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Greenthumbs256

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I don't need AC, thankfully.
But it sure would make my environment easier to control.

400w dehumidifier blows heat, which is unhelpful...
I love my ac! I use it for dehumidifing even tho I still have high rh sometimes and it's just nice to have everything set I don't have to go in my room for days at a time if I don't want to! (even tho I do lol) everything is automated lights fans Temps and I'm organic so that's even less that I have to do! I basically don't do shit! I water and stick my big nosey head in the room 100 tines a day and that's it!
 

Tangerine_

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How are the smells on your Tomahawks?
The terps were kinda weak while growing but during harvest it got super loud and after a couple wk cure it changed to an acrid funk. This is one of the smells I have the hardest time describing.

It doesn't smell like roasted fresh coffee but it does have that same sharp bitter acrid smell. I can see how others associate it with coffee but to me, its not quite the same odor. Similar but not really. (if that makes sense)
 

Cheesy Bo' Greesy

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You really think GPS has this potential? Gu didn’t even select his male himself. They don’t even test their crosses, anyone buying new strains, congrats you’re the testers. Hell, I’m legitimately skeptical that they pop beans at all. He’s never used a male he produced. He’s never used a female he produced. You’re expecting him to start line breeding?!
Have no idea if GPS has the potential. Don't know the crew personally. It's pretty obvious we're the testers. The entire gig is in the beginning stages no mystery there. And from what you've said (if it's true) they are about at the level I thought they were lol. You can tell by growing out their gear.

Hoping to inspire them to take it to the next level. Because I see potential there. They are an American seedbank (we need more of them) with good customer service and they're affordable. How often does that happen?

I personally wont buy their beans again until something truly stable is offered in their line up. Said that before and sincerely meant it. But the keepers were stoney and people enjoy it! So going to throw the rest outdoors when the time is right and see what we come up with.
 

HydroRed

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You didn't ask me, but I'm on my 3rd round with Tomahawk and haven't had any problems cloning it...so far. To be honest, I'm kinda just waiting for it to happen though.

GG4 has many reports of "dudding" and peeps have had very poor rooting rates. You might have a GG dom plant? If your JP is rooting fine in the same cloner this might be the cause.

For more info check ICMag or possibly here. I think I read @HydroRed had some issues with his gg4 clone. Sometimes its due to the health of the mother and sometimes its just a branch or two that duds.

There's a lot of theories surrounding it and those threads can give you a more in depth answer than I can.

Hope this helps
@Greenthumbs256
I had some issues with rooting my GG4 cuts so you may have a GG dom Tomahawk? It takes me no less than 14 days to get transplantable root masses on my cuttings of GG4 when cuts from other strains in the same setup take 7 days. I've had many tell me they have no issues quickly rooting their GG4 but no matter how I do it (bubble cloner/tray and plugs etc) I cant get transplantable roots in less than 14 days. I've come to terms lol
 

Tangerine_

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It depends on the situation.
Heat isn't always a bad thing, but my grow area is a bit unusual.

Has anyone tried to dial in temperature by adjusting power at the drivers? That would be a fun LED experiment.
Hell you could even automate it.

I've played with exhaust fan speeds, but the scrubber doesn't work as well on low...
This is my issue. 9 months of the yr my room is vented into my home and I like the extra heat.
I'll probably make the switch eventually but I'm in no hurry.
My room has a "few" lights and I've never had to use AC. Just a dehuey for roughly 6wks of the yr.
 

Greenthumbs256

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@Greenthumbs256
I had some issues with rooting my GG4 cuts so you may have a GG dom Tomahawk? It takes me no less than 14 days to get transplantable root masses on my cuttings of GG4 when cuts from other strains in the same setup take 7 days. I've had many tell me they have no issues quickly rooting their GG4 but no matter how I do it (bubble cloner/tray and plugs etc) I cant get transplantable roots in less than 14 days. I've come to terms lol
So what do you do??? I can't afford to buy 10 packs of it! I like to find a pheno then clone the piss out of it! There has to be some way to make cloning easier!
 

sourgummy

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Nah bro you don't make any sense because you are just wasting money, LEDs do not pay for themselves in one run. I pay 11 cents per kwh here in colorado, and have a 14k btu portable a/c unit and a mini split, how are you going to save me money on an investment that would cost me thousands, there's no savings in trying to return pennies, what do you live in Hawaii or somewhere that's over priced electric otherwise you have wasted your money.
I run my veg area off two plug ins. Not a big area. I run lights, a cloner at times, and a fan. Thats it. No need for ac. I've saved 80 per month compared to what i needed to do to cover the same area with adequate light. times that by 10 months, and there is the entire cost of those led's. Boom.

Anyways, plenty of this stuff in the other parts of the forum, so I won't clutter here with more responses. I am glad to hear you got a setup that you like and works for you.
 

klx

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Chopped my other 2 Gunslinger phenos at Day 70.

GS4 started to herm. Looks pretty, but pretty standard chem stink

GS4.jpg

GS3 - Only potential keeper. The smell has changed to a sweet, candy, apricot very pleasant. Could have gone another week but I dont want anything runs over 10 weeks so will see how she smokes up.

