Greenpoint seeds!!

Bodyne said:

got 3 gmoozy beans up and goin, they were the most vigorious of the seedlings next to the gmocake. All originated from same place. Those fems are poppin outta my plugs in one day, so I dont think there's any problem with any gmoozy seeds, jme

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It's not. If the guy had researched them the gmoozy was made with gmo and adub. Those plants will stretch like crazy from birth so you have to support or replant the roots lower in the pots. He let em go and they fell over after they sprouted. A mold issue would have resulted in the seed tap emerging but it would have rotted in the shell. If those seeds broke ground it was 100 percent grower error. Heisen is using vigorous, big plants and the majority are needing support especially at younger stages.
Also a weak light after germination would result in the super stretching at birth

Dats my bike punk said:

It's not. If the guy had researched them the gmoozy was made with gmo and adub. Those plants will stretch like crazy from birth so you have to support or replant the roots lower in the pots. He let em go and they fell over after they sprouted. A mold issue would have resulted in the seed tap emerging but it would have rotted in the shell. If those seeds broke ground it was 100 percent grower error. Heisen is using vigorous, big plants and the majority are needing support especially at younger stages.
Also a weak light after germination would result in the super stretching at birth

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Mine rotted in shell, but it would have been nice for the grow advice coming from grower...I asked for help numerous times with no luck just smartass answers.

Dats my bike punk said:

It's not. If the guy had researched them the gmoozy was made with gmo and adub. Those plants will stretch like crazy from birth so you have to support or replant the roots lower in the pots. He let em go and they fell over after they sprouted. A mold issue would have resulted in the seed tap emerging but it would have rotted in the shell. If those seeds broke ground it was 100 percent grower error. Heisen is using vigorous, big plants and the majority are needing support especially at younger stages.
Also a weak light after germination would result in the super stretching at birth

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That's good to know. Thought it was my conditions. I did support for a couple weeks till they toughened up.

OkieSmoke said:

Mine rotted in shell, but it would have been nice for the grow advice coming from grower...I asked for help numerous times with no luck just smartass answers.

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Did you try and email heisen directly? Gu is pretty busy but always makes time for his customers and he had to have a good reason to block you. Maybe a little patience and I'm sure you could have had it worked out. I've seen greenpoint go beyond the call of duty to make customers happy and I'm 100 percent sure if you had a problem he would have taken care of you. Some times growers can make small mistakes and the first to blame is the seeds. Maybe you had a pathogen on your hands when handling the seeds? I've seen heisens garden in pictures, videos and person and I can assure you he has no mold or any other issues that would cause that.
Maybe an apology to gu and you guys can restart over and work it out.

Dropped one gmoozy and she is doing fine. My issues began with purple punch. Out of six two
sprouted. The rest did nothing. Duds. Sat in soil for two weeks didn’t open. The two that did emerge promptly died in less then a week.

I contacted GU to let them know because I received an email asking to review purple punch. Didn’t just want to drop a negative but honest review out of the blue. Wasn’t hearing back so I left my review. Guess what all. They won’t post negative reviews. Why even bother having a review option if you only accept the positives? Once I got a nice female I was going to leave an honest review about them. Kept getting males I culled so haven’t had much to review aside from they were nice beautiful plants with vigorous growth but couldn’t speak to the flowers so I held off.

After my non posted review I did receive a help desk email. It detailed their sorting process and explained how they strive for 100% germination and rarely have issues and a link to a germination guide. It also asked if they could send a replacement. I emailed back and accepted that offer and then nothing further happened. No acknowledgement, no beans.

I liked greenpoint and would have continued purchasing but I won’t anymore at this point. It really appears they don’t care. Every seed from greenpoint breeding I’ve planted popped. Every one. I honestly believe it’s a heisen issue but I bought them through greenpoint so the buck stops with them. It’s just disappointing.

Stack of 225 emails in the inbox, everyone is always gotten too.

Your replacement email will be gotten to

PagingMrHerman said:

Dropped one gmoozy and she is doing fine. My issues began with purple punch. Out of six two
sprouted. The rest did nothing. Duds. Sat in soil for two weeks didn’t open. The two that did emerge promptly died in less then a week.

I contacted GU to let them know because I received an email asking to review purple punch. Didn’t just want to drop a negative but honest review out of the blue. Wasn’t hearing back so I left my review. Guess what all. They won’t post negative reviews. Why even bother having a review option if you only accept the positives? Once I got a nice female I was going to leave an honest review about them. Kept getting males I culled so haven’t had much to review aside from they were nice beautiful plants with vigorous growth but couldn’t speak to the flowers so I held off.

After my non posted review I did receive a help desk email. It detailed their sorting process and explained how they strive for 100% germination and rarely have issues and a link to a germination guide. It also asked if they could send a replacement. I emailed back and accepted that offer and then nothing further happened. No acknowledgement, no beans.

I liked greenpoint and would have continued purchasing but I won’t anymore at this point. It really appears they don’t care. Every seed from greenpoint breeding I’ve planted popped. Every one. I honestly believe it’s a heisen issue but I bought them through greenpoint so the buck stops with them. It’s just disappointing.

