BamaBoyBeRolling
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Damn it ya'll have to quit doing this to me.
Government Reset
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GrowUrOwnDank
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Rob Roy
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He'd run your life for you and tell you how much better of a job he could do at it.
BamaBoyBeRolling
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Yeah sadly alot of people are like that. Whats up with this site and people making multiple account its making everyone suspicious of newcomers.Who all was infamous for doing this anyways, just curious.
Padawanbater2
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-Overhaul gov - Yes, start with campaign finance reform. Overturn Citizens United, McCutcheon v. FEC, First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti & Buckley v. Valeo
-End ACA - No, it would effectively remove millions of Americans from heath care and result in 45,000 American deaths annually. Improve and build upon the ACA with the ultimate goal of creating a single payer system where all Americans are insured regardless of income or ability to pay
-Remove all gun restrictions besides background checks - No, it would result in more gun deaths. Use successful examples of gun regulations around the world (like Australia) to reduce the number of innocent people killed by guns every year
-Full decriminalization over legalization - No, end the entire drug war from top to bottom
-Lower SNAP benefits - Absolutely not, if people can't eat because they can't afford food, they will almost positively turn to more nefarious ways of earning money resulting in increased crime levels. I think a better solution would be to increase wages so people don't need to use food stamps, at minimum to a living wage based on where you live that's tied to inflation.
-Make income taxes maximum 20% - Absolutely not, it would be impossible to fund necessary programs (including some programs we're legally bound to fund) or rebuild basic infrastructure or fund science/medicine/education/etc., a better solution would be to implement a more progressive tax policy, thereby increasing the buying power of tens of millions more Americans, thereby increasing GDP for the entire country
Rob Roy
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Would you institute these wonderful programs, with or without the consent of the individuals affected ?
Would you use guns to make sure everyone complied with your ideals of how they should be?
Padawanbater2
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Yes, 100% consent if you live in my society (otherwise you wouldn't be in it - interesting how that works)
Yes there would be laws against things like murder and theft
Rob Roy
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The only consent you can give is your own. So "your society" would then necessarily be limited to only those that are voluntarily participating in it.
So, you would use guns to remove people that did not consent to your ideals? How would you do that and still be consistent with your goal of ending the use of guns in a threatening manner?
What if a person that didn't consent to your utopia declined your invitation to leave, and just wanted to be left alone? Would you attack that person or leave them alone?
OneStonedPony
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I'd like to see all those fuckers (politicians) who have been in DC for more than 4 years kicked the hell out of there. We need some real people, people who know how to live on a budget, balance a checkbook, and be accountable. DC has become the biggest whore house in the USA. Big companies buy off the fuckers and they do their bidding. Look at Detroit, gutted so some rich assholes can get richer, using cheap labor in Mexico, and places like the Korea, China and the like. I say honor the Constitution, which says the government can't make us buy a service or product (good bye Obamacare), can't fuck with our guns (piss off Obama), in fact by it's own wording they can't even really tax our income, the IRS is a big ass scam. Surf youtube for former IRS agent beat no income tax case. Yes ,out with the old bought off fucks, in with some single moms, hard working joes, and people with sense. Then when they eventually sell out, reset again.
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Padawanbater2
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If you live in [my] society, the social contract by your presence of being there is your consent to abiding by it, and if you don't you will face whatever consequences are deemed necessary by rule of organized law within [my] society
People that break the social contract remove themselves from society. There are rules, if you don't follow the rules, you're gone, just like any other establishment in existence, no inconsistencies
A person does consent if they live in [my] society, if they don't want to consent, they have to leave [my] society which they are free to do at any time
ttystikk
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Uh oh, you started to make sense again. You know you shouldn't do that, it just confuses them.
MuyLocoNC
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Actually, they were two of the biggest walls of bullshit he's posted outside of a MMGW thread.
Rob Roy
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So, by my leaving other people alone, I am breaking some kind of non existent contract in a society that you claim as "yours" ?
Then, YOU will use guns against me to ensure that nobody uses guns ?
You establish rules in this society to ensure people aren't harmed and the first thing you do is use guns against a person not harming you...
Umm, sounds like quite a "society" you have going there.
Padawanbater2
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When you use/benefit from the things said society provides, you're not "leaving people alone" when you don't pay for them like everybody else, in effect, you're stealing from everyone else in society
Thieves are subject to legal consequences the same as anyone else, you're not special and you don't get extra rights because you believe in a different political philosophy
BamaBoyBeRolling
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The health care is a subject I am on a line with, it shouldn't be given out to every one for the same reasons food stamps shouldn't either.There should be a urgency program where it is available to life threatening issues.
Yes lower food stamp benefits. Growing up when my dad lost his job we ate better dirt poor than we did with a job which caused us to not genuinely search for jobs.
Yes income taxes should be 20% max if you want people to make a easier living without raising the minimum wage, fund the basics and drop the long term free loaders besides elderly and vets.
I disagree on an entire decriminalization, dealers of hard drugs should still be prosecuted as criminals like they are. Ruining lifes should be illegal.
rkymtnman
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wrong. if people see a doc frequently, they are able to prevent issues from becoming life threatening and treatment become much cheaper overall.
so you favor tax cuts for the rich? because that's what a 20% cap becomes. not to mention how much further in debt the US will become
not very altruistic of you. guess you aren't a christian?
that's not your choice to make. ever hear of free will?
Padawanbater2
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If health care is unavailable to people who need it, 45K Americans die every year from preventable diseases because they can't afford to see a doctor. That's unacceptable in the world's richest nation and the world's only first world nation that doesn't provide national healthcare.
If you decrease food stamps, crime will increase. The average amount per meal per food stamp recipient is $1.40 and more than half of all food stamp recipients hold full-time jobs.
Income taxes should be less for people who make less and more for people who make more (progressive income tax). People barely making ends meet should be paying little/no taxes whereas people making tens of millions per year should be paying significantly more past the $1, $5 & $10 million marks.
Using illegal substances is an individual rights issue, the government should not be in the business of legislating what people can or can't put into their own bodies. The government solution of legal consequences makes the problem much worse.
Corso312
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BamaBoyBeRolling
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If I had a disease money wouldn't concern me. I would build my debt in a hospital while they treated me.
I know so many people who exploit it. There must be something wrong with that $1.40 deal because the people I see on it have surf and turf every month and not work a job.
I like the sliding scale idea on the income tax which seams like the best thing for it.
Yes let them choose to seek out the dealers but I'm still going to say distribution of hard drugs should be illegal.
MuyLocoNC
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With the exception of the last paragraph, every bit of this is wrong.
45,000 dead is COMPLETELY acceptable. It's a pittance and certainly not worth fucking it up for everyone else.
Let crime increase, bullets are cheap and privately purchased at no cost to the taxpayers.
progressive tax schemes are class warfare. Flat tax is the only system we SHOULD be using.