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morgwar

morgwar

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Porkymcchops said:
This is exactly what I thought!! It's one of the reasons I was all over the star dawg crosses. It's my understanding the dawg donates some really kick ass qualities to some already kick ass moms.




I was basically asking if anyone knew of strains from gu that they had noticed a slower growth REQUIRING a longer veg time to match what would be considered average to good yielding strain. I run perpetually so strains that NEED the extra veg just to compete with the other plants around it, will end up getting tossed regardless of how much I like it otherwise.

We all know that more veg time = bigger plant = more yield potential. I have plenty of room it's time that's a problem; most harvests per year type of thinking.. I have 8weeks - generally run about 55-65 days. With clones I know and love. But now I'm switching it all up and cracking these beans. Some may flower longer, some might want more veg to compete. Trying to get a handle on how they behave and plan accordingly.

Chemphlem answered my question saying no gps that he'd encountered had required any "special attention". He also said around 50 days. I have 50 days. Awesome. I want to hear people's experiences with these crosses. If anyone has grown these out and found that after their "normal" veg time they were smaller or had strange growth (lack of branching requiring a lot training - shit like that) of any kind effecting the veg cycle, Id like to know before cracking the seeds. That's all.
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I've found dynamite to need minor trellising, branches are a bit thin for the bud sizes,
but that may be a problem with my setup, ie nutes, soil, air, (overcrowding). the copper and dynamite both pretty much support they're own weight under the same conditions and soil.
Black gold is a lighter yield by a 3rd @ but has much higher trich production and harder more packed nuggets
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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those are good points. I speak of the opposite. Copper Chem does not need much vegging at all. as soon as she perks in her flowering container its time to switch. I'm flowering them at 10 inches and they stand five feet @ 50 days old(in flower). Chnook haze is a fine candidate for a 12/12 seed planting as its crazy wild in flower. jamoka seemed to veg slowest of them all so far, but that could be my habits too. she didnt stretch much in flower either.
 
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blu3bird

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The Stardawg BX1 I have is a 75-80 day finisher and if you veg these clones any longer than 2 weeks you'll end up with a 9 foot tall plant when flowering is done. Terrible floppy weak assed stem/branches. Sensitive to environment, does not like heat or being overcrowded. Poor/medium producer. Although a pain in my ass plant, it is fire smoke. I believe I just had an undesirable pheno from the seeds I started. I let this one go, it's not one I wanted to keep
Porkymcchops said:
This is exactly what I thought!! It's one of the reasons I was all over the star dawg crosses. It's my understanding the dawg donates some really kick ass qualities to some already kick ass moms.




I was basically asking if anyone knew of strains from gu that they had noticed a slower growth REQUIRING a longer veg time to match what would be considered average to good yielding strain. I run perpetually so strains that NEED the extra veg just to compete with the other plants around it, will end up getting tossed regardless of how much I like it otherwise.

We all know that more veg time = bigger plant = more yield potential. I have plenty of room it's time that's a problem; most harvests per year type of thinking.. I have 8weeks - generally run about 55-65 days. With clones I know and love. But now I'm switching it all up and cracking these beans. Some may flower longer, some might want more veg to compete. Trying to get a handle on how they behave and plan accordingly.

Chemphlem answered my question saying no gps that he'd encountered had required any "special attention". He also said around 50 days. I have 50 days. Awesome. I want to hear people's experiences with these crosses. If anyone has grown these out and found that after their "normal" veg time they were smaller or had strange growth (lack of branching requiring a lot training - shit like that) of any kind effecting the veg cycle, Id like to know before cracking the seeds. That's all.
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chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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CannaBruh said:
There is shitty yield from lack of vegetative growth prior to the onset of flower and then add to that there are shitty yielding varieties. The latter will always be shitty yielding no matter the increase in veg, sure increase veg increase yield, but the strain will still yield low as compared to another that yields higher.