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Exactly my experience with gps. Thank you for posting, now I am not the odd-duck out. I think he is pushing his plants too hard, because they either don't germ, die shortly after, or are mostly male. All these are signs of old males and females over pollinated by one male so they make all males to even out the population. Also some seeds are so small they cannot be seen without magnification, which is a sign of weak overworked females. His photo contest is also a complete joke and rigged from the start. Gu has no ethics and thinks everyone is stupid or something.

Gu~ said:

Stack of 225 emails in the inbox, everyone is always gotten too.

Your replacement email will be gotten to

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Just in case you don't understand, this reply is another of your smartass posts. Dude, you have really got to fix your people skills because you are a real asshole.

OkieSmoke said:

Quoted from earlier and what I was responding to.

Doesn't sound like the soil since all the other seeds grow fine.
It's possible gmoozy had some PM or other fungus on the mother plants that made the seeds. He dried them, harvested the beans and packaged them. Then when you plant the seeds, the spores on the shells and in the package grow and kill the sprouts.
Just a theory mind you, but if correct, a good wash with hydrogen peroxide and sterile handling procedures while planting may get you to success.

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PM is not systemic so it cannot be transferred from a mother to a seed. The odds of mildew spores hanging on a seed shell and creating a problem later are astronomically low. This just wouldn’t happen.

Dats my bike punk said:

Did you try and email heisen directly? Gu is pretty busy but always makes time for his customers and he had to have a good reason to block you. Maybe a little patience and I'm sure you could have had it worked out. I've seen greenpoint go beyond the call of duty to make customers happy and I'm 100 percent sure if you had a problem he would have taken care of you. Some times growers can make small mistakes and the first to blame is the seeds. Maybe you had a pathogen on your hands when handling the seeds? I've seen heisens garden in pictures, videos and person and I can assure you he has no mold or any other issues that would cause that.
Maybe an apology to gu and you guys can restart over and work it out.

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Did you suggest that I apologize??? Gu is the one who should apologize because I trusted him to have my back, and all I got was a really bad attitude and smartass remarks. After, all I am the customer and should be able to depend on any grower to give quality seeds and information.

OkieSmoke said:

Exactly my experience with gps. Thank you for posting, now I am not the odd-duck out. I think he is pushing his plants too hard, because they either don't germ, die shortly after, or are mostly male. All these are signs of old males and females over pollinated by one male so they make all males to even out the population. Also some seeds are so small they cannot be seen without magnification, which is a sign of weak overworked females. His photo contest is also a complete joke and rigged from the start. Gu has no ethics and thinks everyone is stupid or something.

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Bro science. So an old male will throw out more male plant? How?

Also how do you over work a female?

Not trying to be a dick but I can't just sit by while people throw out bunk info.

thenotsoesoteric said:

Bro science. So an old male will throw out more male plant? How?

Also how do you over work a female?

Not trying to be a dick but I can't just sit by while people throw out bunk info.

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Nature auto corrects for a lack of or abundance in any resource. If no males or females they will hermie to produce offspring. Plants adapt fast because they cannot move to an new environment. It is adapt and reproduce or die out. I have forgotten more about the science of nature than any weed seed pedler will ever know. Old males don't necessarily determine sex, but young males have stronger DNA thus better offspring. Over working female or producers is easy as any gardener will tell you. You always keep the plant lean and healthy. Two identical tomato plants one with 12 and the other with 6, and the one with 6 will make big and better fruit every time. The one with 12 will be small and stunted like gu's seeds just for example.

thenotsoesoteric said:

Bro science. So an old male will throw out more male plant? How?

Also how do you over work a female?

Not trying to be a dick but I can't just sit by while people throw out bunk info.

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btw...you are a dick for not even thinking about what I said, or maybe if you did, you are just a fucking dumbass???

OkieSmoke said:

Also some seeds are so small they cannot be seen without magnification, which is a sign of weak overworked females.

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Fuck thats small.....really.....magnification???

Hold old are your eyes?

Weak overworked females???Not following you on this one.

vertnugs said:

Fuck thats small.....really.....magnification???

Hold old are your eyes?

Weak overworked females???Not following you on this one.

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Trying to make too many seeds on one plant and or starving for nutrients.

So long assholes...I am so done with this shit.

OkieSmoke said:

Nature auto corrects for a lack of or abundance in any resource. If no males or females they will hermie to produce offspring. Plants adapt fast because they cannot move to an new environment. It is adapt and reproduce or die out. I have forgotten more about the science of nature than any weed seed pedler will ever know. Old males don't necessarily determine sex, but young males have stronger DNA thus better offspring. Over working female or producers is easy as any gardener will tell you. You always keep the plant lean and healthy. Two identical tomato plants one with 12 and the other with 6, and the one with 6 will make big and better fruit every time. The one with 12 will be small and stunted like gu's seeds just for example.

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Any sources to back up those claims?

Why do people get so butt hurt about being wrong?

BS=bro science

OkieSmoke said:

Trying to make too many seeds on one plant and or starving for nutrients.

So long assholes...I am so done with this shit.

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Gu~ said:

I read a book, maybe you should try it.

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does an audio book count?

OkieSmoke said:

The Gmoozy seeds because they had something wrong with them, and someone said mold or something which sounds right. Gu was a general asshole everytime we had contact! And Tank (so-called webmaster) was a real prick when he didn't like one of my reviews, and blocked me from the website...

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Great you are going to make me buy some Heisen seeds just to prove you wrong.