grafting 3 female plants to 1 male root stock

Indagrow said:

Probably a shot in the dark but has anyone tried grafting mj to say a tomato plant or even another type of plant just for shits and giggles ??

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I have read articles of people grafting cannabis to hops. Apparently they share a very similar structure. But remember will make no difference in the buds. Graft is just the insert using a root systems of the host plant. DNA or any genetic structure will not be altered.

TTF

Well I have lost them both now oh well gonna try again when I get a chance keeping humidity just right is very hard to do . I've learned a few thing so it was worth doing gonna change few things next time I try it. Iv also heard of the cannabis to hops my grandpa told me a few stories about someone he new that did graft mj to hops Many moons ago

Well my idea would be to have a strong host plant then graft in many clones onto this system and harvest when ready.. I thought bigger roots=bigger bud Every year I grow I'm more interested in the root system I make than the buds I have only been doing it for seven years now so I'm still trying to make my plants as happy as can be Always learning

Indagrow said:

Well my idea would be to have a strong host plant then graft in many clones onto this system and harvest when ready.. I thought bigger roots=bigger bud Every year I grow I'm more interested in the root system I make than the buds I have only been doing it for seven years now so I'm still trying to make my plants as happy as can be Always learning

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I personally do not think is worth the time to graft as many clones with the intention to flower them later. It takes quite a while to heal and resume growth as normal. In addition the host plant will halt its grow as well. On the other hand if you want to do it, in order to have multiples strains and just one plant, therefore you can harvest as many clones as you want for so many strains and keeping everything in one container. That's the real advantage.

You have been growing longer than me. I had that mentality about bigger roots, bigger buds and I think is half true. Since last year I've been growing and focus my energies in creating more and more foliage. I have been growing in 3 Gallons container pots. I run perpetuals for one full year and take a 3 month break. My last 2 harvest plants were grown and I did focus in increasing that foliage and the increase in harvest weight was noticeable. I grow Pineapple Express for the past year. I had 16 harvest so far of Pineapples Express during this year. All the harvest were in 3 Gallon container with Soiless Mix and same Nutrients.

I used to harvest 28g per plant. 3 weeks Veg Time. 1 Gallon container pot 4 years ago.

I switched to bigger pots 3 Gallons 3 years ago. My harvest increase to 52-56g average per plant. It has been steady like that for the past 3 years. Is totally fine, because this is for personal usage to turn to tinctures and oils.

Now, I haven't change nothing I do. The only thing I do different is work on her foliage. I increase the Veg. Time to 1 weeks. That's just two additional weeks and I fed a lot of 'N' and then switch to flower and keep the high profile of 'N' until the 4th week into flowering.

The last two Pineapples Express plants harvested weighted 76 & 81g. I'm still using the same 3 gallon containers and the same nutrients (Base [However I'm using a different nute with a higher 'N' in top of that cheaper], Bloom Booster and Hardener) (Foliar Ca,Mg,Silica,Carbos, Hormones)

You know what got me thinking about the foliage and not to focus on the roots size anymore, Aeroponics specifically. My biggest yield ever come from a DIY: Low Pressure Aeroponic Systems. The size of those roots were he smallest I have seen in one of my grows. However; those plants develop a lot of foliage during its grow cycle and the yield was close to 300g from 4 plants. Same nutrients

Thats cool man, I've wanted to try this. A couple tips that working in a vineyard has taught me about grafting:

There are a few different ways to do it. The method you're using is how we usually graft a scion to a rootstock. It's called a 'cleft graft'. One thing to make sure of is that the cambiums of the scion (clone) and rootstock are lined up and touching.

After inserting your clone, you there are a couple of things you can do to seal it up. Typically I've used plastic bags and foil. A plastic bag around the graft keeps it humid, and then foil keeps light out.Then once the scions take, you stick with the one that's growing the best, and chop the others off.

If you want to get a bunch of different varieties on a single rootstock, you might want to try grafting each clone on a different point of the rootstock.

Here's some light reading that'll help you out:
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/hil/grafting.html

trouble27 said:

Well I have lost them both now oh well gonna try again when I get a chance keeping humidity just right is very hard to do . I've learned a few thing so it was worth doing gonna change few things next time I try it. Iv also heard of the cannabis to hops my grandpa told me a few stories about someone he new that did graft mj to hops Many moons ago

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Also you need to leave some of the male foliage until the grafts heal. You basically severed the roots energy source when you chopped off the male leaves. Leave the male part, graft, wait till it heals up then remove the male foliage.

Nice work so far.... I am going to keep a eye on this thread.

I have grafted trees, fruit stuff mostly.... oranges, necterines, and etc.....

Been keeping an eye out on grafting Canna for the reasons listed above.... 1 mother plant 2 or 3 genetics.... just helps cut down on plant numbers in my veg/mother room. I am going to have this a go when I have some extra time and a nice fatty rooted donor plant.

YOu guys do know they make grafting wax/tape which helps keep the wound/intersition point clean and also helps keep the humidity up. I would assume that like when u break a limb a tape it back together that knot forms... from grafting I would expect a similar thing to occur.

This also makes me wonder.... could I take an already flowered plant with a massive root system, that I have harvested already and use that as base stock/root stock for grafting onto?!