Pioneer Kush, don't sleep on it
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was quality worth the time? (Pioneer Kush)
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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blu3bird said:
The Stardawg BX1 I have is a 75-80 day finisher and if you veg these clones any longer than 2 weeks you'll end up with a 9 foot tall plant when flowering is done. Terrible floppy weak assed stem/branches. Sensitive to environment, does not like heat or being overcrowded. Poor/medium producer. Although a pain in my ass plant, it is fire smoke. I believe I just had an undesirable pheno from the seeds I started. I let this one go, it's not one I wanted to keep
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I had a couple Copper Chems do this on me in my first pack. second pack was better results so far fems are uniform and smelled in veg too.
 
madininagyal

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chemphlegm said:
you had 6x the plants with 6 weeks less veg time right? makes sense to me. you would see the power savings and yield increase with more plants in same space. I used to do that for the added genetics in play but now I like less plants to work with.

if you took your 4 Criticals and vegged the next cycle for 2 weeks instead of 8 weeks, in 12 litre pots...let me know what the yield is compared to the 8 week veg...then we got something to compare equally. I already know the answer there, bet you do too?
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Forgot To say they where in 7l pot for veg and more bigger i would have trouble To manage my 3x3 (90cmx90cm) space so that would not have been possible
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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CannaBruh said:
Pioneer is very good. It's more stardawg than bubba and the coffee has gone morphed into more pepper but there's some sweet in there too.
The flowers are beautiful, darker in color, not purple but hues of darks and purples, blacks.
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Thanks for that. I passed on her so far/
whenever I see a description including something like " and X strain was used to boost the often reported lower potency of the spectacular Y strain ...coffee...flavor....." I go "meh" and move along lol and stick with the X strain instead....bongsmilie
 
Heisengrow

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chemphlegm said:
I get ya. but without putting any words in my mouth, or considering efficiency, impracticality, subpar lighting, training, space, plant health, controls, comparisons to other plants or cost I stand by this statement;

"the longer you veg the heavier the yield will be every time"
its simple really- veg one plant for two months or three months-which is heavier in the end? outside/inside makes no difference.
veg a plant outdoors for a month and flower, now veg the same one for three months and flower....=heavier weight?

I start with healthy plants. If two clones from the same mom are not uniform I begin again. two healthy clones from the same donor will grow the same next to each other, the one vegging longer will yield more every time. I've never heard anyone believe differently. If your resources are lacking then we have no comparisons. we need to be apples to apples with healthy like plants, c02, quality air feed water temps rh and controlled space. If i ws suffering any of my resources I am sure my results would differ, even from cycle to cycle. Controls make results repeatable.

I've proven it out with hundreds of strains.
Assuming all resources, including light, feed, water, temps, c02, rh are controlled properly it is true, Its been true here for hundreds of varieties. Send me a pack of your lightest yielders and I'll show ya. Sure some grow better under cfl's than others do, some grow taler with higher ceilings, or better temps, or with c02 even but....

the only fair comparison in this scene is two of the same strain side by side in optimal conditions. Veg one for 5 weeks and the other for 10 and your yields will be heavier from the longer vegged plant. Its not the plants fault it ran out of space, didnt have good enough light, or time.

more accurately to your point would have been to say some plants veg faster than others perhaps? I hope this clears it up
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Your point in mute brother.Ive already done what your talking about.I grow in all undercurrent recirculating and i grow alot of seeds for phenohunting.I can put 6 different plants in the same system and 1 or 2 are always going to outshine and yield more than the rest and all of these plants are in the same environment.You arguing you can make a low yeilding plant yield more by vegging it longer does not change its genetics.Some strains are just big yielders.They can produce more weight in any given time period than other plants grown in the same period.This is a fact that most experienced growers will agree with.
I get what your saying about making low yield plants yield more by vegging longer.But the point is and to alot of growers is if there plant is a high yielder or low yielder.
 
