, idk if it's doing much but it's only 65w so leaving them to see how a few strains finish before I decide whether it's worthwhile. Really highlights the reflectivity of the room, wholly crap, 65w actual watts of 630/660nm in the middle of the room...
a senile fungus
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I got mine from advanced, its the 315w ED37 base, 4200K Philips bulb and ballast combo.
If it's because you're Canadian (no offense) I could always ship it to my house then it to you...
I'll hook up my other CMH to the batwing and run it on dim mode to show the difference to you.
GroErr
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No they come on 10 min before and shut off with the CMH at the end of the cycle. The plan is to add some IR 730nm to run for 5-10 min after lights out. Based on what I'm seeing with the reds I won't need much wattage, thinking around 20w will do it in the middle of the room. Favouring a BML bar but won't be putting it in for a couple of months, committed to the 12/12 from seed comp for another 12 weeks or so, maybe sooner if that sole reg seed I have going turns male...
GroErr
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Yeah thought you had gone through advanced, they really didn't listen well to what I needed and suggested to go with the 315 or 330's, in a 2x2x4' tent
Thanks for the offer but not in a huge hurry, will do some more searching locally, maybe see if a local hydro shop can source them for me.I've run the 210w bulb in my fixture for a couple of weeks a while back when I was running a single 7gal Blue Dream under one of them and there's not a huge difference in brightness.
a senile fungus
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Yeah thought you had gone through advanced, they really didn't listen well to what I needed and suggested to go with the 315 or 330's, in a 2x2x4' tent
I've run the 210w bulb in my fixture for a couple of weeks a while back when I was running a single 7gal Blue Dream under one of them and there's not a huge difference in brightness.
Its a hit or miss with them. Advanced is a one man shop, sometimes he'll talk on the phone with me for a while, sometimes he seems pressed for time.
Yeah, he recommended far too much light for that tent, almost seems as if you'd be better off just making an LED panel for it?
I've been looking at LED but I'm not very good at soldering and am trying to piece something together lol
GroErr
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Yeah, he responded fine but obviously didn't hear what I was trying to do, there's no way I could manage 315/330w in there?
I'm good with LED's, running them in there now, and have some COBs to build which will likely end up in there. I just wanted to try lower wattage CMH in there but availability is spotty in the lower wattage
GroErr
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Veg update, busy week in the tent/cabinet.
The tent now holds the 4x Blue Dreams. Up-potted them to 5gal fabrics and trellised them in. Nicely spread out now, no more training, will just let them settle in as I'll be flowering them within 10 days or so. possibly a few more days, I want the center shoots to be at the top of the trellises before the flip. Changed the lights to 20/4 in there to speed things up a bit. This is the round I'll be pushing the CMH to 3.5 x 3.5 or 3x4' to see what kind of weight it can produce, will be targeting 16oz. idk if it's doable in my current setup/style but will give it a shot.
Cabinet has the balance of the smaller vegging plants. 2x PPP x Blueberry pheno hunts in 2gal, the one in the center is looking sweet, huge leaves, that 9 finger leaf trait on the main, and more importantly a strong/spicy smell. The 2 I just flowered were just Ok, the 5 gal is a huge plant and producer but just nothing special in smell so I culled the clone and will try these 2 new one's. The last 2gal is a clone from the JTR x Blueberry 5gal flowering right now, good pheno so far with a very sweet blueberry creamsicle smell, looking like a good producer as well. I put the tomato cages on just before the pics so they're flattened out a bit for a couple of days. Hoping to keep them all at 20" max from the floor so I can run all 3 of them in the LED tent in ~2 weeks. Turned the lights down to 16/8 in hopes of just holding them where they are + an inch or two. The smallest one in 1gal is a JTR clone which I'll just be using to clone and likely run it plus the other 1gal Harlequin in 7gal pots eventually (~another 8 weeks to veg).
And some clones going to begin building a couple of rounds down the road. Basically 2 of each pheno/strain I want to keep other than JTR and Harlequin pheno 1 which I'll clone in about 4 weeks.
Cheers
The tent now holds the 4x Blue Dreams. Up-potted them to 5gal fabrics and trellised them in. Nicely spread out now, no more training, will just let them settle in as I'll be flowering them within 10 days or so. possibly a few more days, I want the center shoots to be at the top of the trellises before the flip. Changed the lights to 20/4 in there to speed things up a bit. This is the round I'll be pushing the CMH to 3.5 x 3.5 or 3x4' to see what kind of weight it can produce, will be targeting 16oz. idk if it's doable in my current setup/style but will give it a shot.
