"Government will not appeal the Allard medical pot ruling" Philpott

Medipuffs said:

those conservative fucks are crying all over the cbc message boards

it looks good on them!

@dishes: well fight that fight when the time comes this summer, enjoy the ruling and have a wonderful easter with the missus buddy

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I noticed that too.....they are not very good sports are they?

GroErr said:

They can't do that, let's not get paranoid over nothing. All I read into their non-committal in that article is exactly that, they can't responsibly comment on something they probably haven't fully figured out yet, cause speculation, potential forward-looking comments etc. Phelan's ruling was clear, home grows for med patients will happen, and were ordered to be in place within 6 months. Everything else is media noise, speculation, and paranoia.

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I wasn't approaching from a paranoia stand point but rather examining the use of the language...and
wondering why they would feel the need to use that language to allow an end result.
they could have left that out altogether in the passage they chose to use.


ps groErr.
One side is your typical Styrofoam insulation, the other is a mylar-like reflective surface

..that reflective styrofoam with the foil coating on one side....
Have you noticed if the product is considered to be fire rated in any way....
usually anything styrofoam is considered combustible
just curious.
I would tend to lean towards something like Tile board or cement board and paint it white
would be completely washable and fire proof.

cannadan said:

I noticed that too.....they are not very good sports are they?

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a few of those ignorant individuals can only make arguments like "well i guess ill grow coccaine in my backyard then" i think he meant coca but hey who knows haha and "wait until the healthcare costs begin to skyrocket" if im growing my own cannabis and am not receiving any financial compensation from the government i don't see how they expect me as a patient to drain the healthcare fund (i eat my cannabis, never smoke anything) and of course the obligatory "bunch of dopers just found a loophole in the legal system to have their fix" which is just ridiculous, personally indignant and ignorant on so many levels.

it just feels good to see them squirm after so much bullshit has been heaped at our doorsteps over the last 2+years from harper and everything before that as well. Vindication for medical patients standing up for the rights!

Now it's time for Conroy to get in front of Phelan or Manson whoever it is and get the injunction varied!

cannadan said:

I wasn't approaching from a paranoia stand point but rather examining the use of the language...and
wondering why they would feel the need to use that language to allow an end result.
they could have left that out altogether in the passage they chose to use.


ps groErr.
One side is your typical Styrofoam insulation, the other is a mylar-like reflective surface

..that reflective styrofoam with the foil coating on one side....
Have you noticed if the product is considered to be fire rated in any way....
usually anything styrofoam is considered combustible
just curious.
I would tend to lean towards something like Tile board or cement board and paint it white
would be completely washable and fire proof.

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Yeah, media and people talking to the media can throw things out of context, to me they're just being careful and likely under direction from the PMO to say nothing, makes it difficult when media hounds are trying to extract comments from them.
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RE: Styrofoam. All of it has some fire resistance, it has a rating but can't remember what it is, but in reality not a lot if you had a real fire. I'm not concerned about it for a few reasons, I had to insulate my cold room which had a native temp of as low as 40F in the winter, not feasible to operate without having insulated the outside walls (1.5"). Wood for framing the room is combustible as well and I added a sub-floor. My cabinet is DIY. made of wood. lol, unless you built something completely out of incombustible materials, e.g metal, then the insulation is really a mute point. Plus in my case my DIY cabinet sits inside the one end of the cold-room, there's a 2ft space, then my main flower room. That whole area where both rooms are is surrounded (walls, floor, ceiling) by 9" thick poured concrete and the main door going in from the basement is steel/fireproof. So essentially that whole room could go up in flames and not affect the rest of the house/basement.

I truly hope the grow box is just talk....I would hate to be restricted to a certain sized box...
to do my growing in
I'm becoming less and less flexible each day....and could not operate in a confined space.
I personally think, a grow room properly constructed out of light gauge steel stud and something like cement board,for a sheathing, with the joints all taped and sealed. would not allow for a burn to take place...unless the room is purposely filled with a large volume of combustible material.
Lights and green plants would not be enough by volume ...to build up enough heat to overtake the cement sheathing
and be transferred into the wood walls of a residential building.
and resilient channel could also be applied behind the light gauge steel studs against the wood studs and allow for a 3 hour burn time supposing there was enough combustibles present and in a dense enough volume to allow the heat to penetrate .
mold and mildew resistant paint could be applied over the cement board and you would have a cleanable room.
That type of construction would take care of 2 of the big three supposed area's of concern that the government and insurance/police etc would have....
Video cams and proper locks would provide the 3rd.