Hum??!?! Well off to the Salt Mine to get to work.

xxEMOxx said:

Nice work so far.... I am going to keep a eye on this thread.

I have grafted trees, fruit stuff mostly.... oranges, necterines, and etc.....


This also makes me wonder.... could I take an already flowered plant with a massive root system, that I have harvested already and use that as base stock/root stock for grafting onto?!

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im not an expert but I've read a lot on this forum.

you normally don't want to clone while the plant is in flower mode. It is better to clone while its in veg because the plant is still trying to grow. It (in theory) allows for quicker root taking.

Im assuming this is the same concept. You probably would want to take the branch while the plant is in veg mode. Would, most likely, speed up the grafting process. But I'm not very reputable. Hopefully a pro will back me up on this.


Edit: definitely subbed. I really hope this works. Would be awesome for a small ops


And we'll all toke on...

if you guys are finishing these frankenstein girls and run into a deficiency you can always foliar feed the specifics and correct them

xxEMOxx said:

This also makes me wonder.... could I take an already flowered plant with a massive root system, that I have harvested already and use that as base stock/root stock for grafting onto?!

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Vineyards do this with their rootstocks. They plant california species that are phylloxera-resistant and then graft on european scions for fruiting.

Bravo.
I like where this is pointing me....

Indagrow said:

Probably a shot in the dark but has anyone tried grafting mj to say a tomato plant or even another type of plant just for shits and giggles ??

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I have grafted tomato tops to a potato stem. Works great. Overall harvest compared to a full tomato or full potato plant is decreased per individual plant. But in the bigger scheme of things you are doubling your potential growing area. So in a big enough area your overall yield is increased significantly. But keep in mind tomatoes and potatoes are both in the same family of plants (Nightshade).

Hey all,not trying to hijack the thread here,but I am in the middle of grafting a mother plant atm.I made several attempts till I finally got 1 to take ...... I think.The scion is still alive and green and doing great,after 2 days.I have enclosed a pic.I am hoping to get 6 different scions on 1 rootstock.Will save on the plant count here in hell.A six pack plant,to take cuttings from.I used the cleft method and I think thats what I will try again in the future.I am going to start some more seeds for more scions,I am going to do a lemon skunk and a burmese kush next.The seeds are sprouting as I type.

I've seen a video on this before and a guy grafted 8-9 different strains to a single plant and then flowered it. He said that the yield was not that great from it, but that it is a great way to keep several different strains ready to be cloned, while keeping you plant count down. It also was not grafted using the main stem, but the off shoots instead and held in place with pins. Doing the off shoots one at a time might work better due to it not being so drastic as chopping the entire host plant down. Keep us updated, i really want to try this and see how it works out.

ozman said:

Hey all,not trying to hijack the thread here,but I am in the middle of grafting a mother plant atm.I made several attempts till I finally got 1 to take ...... I think.The scion is still alive and green and doing great,after 2 days.I have enclosed a pic.I am hoping to get 6 different scions on 1 rootstock.Will save on the plant count here in hell.A six pack plant,to take cuttings from.I used the cleft method and I think thats what I will try again in the future.I am going to start some more seeds for more scions,I am going to do a lemon skunk and a burmese kush next.The seeds are sprouting as I type.

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Feel free to post pics and whatever pertains to grafting might as well keep the thread going I had to take cuttings from my mothers and throw all my plants away after fighting root aphids for months came to the conclusion to get rid of everything and be plant free for while so gonna be a min before I try again. keep us informed on how it goes and what u think helped with the process good luck hope they take .

WyoGrow said:

I have grafted tomato tops to a potato stem. Works great. Overall harvest compared to a full tomato or full potato plant is decreased per individual plant. But in the bigger scheme of things you are doubling your potential growing area. So in a big enough area your overall yield is increased significantly. But keep in mind tomatoes and potatoes are both in the same family of plants (Nightshade).

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That's pretty cool man no wasted space there eat the root and the fruit Lol

Hey All,just a quick update,my graft was started on the 19th of Nov. and as of today still looks great and healthy.I have finally left the bag off of the scion for 3 days now, no wilting observed.I figure thursday I will pull the tape off the splice and see how it looks.I have been playing with the stalk of the scion,it seems to be pretty solid,but the tape is still on it yet so I dunno.I have enclosed a pic of the graft.I also have more seeds sprouting,lemon skunk,lockstock,burmese kush and blue hash,along with the sharksbreath and snow white,I will be pretty well set for clones when I am done with this.

Happy Growing All

thethcfarm3r said:

I have read articles of people grafting cannabis to hops. Apparently they share a very similar structure. But remember will make no difference in the buds. Graft is just the insert using a root systems of the host plant. DNA or any genetic structure will not be altered.

TTF

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"Recent studies have documented that grafting enables exchanges of both RNA and DNA molecules between the grafting partners, thus providing a molecular basis for grafting-induced genetic variation. DNA methylation is known as prone to alterations as a result of perturbation of internal and external conditions. "

Finally someone doing real science. Keep us updated.

The idea is to find a root stock that is very healthy and powerful, genetically. Like it can handle and uptake high amounts of nutrients, resistant to X , and deals with water well.