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GroErr

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natureboygrower said:
the method i use is a bit involved.im running it through lab equipment but you could try the QWET method,or like GroErr,i believe he uses kief?
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I do use kief, it's just my preferred method because it's easy to extract, clean (no solvents) and readily available. I don't know that the extraction method to get the concentrates makes as much difference as getting the cooking and potency right, regardless of the method you use to get there. In the end you're just trying to get the cannabinoids extracted from the plant material and converted into an edible form. Whether it's butter, gummies, caps, candies, chocolate if it's cooked/converted properly they provide the same benefits in the right dosage.
 
Evil-Mobo

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GroErr said:
I do use kief, it's just my preferred method because it's easy to extract, clean (no solvents) and readily available. I don't know that the extraction method to get the concentrates makes as much difference as getting the cooking and potency right, regardless of the method you use to get there. In the end you're just trying to get the cannabinoids extracted from the plant material and converted into an edible form. Whether it's butter, gummies, caps, candies, chocolate if it's cooked/converted properly they provide the same benefits in the right dosage.
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Yeah my thing here G is this. How do I know what the dose is?

If I use an ounce of my material right I can break it down, but I do not have a way for testing potency so what's the THC concentration to make capsules from Kief? This would by far be the easiest way.
 
GroErr

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Evil-Mobo said:
Yeah my thing here G is this. How do I know what the dose is?

If I use an ounce of my material right I can break it down, but I do not have a way for testing potency so what's the THC concentration to make capsules from Kief? This would by far be the easiest way.
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The biggest factor in how strong/concentrated your kief is will be your starting material. That could be anywhere from 20-60%, it's typically going to fall in the 40-50% THC range. but you're extracting more than just THC, terpenes and cannabinoids besides THC are being extracted and the mix of cannabinoids is more important ime than strictly THC levels. You can smoke a 18% THC bud and it can get you higher or have more body effects than something with 25% THC. Kief is easy to extract and mix, so when you mix multiple strains together you're getting a mix of cannabinoids from various strains and you're more likely to get benefits.

Regardless of the starting material or how strong the kief may be, you can control the dosage in mg by how much kief you use in the caps recipe. e.g. The recipe I've posted before (attached) has instructions to make 100mg caps based on 3 tspsns. of coconut oil and 2.3g of kief, making ~21 caps. You divide 2.3g by 21 caps = 109mg. If you want to double up the dose you'd use 4.6g of kief and leave everything else the same to produce 200mg caps.

In your case your tolerance seems to be fairly high, if you adjust your dosage (more or less kief in the same amount of coconut oil) you could make 75mg caps and take 1, then 2, even 3 to test your tolerance the first time, then make the next batch at whatever dosage makes sense for you. I typically make 75's and take those nightly. If I want to get blasted I take 2 of those and I'm waking up still a little cloudy 10 hours later. My GF on the other hand doesn't smoke and has a low tolerance, my 75's will send her flying for 12 hours so I make 25's for her which just acts as a sleeping pill and barely gets her "high" which is what she doesn't like (why she doesn't smoke, she gets too paranoid when she gets high). But it puts her to sleep like a baby after 3-4 hours.
 

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GroErr said:
The biggest factor in how strong/concentrated your kief is will be your starting material. That could be anywhere from 20-60%, it's typically going to fall in the 40-50% THC range. but you're extracting more than just THC, terpenes and cannabinoids besides THC are being extracted and the mix of cannabinoids is more important ime than strictly THC levels. You can smoke a 18% THC bud and it can get you higher or have more body effects than something with 25% THC. Kief is easy to extract and mix, so when you mix multiple strains together you're getting a mix of cannabinoids from various strains and you're more likely to get benefits.

Regardless of the starting material or how strong the kief may be, you can control the dosage in mg by how much kief you use in the caps recipe. e.g. The recipe I've posted before (attached) has instructions to make 100mg caps based on 3 tspsns. of coconut oil and 2.3g of kief, making ~21 caps. You divide 2.3g by 21 caps = 109mg. If you want to double up the dose you'd use 4.6g of kief and leave everything else the same to produce 200mg caps.

In your case your tolerance seems to be fairly high, if you adjust your dosage (more or less kief in the same amount of coconut oil) you could make 75mg caps and take 1, then 2, even 3 to test your tolerance the first time, then make the next batch at whatever dosage makes sense for you. I typically make 75's and take those nightly. If I want to get blasted I take 2 of those and I'm waking up still a little cloudy 10 hours later. My GF on the other hand doesn't smoke and has a low tolerance, my 75's will send her flying for 12 hours so I make 25's for her which just acts as a sleeping pill and barely gets her "high" which is what she doesn't like (why she doesn't smoke, she gets too paranoid when she gets high). But it puts her to sleep like a baby after 3-4 hours.
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You rock brother thanks for this information. And sorry for my bad memory (meds) I know we have discussed this before. But this is the most sense it has made (taking less pharma shit, clearer head). :hump:

So you use the buckets for your kief? Trim dry, wet? Etc.......I'm close to harvesting another so curious.
 