Cabinet has the balance of the smaller vegging plants. 2x PPP x Blueberry pheno hunts in 2gal, the one in the center is looking sweet, huge leaves, that 9 finger leaf trait on the main, and more importantly a strong/spicy smell. The 2 I just flowered were just Ok, the 5 gal is a huge plant and producer but just nothing special in smell so I culled the clone and will try these 2 new one's. The last 2gal is a clone from the JTR x Blueberry 5gal flowering right now, good pheno so far with a very sweet blueberry creamsicle smell, looking like a good producer as well. I put the tomato cages on just before the pics so they're flattened out a bit for a couple of days. Hoping to keep them all at 20" max from the floor so I can run all 3 of them in the LED tent in ~2 weeks. Turned the lights down to 16/8 in hopes of just holding them where they are + an inch or two. The smallest one in 1gal is a JTR clone which I'll just be using to clone and likely run it plus the other 1gal Harlequin in 7gal pots eventually (~another 8 weeks to veg).
And some clones going to begin building a couple of rounds down the road. Basically 2 of each pheno/strain I want to keep other than JTR and Harlequin pheno 1 which I'll clone in about 4 weeks.
Cheers
genuity
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I added civil twilight to my flower room.....
Regular lights turn off 1/2hr early,and a 8 bulb t5 kicks on,to finish off the 12/12 time.
Same for the on time...t5 kicks on for 1/2hr,then the regular lights.
GroErr
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That's an interesting setup, there seems to be some solid science around the 730nm at the end of the cycle but the beginning (what I'm trying with the 630/660nm) I haven't been able to find much. Don't think it can hurt easing them in/out of the full spectrum, or just the change in spectrum may have some benefits. Haven't seen any negative effects with this 10 min before the main lights, all the strains seem to have responded well, just no control strains other than the JTR I have going and it's a monster for a JTR
Cheers.
GroErr
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Flower room update. Got the new 3x3 setup in there, last night was Day 3, already starting to show stretch.
There's 2x 5gal Blue Pyramid clones, 1st clone generation, did some additional training to see if I can bump up production with this strain. It's probably the strongest smelling and tasting weed I've ever smoked, something considering I've been at this for 30+ years. Production was a little low for 5gal's though (1.9 oz.), looking to bump these to 2.5+ oz. per plant. The smaller/shorter one is a THC Bomb clone, last run for this one, the smoke, taste, smell are good but nothing like my JTR, Harlequin or Blue pyramid phenos, getting more selective as there's only so much room so new strains/phenos will have to be something exceptional to make the cut. Looks like I'll have to make some room for the JTR x Blueberry pheno 1, will see when it's done but it's smelling like a winner
The 5gal 3x3 closest to the door is just wow, Day 46 of ~54-56 days, getting close. All 3 plants (JTR, JTR x Blueberry, PPP x Blueberry) are massive and have some solid weight to them. All are doing the lean now, had to tie a couple of the colas to the trellises to keep them from leaning @90 degrees The JTR x Blueberry (front/bottom in 1st pic) is smelling fantastic and could be a keeper if that smell carries into taste. Production wise it looks like a winner so we'll have to see in a couple of weeks once I try a sampler. The PPP x Blueberry is the one with that huge cola in the center but not cutting it for smell. We'll see but I don't think this is a keeper, certainly a producer but so far nothing special. Culled the clone so if it surprises me at the very end I could potentially re-veg it to grab a clone.