Heisengrow

Heisengrow

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Man reading about all these lanky skinny plants has me worried.I just grew some gorilla bomb that was shit.The smoke was fire but it was a pain in my ass.My favorite pheno of the bunch i could not keep the mom down.I tried to train her down.I tied and used metal clips to train this mom down to a size that was managable but she was just to skinny and stretchy and when i ran her in the main system all the tops fell over.I wont tolerate a lazy plant and will throw it out.All the stems were just to thin and the plant as a whole was just to lanky.
Now all the scotts OG i grew was bad ass.Nice fat stems and colas that stacked with nugs up 18 inches from the screen.My #12 was bad ass.she was the most frosty and also the biggest yielder so i kept her for sure.I just started a screen of her last week (6 plants).Her nugs were tight and dense which is what im looking for.I throw all airy budded plants straight in the trash.I cant stand foxtail buds and it takes all i got to even let them finish sometimes.
This was a side branch cola from my 12.I could have let her go another 2 weeks but this was a rare dankness hunt so i already had what i was looking for.

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chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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Heisengrow said:
Your point in mute brother.Ive already done what your talking about.I grow in all undercurrent recirculating and i grow alot of seeds for phenohunting.I can put 6 different plants in the same system and 1 or 2 are always going to outshine and yield more than the rest and all of these plants are in the same environment.You arguing you can make a low yeilding plant yield more by vegging it longer does not change its genetics.Some strains are just big yielders.They can produce more weight in any given time period than other plants grown in the same period.This is a fact that most experienced growers will agree with.
I get what your saying about making low yield plants yield more by vegging longer.But the point is and to alot of growers is if there plant is a high yielder or low yielder.
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yes sir, I know sme plants yield more than others but the only relevant point I made is this;


"the longer you veg the heavier the yield will be every time"

no matter if you want to veg longer, or can, or have the room, or dont care about time or cost, smaller plants will grow larger with a longer veg, that means more budding sites, that means more buds and that is a higher yield.

only the statement, either true or false. I say true, everyone will agree when we clear this up, even you I I believe. just repeat it, ask yourself is it true or false.
peace
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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Heisengrow said:
Man reading about all these lanky skinny plants has me worried.I just grew some gorilla bomb that was shit.The smoke was fire but it was a pain in my ass.My favorite pheno of the bunch i could not keep the mom down.I tried to train her down.I tied and used metal clips to train this mom down to a size that was managable but she was just to skinny and stretchy and when i ran her in the main system all the tops fell over.I wont tolerate a lazy plant and will throw it out.All the stems were just to thin and the plant as a whole was just to lanky.
Now all the scotts OG i grew was bad ass.Nice fat stems and colas that stacked with nugs up 18 inches from the screen.My #12 was bad ass.she was the most frosty and also the biggest yielder so i kept her for sure.I just started a screen of her last week (6 plants).Her nugs were tight and dense which is what im looking for.I throw all airy budded plants straight in the trash.I cant stand foxtail buds and it takes all i got to even let them finish sometimes.
This was a side branch cola from my 12.I could have let her go another 2 weeks but this was a rare dankness hunt so i already had what i was looking for.

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I kept Scots Og for 2 years, recently gave her spots up for Raindance lol
 
morgwar

morgwar

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I love foxtail bud lol! I run my air conditioner extra hard in the summer to get em. And I have discarded plants that wont do it. Different strokes.
(Great tv show)
 
Porkymcchops

Porkymcchops

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blu3bird said:
The Stardawg BX1 I have is a 75-80 day finisher and if you veg these clones any longer than 2 weeks you'll end up with a 9 foot tall plant when flowering is done. Terrible floppy weak assed stem/branches. Sensitive to environment, does not like heat or being overcrowded. Poor/medium producer. Although a pain in my ass plant, it is fire smoke. I believe I just had an undesirable pheno from the seeds I started. I let this one go, it's not one I wanted to keep
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I found Greenpoint after the stardawg bx was gone off the site. I was kinda bummed when I found out he made it and I didn't have it. Im thinking the copper and garlix I have will be solid representations of the chemdawg lineage tho.

Great pics/ info. Keep it comin :clap:
 
hillbill

hillbill

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Seems to be a couple types of foxtail, one that is produced from early on and makes thick, dense foxtails that form nice heavy buds. This seems strain specific. The other fo tailing comes late out of the tip of buds and is very light and narrow and has very little weight. The latter only seems to make trimming a pain and make for more "shake".
 
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