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Grafting venture

Discussion in 'Advanced Marijuana Cultivation' started by TheAzorean, Nov 19, 2017.

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    TheAzorean

    TheAzorean New Member

    Hello everyone, I'm doing my first grow and recently found out I had a couple of male plants (one sativa dominant and one indica) , has I had previous grafting experience I decided that I would graft a female scion to them.
    Both scions came from a sativa dominant plant, now I'm starting to notice a better response from the one grafted to the indica stock.
    I's it really a strain related effect or might it just be better root adaptation to soil properties or even just stronger scion?
    Anyone whit hard data?
    Thanks
     
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    vostok

    vostok Well-Known Member

    neither but what tape did you use

    the Indica will adapt better to cooler climes and

    be harvest about 2-3 weeks earlier than the sativa

    hence grows quicker

    better to stick to hybrids until you are settled

    good luck
     
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    TheAzorean

    TheAzorean New Member

    The thing is that both scions came from the same plant, the only thing that changes is the rootstock
     
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    vostok

    vostok Well-Known Member

    "I had previous grafting experience"

    So....? you ain't the only one

    but then you ask nooby 101 question...?
     
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    TheAzorean

    TheAzorean New Member

    So you take the time to answer to a post just because I'm not the only one with experience in some field?
    Yes I said that I had grafting experience, I also said I was doing my first grow, maybe I have grafting experience with other plants?
    Aren't the nooby questions about the grafting effects specific to cannabis?
    If you're just here to hate you could just move along and not look at this post at all again, that way we can all be happy.

    Cheers mate
     
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    vostok

    vostok Well-Known Member

    None at all

    the sativa attached to the indica will grow out as a sativa

    some will be fast some slow just as with all grafting

    just like with apples even oranges

    Oh Boo Hoo
     
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    TheAzorean

    TheAzorean New Member

    Yah boy I know that, but sometimes plants grow stronger with other root systems like melons, or the rootsstock adapt better to the soil like oranges. That is what I'm looking for, solid answers to the effects of grafting in cannabis. Of course the sativa will grow as sativa, but the point of grafting is much more than the "I gots me some tree with 10 strains in it!" It's about increasing your production, so if you want to help I'll appreciate, if you have nothing to add to the topic I thank you for your help so far.
     
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    TheAzorean

    TheAzorean New Member

    That seems to sum up the extend of your knowledge about general grafting pretty well :blsmoke:
     
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    vostok

    vostok Well-Known Member

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    TheAzorean

    TheAzorean New Member

    Ok thanks for that,
    now being serious, I know its a very small sample to jump into conclusions about why the sativa grafted to the indica rootstock is doing better than the sativa grafted to the sativa rootstock, I did this just as a way to use the males. Just posted to see if anyone had info about it.
    I use volcanic rock I collect in my property as a draining agent for my soil, and I thought that maybe indicas have better tolerance to acidic soils or something.
    Just looking for concrete data before I start grafting every sativa I grow to indica rootstock for nothing :P
     
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    stxfarmer

    stxfarmer Member

    Although I have no experience grafting cannabis I do have a few years experience growing citrus (over 40). Where this may relate to your question is the use of different rootstocks and different soil conditions. First since you have such a limited sample (very few plants) it will be hard to tell what the different rootstock effect will be on the grafted portion of the plant. It might be something as simple as a better match with the cambium and thus a healthier plant from day one. But in my experience different rootstocks will react very differently to subtle changes in soil, moisture, nutrients, and any number of other conditions. Even within the same rootstock you will see different growth tendencies for no apparent reason. I have also seen plants do some really strange things as the damage or shock from the graft actually mutates the plant is some way. It is a shock to a plant to graft it and they all don't react the same way. Mother nature does some strange things and what we do to the plants just makes it worse.

    It might be interesting to continue to graft to an indica rootstock and see if you can duplicate the results. In our neck of the woods the sour orange rootstock has long been the choice due to fruit quality, yield and other factors but is one of the weakest when it comes to a devastating citrus disease that kill the whole tree in a year or two. So we have planted for years on other rootstocks but still come back to the tried and true of the sour orange. Just plain works.

    But since you have experience in grafting and were successful with your grafts I am betting you knew all of the above.

    One other note when I was growing up we would use the plastic bread bags and cut them up to use as our grafting tape. We didn't graft citrus but avocados are always grafted. Same scion to the same rootstock, that would give us mature fruiting wood rather than waiting to see if the plant would bear fruit. Grafting is an art and requires some skill to do it right all the time.
     
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    TheAzorean

    TheAzorean New Member


    Hey,
    Thanks for the info, interesting to ear that a plant could mutate due to grafting!
    Funny that you talk about that, back here sour orange rootstock has been standard since the beginning too. My grandfather just taught me to cut a couple of slices of a roll of plastic wrap. When I was growing up me and the boys used to "steal oranges", but that was just so we could think we were badasses because we just went to abandoned orchards that had trees that the scions died and the sour sprouted, and we picked the sour apples, so looking back it sounds more like we went "foraging for sour oranges" bongsmilie
    Avocado is been introduced just some years ago and people are almost entirely using grafting to shorten the time for the plants to first fruit although the weather is a bit unforgiving.

    Keeping grafting success above hit and miss was always the way I found to keep the process efficient for my needs :D
     

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