GS3.jpg
 

whytewidow

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Nah bro you don't make any sense because you are just wasting money, LEDs do not pay for themselves in one run. I pay 11 cents per kwh here in colorado, and have a 14k btu portable a/c unit and a mini split, how are you going to save me money on an investment that would cost me thousands, there's no savings in trying to return pennies, what do you live in Hawaii or somewhere that's over priced electric otherwise you have wasted your money.
I have less than 550 bucks in my led setup. Adjustable from about 245-50 watts to 925 watts. DIY setup. I save a ton. My light was paid for after its first run. Plus I saved even more bc I dont have to run A.C. now. Leds if built right and run right can more than pay for themselves easily.
 

whytewidow

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Now factor in the cost of fans, ventilation, tools and bits to cut holes to run it, the need for much more AC, the need to change 100-200$ bulbs every 6 months, and the need to replace reflectors at minimum every 2 years and best at 1 year (guaranteed 10% light loss in first year), oh and repairs if you are renting (hopefully you run a light where the whole hood doesn't have to be replaced and you can just replace the reflector...). I am not going to even try to calculate ac use for a home grower using a room...It's less savings of course if you have a split.

It adds up big time and quickly. 200-400$ on bulbs alone a year and 100$ minimum for reflector vs. 1200 bucks up front for a light you never have to do this shit with that covers the same area and has full spectrum so yield and veg is BETTER. We are talking prebuilt top of the line. You can build your own for huge savings. Building your own easily saves you half the cost.

An average 4k watt house grow in South East states cost 700$-900$ (depends on state) in electric a month to run. Cut that in half and you have 400$ in electric savings a MONTH (even a third is great money if you want to be conservative in estimate). I ran multiple homes for years in multiple SE US states so I know the average cost.

You are way off base when it comes to 10 bucks a month on electricity savings when your electric bill is cut in half due to moving to LEDS....

400 x 12 = 4800$ a year savings in power Even if it only saved you a 1/4 or a third the power the savings are big.

100-200 PER LIGHT 4k watts = 4 lights for bulb replacement twice a year.

Why keep doing math? Save money and go led.
I went from running two 320 watt mh in veg and two 400watt hps and mars 292 reflector in flower. Plus two ac units. My electrical cost monthly were in excess of $450-500 a month. Since switching all to LEDs and doing away with the two ac units. My electrical bill has been under 220 bucks a month since the switch. So I know I'm saving money. In the short run and definitely in the long run.
 

40AmpstoFreedom

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The terps were kinda weak while growing but during harvest it got super loud and after a couple wk cure it changed to an acrid funk. This is one of the smells I have the hardest time describing.

It doesn't smell like roasted fresh coffee but it does have that same sharp bitter acrid smell. I can see how others associate it with coffee but to me, its not quite the same odor. Similar but not really. (if that makes sense)
So, you are saying I should cross is to Bubba Katsu cut and my Blockhead x Bubba heh? Coffee Coffee Coffee and indescribable funk sounds like a good mix. Thanks for detail profile.
 

whytewidow

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LED's are a breeze to build! No need for all the "bells" and "whistles" either. Bare bones works great. lol
I couldn't agree more. I made my frame and rack as si.ple and cheap as I possibly could. I made my own heat sinks. Out of 2x2 heavy square aluminum tubing. And cut 3 sides every inch. Mounted the led strip on the one uncut side. Super simple super cheap. And super effective. I'd honestly have to say my light heatsinks run leds cooler than real heat sinks.
 

Goats22

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I have watched some of his videos I just don't get that stuff and I don't wanna have to work to build a light that already costing me hundreds of bucks! Sorry but like I said I'm happy with hps, and until led can match the price and quality I'll stick with my hps!
match quality? have you grown with both hps and QBs? if you haven't grown with QBs then how can you have an opinion on the quality they produce? i grew with hps for almost 10 years before switching to QBs and saw a very clear increase in quality running cuts i had run multiple times in the exact same setup under hps.
 

Tangerine_

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@tatonka I could stuff a cone with just two or three of those frosty calyxes. Beautiful!
Chopped my other 2 Gunslinger phenos at Day 70.

GS4 started to herm. Looks pretty, but pretty standard chem stink

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GS3 - Only potential keeper. The smell has changed to a sweet, candy, apricot very pleasant. Could have gone another week but I dont want anything runs over 10 weeks so will see how she smokes up.

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Both of those look way better than the pic on the GP website. Nicely done!
 

Tangerine_

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So, you are saying I should cross is to Bubba Katsu cut and my Blockhead x Bubba heh? Coffee Coffee Coffee and indescribable funk sounds like a good mix. Thanks for detail profile.
That would be a great cross.
I love and miss those terps.
The Tomahawk is coffee but not the Bubba kinda roasted coffee.
Think bitter, tangy (shitty) Columbian coffee that's gone stale. I wish I could describe it better. I'm holding the jar right now and a buddy of mine says its woodsy too. Whatever the hell that means, lol.
We're kinda baked and little bit tipsy.
 
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40AmpstoFreedom

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I really hope ur right! I have heard a lot about the new cobs and stuff even have 2 qb's in my shopping cart! I've wanted to switch for a good year just to do a side by side for myself I love experimenting! Its just that upfront cost I'm small and poor lol well not poor but poor enough!
Side by side will change your opinions on quality and yield as long as you are using full spectrum cobs. Cobs going full spectrum was what brought me to finally change. Spectrum was no longer a worry at that point and in fact improved with more usable blue and red as well. Your lower buds will be much tighter, your node structure will be much tighter, your stretch will be a little less, and your yield should slightly increase due to the lowers improving. I cannot tell a difference in trichome production with the naked eye, but I can damn sure say there certainly is no loss. This is my personal experience. No way scientific, but I can assure you I damn sure as a producer am not taking a loss for switching over. I wouldn't put up with that all. I feel my yields are increased around 10%. Coming up I will be able to definitively test this but it is 6 months out. I am working on some extremely high yield commercial varieties for breeding and will be testing clones under different sets of lights just to see what I pull on every 4x4.
 
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