Worded vaguely or not, if it's an affordability and access issue they want to address, then our homegrow will be included in the new Reg's. They can't cap MMJ prices or LP's will fail well before they get their golden parachute @ Rec sales.

Let's face it, the cheapest and easiest access is growing you own MMJ...or having someone do it for you.

Homegrows are here to stay...IMO!

OLD MOTHER SATIVA said:

"'"The minister would not say if the revised rules would continue to allow people to grow their own after that time."'"

hold yer horses Vianna...Dizz ain't obsolete yet..not by a long shot

they didn't appeal because they would lose[again]..this still sucks for the leftouts

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Nah...my horses are at full gallop. Phelan didn't rule on whether the price was restrictive.The argument for banning home grows was based on 4 supposed 'public safety' issues; fire, mold, grow rips and diversion...all of which were proven inconsequential. There was no consideration for affordability and the mmpr was not found to be unconstitutional due to affordability. There is no way the provinces will accept being stuck with the cost of supplying mmj to patients, and that would not satisfy the court decision granting us the right to grow.
The whole idea that the government is still out to screw over mmj users is what is obsolete...Dizz is just confused...

Medipuffs said:

a few of those ignorant individuals can only make arguments like "well i guess ill grow coccaine in my backyard then" i think he meant coca but hey who knows haha and "wait until the healthcare costs begin to skyrocket" if im growing my own cannabis and am not receiving any financial compensation from the government i don't see how they expect me as a patient to drain the healthcare fund (i eat my cannabis, never smoke anything) and of course the obligatory "bunch of dopers just found a loophole in the legal system to have their fix" which is just ridiculous, personally indignant and ignorant on so many levels.

it just feels good to see them squirm after so much bullshit has been heaped at our doorsteps over the last 2+years from harper and everything before that as well. Vindication for medical patients standing up for the rights!

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Well, I'm off to the news comments sections then...I love fuckin' with the simpletons!

VIANARCHRIS said:

The whole idea that the government is still out to screw over mmj users is what is obsolete...Dizz is just confused...

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Nope.
Those of us who have been at this since the early days also remember the rose colored glasses everyone was wearing after Sftef. (spelling on that will probably end me), and we got a big slap in the face. Do you guys really thing 'b-b-but the court said' will protect you when the RCMP destroy your plants? Will it magically make them re-appear?
Generally when the govt, or anyone won't commit to something it's because they want room to weasel out of it later. Philpott's wording specifically indicates they're not planning on respecting the spirit of the ruling, and I wouldn't rule out them asking for more time. Phelan's verdict was specifically predicated on home growing, and the fact that she's dodging that question (just like they've been dodging the appeal question since the ruling) should not leave a reasonable person with any confidence. Along with them not lifting a finger to accommodate leftouts / address changes.
When you're charged with trafficking, probably fired from your job if you have one, need to come up with bail money, etc, 'the court said' isn't going to help you. The police can make your life really miserable if they want to, and if you live in a place like Alberta or Barrie (apparently here the cops are really bad from what I've heard) you can bet they will.
When they screw us over again, will Conroy/Tousaw even be available to take the case? Will legal costs be paid for? Will we get put in front of one of Harper's more right-wing picks for a Judge?

JungleStrikeGuy said:

Nope.

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Yep.
I'd really like to hear what you think the government will come up with in response to a judgement giving us the right to grow that doesn't include the right to grow. And why you think they would and for what benefit? I'm curious. I don't see things going that way at all. I think some people are so used to the years of fighting that they are unable to see a win for what it is. This ruling will increase calls for early legalization and speed up it's implementation. We'll see what happens, but I've been right so far....Dizz, not so much.

VIANARCHRIS said:

Phelan didn't rule on whether the price was restrictive.The argument for banning home grows was based on 4 supposed 'public safety' issues; fire, mold, grow rips and diversion...all of which were proven inconsequential. There was no consideration for affordability and the mmpr was not found to be unconstitutional due to affordability.