GroErr

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Evil-Mobo said:
You rock brother thanks for this information. And sorry for my bad memory (meds) I know we have discussed this before. But this is the most sense it has made (taking less pharma shit, clearer head). :hump:

So you use the buckets for your kief? Trim dry, wet? Etc.......I'm close to harvesting another so curious.
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For the kief you're using screens, the buckets/bags are for making ice hash.

For caps I use 150-180 micron which produces a good return and clean enough for using in caps. You can use finer screen if you want to smoke it and get higher quality but less yield. 150-160 micron is a good size between yield and quality.

Over time I've found that the best returns come from fresh frozen trim, I use a rough chopper then run that across the screen. Light pressure rubbing it across the screen drops the kief through and lands on a sheet of parchment paper that I lay under the screen.

I bought some stainless screen through e-bay a long time ago, here's a sample below that could make one large screen or two 12x18" which is a decent size:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/100-mesh-150-micron-12-x36-Stainless-Steel-Screen-dry-ice-bucket-/272400051375?hash=item3f6c4eecaf:g:rjQAAOSwHjNV-Or3

I made a frame to fit the screen with 1x2" wood I had sitting around. Cut 4x 1x2" pieces to make a rectangular frame around the outside dimensions of the screen. Place the screen between them and screw them together. Done. You get about 3/4" space under the screen with 1x2" wood or 1.5" space using 2x2" wood. Cut a piece of parchment paper to fit under the screen and rub the rough ground trim across it. When you're finished lift the screen and you have a bunch of sift sitting on the parchment paper. I use an icing knife from the dollar store to scrape and bunch it up into a pile ready to use.
 
GroErr

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Week 7 for the 6x 3gal and Week 6 for the Panama's. Was getting a bit concerned that these 3 gal's were maturing a bit fast and not getting density but that's changed in the last couple of days :) Colas are tightening up and putting more weight on. Panama's just keep getting bigger budz :mrgreen:

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Cheers :bigjoint:
 
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Next round coming up in a couple of weeks, they were all up-potted from party cups over the last few days. There's 3x Fireball regs (back-left) and 7x Skunk #1 regs (balance of 1gal's) from seed. The 2gal's in between them are Blue Harley, Blue Pyramid and Blue Ripper x Blue Dream clones. Will be looking for a potential keeper and male from the SK#1's. How many, pot size and when they flower will depend on sexing but plan is to filter out the males and clone before flipping in ~2 weeks.

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Cheers :bigjoint:
 
Evil-Mobo

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I'm pretty set on which of my two males I will be using just waiting on a cut to arrive and to take a cut and thinking of throwing one of the Fem purple envy girls I won in the gorilla seed contest in there too.

Oh and FYI I'm a younger person but my heart for MJ has always been with the land race strains and a project like you're attempting here is something I want to try myself some day good luck!
 
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Javadog

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7 weeks. Nice! I do not typically worry about cycle length (tho the 20 weeks of Old Timer's Haze
is nutso) but many do use that as another measure. I like that frost. :0)
 
GroErr

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SSGrower said:
Nice, you need a tripod. They arent that expensive and if you dont have one, who knows? A fairy might drop one off?
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Lol, I have 2 but they don't fit in there very well when the room's full and I don't move them until they're harvested. So it's the blurry pics or nothing ;)
 
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Javadog said:
7 weeks. Nice! I do not typically worry about cycle length (tho the 20 weeks of Old Timer's Haze
is nutso) but many do use that as another measure. I like that frost. :0)
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Yeah 7-8 weeks is nice. Have to keep up with veggers though ;) Those Panama's will run 10-11 weeks, the one back right has solid buds and lots of them, going to be quite a haul off that one :)
I keep track of times to measure changes in behaviour and time my veg cycles.
 
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Last pic of the full room before I start a staggered harvest. Day 53 for the 6x 3 gal, Day 46 for the 5 gal Panama's.

For some perspective on those Panama's. The "small" 3 gal plants are taking ~3x5' and average 30-32" in height from the soil. The 2x Panama's are taking ~2 1/2 x 3 1/2' and tallest colas are about 42" from the soil :D

If they go 11 weeks those colas are going to have to be tied to the racks in the ceiling to hold them up :shock:

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Cheers :bigjoint:
 
ttystikk

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GroErr said:
Last pic of the full room before I start a staggered harvest. Day 53 for the 6x 3 gal, Day 46 for the 5 gal Panama's.

For some perspective on those Panama's. The "small" 3 gal plants are taking ~3x5' and average 30-32" in height from the soil. The 2x Panama's are taking ~2 1/2 x 3 1/2' and tallest colas are about 42" from the soil :D

If they go 11 weeks those colas are going to have to be tied to the racks in the ceiling to hold them up :shock:

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Cheers :bigjoint:
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Wow! Nice run!
 
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