Cheers
There's 2x 5gal Blue Pyramid clones, 1st clone generation, did some additional training to see if I can bump up production with this strain. It's probably the strongest smelling and tasting weed I've ever smoked, something considering I've been at this for 30+ years. Production was a little low for 5gal's though (1.9 oz.), looking to bump these to 2.5+ oz. per plant. The smaller/shorter one is a THC Bomb clone, last run for this one, the smoke, taste, smell are good but nothing like my JTR, Harlequin or Blue pyramid phenos, getting more selective as there's only so much room so new strains/phenos will have to be something exceptional to make the cut. Looks like I'll have to make some room for the JTR x Blueberry pheno 1, will see when it's done but it's smelling like a winner
The 5gal 3x3 closest to the door is just wow, Day 46 of ~54-56 days, getting close. All 3 plants (JTR, JTR x Blueberry, PPP x Blueberry) are massive and have some solid weight to them. All are doing the lean now, had to tie a couple of the colas to the trellises to keep them from leaning @90 degrees
The JTR x Blueberry (front/bottom in 1st pic) is smelling fantastic and could be a keeper if that smell carries into taste. Production wise it looks like a winner so we'll have to see in a couple of weeks once I try a sampler. The PPP x Blueberry is the one with that huge cola in the center but not cutting it for smell. We'll see but I don't think this is a keeper, certainly a producer but so far nothing special. Culled the clone so if it surprises me at the very end I could potentially re-veg it to grab a clone.Cheers
Sativied
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That solid science exists a lot but is about (inducing flowering of LDPs faster) with far red indeed. It's about 730nm affecting Phytochrome B2 and not 660 affecting B1. Far red with an intensity of 5 µmol/m 2 /s for 1 hour is recommended for experiments. Less time with more powerful led, and more with weaker. Awesome picture in that red led by the way.
Read a lot about red and far red light and its influence on PM and bud rot yesterday, that alone makes me want to get some red leds...
Going to see if I can find some of those rings, they look exactly what I need (topped plants, going 4-6 colas per plant this run).
Love the flow you got in your grow.
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GroErr
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Hey Sativied, I'm comfortable with the 730nm, enough to invest in it, the timing/length/intensity is what we'll have to play around with to see the most benefit but the science makes a lot of sense. I was blown away by how much 65w of 630/660nm reds are being reflected in there, have kept forgetting to capture it and post it, pretty cool.
Hadn't read anything about reds/fr's effects on PM/mold. Haven't had any mold issues, it needs high RH to start/thrive and no issues there. The PM thing is interesting though, PM doesn't need high RH. You may have noticed a new (white) fan-looking unit in the left corner of the flower room, just put that in, it's a high end HEPA filter that's rated for like 300 sq/ft., hoping that helps keep it away, spring/end of winter is the worst for spores from what I've read. My area is so bad I had to cull some outdoor lilacs last year, they were just covered in it
Hate that shit.Those rings are the first I've used in early veg other than some much smaller 5" rings I've been using, these are a little better as they can go right through veg. Found them at the dollar store (my favourite grow supply shop!). Tried them this time in the smaller pots in veg and they worked out well, they fit well in 2/3 gal pots. For the 5gal/7gal and flowering I prefer the trellises, also dollar store and they just came back into stock for the season
RE: Flow, thanks, it's been cycling well the last few rounds and now that I have some extra veg space, pretty sure I'll be flowering in only 5/7gal in the main room room, 1/2/3 gal in the tent. Cheers.
Sativied
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Indeed, contrary to popular belief it doesn't need high RH. Rapid changing temps and/or overlapping leaves causing condensation is more commonly a cause or helping hand for pm. That and unhealthy plants.
Botrytis is widely spread here, just in the air and always something I need to keep an eye on. PM is very common too although I personally never had it (which is somewhat of a miracle by itself).
Both are a major concern in the greenhouse industry here as well so a lot of research and testing is done. Although there's relevant research in english as well (quick example) I ran into some good research in dutch based on side-by-side tests in a led testing center. Gathering some different resources, will make an english post in the led/lighting forum soon. Could be important especially if you grow with more blue / less red than hps.
GroErr
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Absolutely, I have to watch any indica-dom strains and do light defoliation from time to time to make sure they're not breeding it. Sat-doms seem to be much better at resisting it, I've heard theories that those with high limonene are more resistant and many sats have higher amounts, e.g. JTR which seems almost immune to PM. That high RH causing PM thing is getting old, I see it quoted all the time and don't even bother responding, just another internet myth imo. It certainly wouldn't help but I've seen it show up on some Indica's at 35% RH, if that's high RH we're all in trouble
Thanks for the link, interesting article, saved the .pdf, will look for the other posts, cheers.
GroErr
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Haven't seen anything on IR before lights on, considering the science behind it (IR/730nm), it could potentially be detrimental. But then again, not enough factual data/papers available on the subject. Sometimes things like this don't make a lot of sense because we don't have all the information or it's only been studied from one angle. I was a little hesitant to try IR before lights on based on anything I've read, but those articles/papers were also focusing on having them on 5-10 minutes AFTER the main lights go off and effectively giving them a longer lights-off period.