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Exactly.
Some how, somewhere growing outside the LP system has to occur. Preferably at home or place of ones choosing.

There's no grey areas in that ruling, home grows for medical are to be implemented within 6 months. Other issues like whether it will stay that way or be challenged are certainly possible in the future but with legalization on the way, apparently before the Libs finish their term, it'll be a mute point. If it's truly legal then some form of personal grow will be part of that system. Legal will have to provide for personal growing and they've indicated they support that already. There may very well be distribution through different channels like dispensary's, liquor store, pharmacies, where you can buy it from the large commercial growers. The med system may restrict or inspect designated growers or provide an alternative system providing the same options for med patients. Once these systems, however they look like, are in place, it would be suicidal for any party to try and shut it down. Imagine trying to do something like prohibition on liquor and beer, there's be riots in the streets and alternate (illegal) channels would pop up immediately. Legal is the end game and I'll stay under the radar until then but for carded growers that got screwed under the old program, there's some relief coming, no question there. imo it's here already, if you had a card to grow and got stuck a loop hole like address changes, there's no way any charges would stick even if some cowboy cop was stupid enough to charge you.

Wow
I wish I were as optimistic as most of you guys.
While this is good news for those folks still holding on to the pink slips this doesn't change a thing for the rest of us.
The quotes don't do much to reassure me either.
In fact to be honest I'm still dumb founded that the libs used the legalization platform to get elected and it seems as though they put no fore thought into the actual plans.
Why weren't some of these things decided upon before promising to legalize? Why hire the dick that threw thousands of people in jail to head up the committee to decide these life changing debates?
I'm glad the mmar people finally got a little breathing room but that's about it as far as I see it.

Just got off the phone with my Insurance broker, this decision not to appeal was what brokers were waiting for. They now have enough ammo to rattle underwriters chains to start re-issuing proper homeowners MMJ coverage sooner rather than later.

sooooooooooooooooooo happy

torontoke said:

Wow
I wish I were as optimistic as most of you guys.
While this is good news for those folks still holding on to the pink slips this doesn't change a thing for the rest of us.
The quotes don't do much to reassure me either.
In fact to be honest I'm still dumb founded that the libs used the legalization platform to get elected and it seems as though they put no fore thought into the actual plans.
Why weren't some of these things decided upon before promising to legalize? Why hire the dick that threw thousands of people in jail to head up the committee to decide these life changing debates?
I'm glad the mmar people finally got a little breathing room but that's about it as far as I see it.

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Spend the $2 and file goldstars already. We're a shoe In To win atleast the right to grow. Possibly way more then that. For the cost and effort it's worth a shot.

torontoke said:

Wow
I wish I were as optimistic as most of you guys.
While this is good news for those folks still holding on to the pink slips this doesn't change a thing for the rest of us.
The quotes don't do much to reassure me either.
In fact to be honest I'm still dumb founded that the libs used the legalization platform to get elected and it seems as though they put no fore thought into the actual plans.
Why weren't some of these things decided upon before promising to legalize? Why hire the dick that threw thousands of people in jail to head up the committee to decide these life changing debates?
I'm glad the mmar people finally got a little breathing room but that's about it as far as I see it.

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Relax...it sucks some have to wait another 5 months, but we ALL won the right to grow. The next fight will be over getting doctors to sign, but for those who don't require extra large scripts, legalization will take dr.'s out of the decision.

What will happen with the MMAR people who have plant counts of anything over say 50 plants as an example? If they're suddenly told in six months that they are only allowed to grow five plants...or even six...would that be acceptable to those with the MMAR injunctions? I say no f'n way man! But what would our options be if that happened? Do you guys think it's possible that the feds would do that? Would that action take us back into the court system once again?

buckets said:

What will happen with the MMAR people who have plant counts of anything over say 50 plants as an example? If they're suddenly told in six months that they are only allowed to grow five plants...or even six...would that be acceptable to those with the MMAR injunctions? I say no f'n way man! But what would our options be if that happened? Do you guys think it's possible that the feds would do that? Would that action take us back into the court system once again?

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The only thing they could fuck with would be the number of grams/day vs. number of plants. I have 49 plants for 10g/day...they could say 20 plants would yield that much or something, but only a doctor can determine 'dosage'.