Getting busted?!?!?!?!

this whole cops and helicopters thing, i know they do this, but isnt it just for the big corn fields etc.?? or do they do this over residential areas as well??? i grow indoors so im pretty worried, i had read that hydro isnt really a big deal as long as u pay ur bills theres no reason for questioning but what about the heat being dispursed, i hav a set up in the corner of a room in my basment using a 400 watt metal halide overhead/hanging ballast and i think i should be fine no matter what happends, but i was thinking of adding an additional 400watt MH ballast for the warm bulb for budding (using a neutral bulb right now) do i have anything to worry about??? how do the cops do this "sweep" exactly, do they do this in the winter as well?? do they use thermal sensors or something??

also the one dumb thing i think i did was order seeds online to my house, which i ordered a few different kinds, aswell from another site ordered the bulb and some ph supplies so.. im kinda worried right now, dont need to be busted for anything!

For Canada, I believe choppers are only used for spotting outdoor grows in remote, rural and "semi-rural" areas. They fly in my area near Ottawa because I'm semi-rural with lots of farm land and forests.

Technologically, choppers can use FLIR to identify large grow-ops using thousands of watts of light, but this isn't done in Canada (a court ruling?).

For 1000 watts or less, I think you have nothing to worry about regarding choppers in Canada.

And I don't think seed orders are a major concern. Did they come from in country ?

Biggest risks are (1) those you tell, (2) if you sell, or (3) problems with smell.

i dont think theyl bother busting your 400 wat grow when they could bust bigger grows and 400 watts doesnt creata much heat your good bro

phrike said:

For Canada, I believe choppers are only used for spotting outdoor grows in remote, rural and "semi-rural" areas. They fly in my area near Ottawa because I'm semi-rural with lots of farm land and forests.

Technologically, choppers can use FLIR to identify large grow-ops using thousands of watts of light, but this isn't done in Canada (a court ruling?).

For 1000 watts or less, I think you have nothing to worry about regarding choppers in Canada.

And I don't think seed orders are a major concern. Did they come from in country ?

Biggest risks are (1) those you tell, (2) if you sell, or (3) problems with smell.

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im only worried about smell if i hook up an exhaust system thru the window, mayb when budding, dono how bad that exactly gets from outside the house but i think i'll b ok, and i used to sell but thought id get on the other end of it n just grow n make one sale every harvest

no they came from out of country:

10 Aussie Blues (amsterdammarijuanaseeds.com)
10 Carmelicious (amsterdammarijuanaseeds.com)
10 B52 (buydutchseeds.com)
5 Sour Diesel (CANADIAN seeds im guessing from a toronto seedsbank)
5 feminized autogrowers "Mi5" (dope-seeds.com)
2 feminized autogrowers "Snowryder" (dope-seeds.com)
50+ random seeds from batches of Purple Kush, Juicey fruit, and free seeds from orders from AmsterdamMarijuanaSeeds.com

im in kitchener/waterloo btw

just don't vent outside your house and you'll be fine. when helicopters use flir they can only see the escaping heat and if you vent into your attic or out a window they will surely see that. if you're worried about smell just get a nice size carbon scrubber.

OK you have a grow room, it is maybe hotter than the rest of the house and will glow on a thermal imaging camera. But so will a boiler room, hot tub, bathroom, kitchen, etc. Looking down a street of houses there will be loads of hotspots. No worries.

You are fine. Arent seeds legal in Canada, if that's where you live?

Nah, they dont do flyovers in the winter time. Its not illegal for you to order any of that stuff, and its not enough evidence for a warrant. Dont worry so much, you will gray faster.

Just follow this one rule. Dont tell anyone about your grow, and you will be fine.

the sad part in America is we technically have the 4th amendment to protect us from the police, the helis aren't even legally supposed to be able to do that but thanks to good ol' bush and his patriot act, as long as they claim terrorism the cops can bust and search anyone...how fucked up. we are supposed to be a country of freedom and privacy of our own land and personal possessions, just sad how they tore apart the 4th amendment with that act.

Be careful where your grow is set up too, if you're too close to a school/church and get busted, the fines are much heavier.. Good luck bro!

school, church, or park, any public place really.... NORML site has laws for every state. FLIR use is illegal in USA, not to say it's not used still... 1 400 watt light isn't enough to get paranoid about, don't sweat it man...

ALL OF THIS IS AWSOME TO HEAR GUYS!

i live in Canada, im pretty sure your right about seeds being legal, and ya im not worried about the 400 watt, but was worried about ventilation and them seeing a hot spot because i might use TWO 400watts, one for budding and one for veg, but i know ppl who use like 3 1000watt HPS n they r fine, but you never know i guess, just thought id be safe and ask, thanx again.

yeah i keep saltwater aquariums as a hobby and friends of mine use up to 2-3 400w metal halides per coral tank... so I wouldnt sweat it. when i started growing I already had 7 Mh lights just from my hobby

cannafish said:

the sad part in America is we technically have the 4th amendment to protect us from the police, the helis aren't even legally supposed to be able to do that but thanks to good ol' bush and his patriot act, as long as they claim terrorism the cops can bust and search anyone...how fucked up. we are supposed to be a country of freedom and privacy of our own land and personal possessions, just sad how they tore apart the 4th amendment with that act.

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Indeed they can.

In fact, now the police can bust up in your house without a warrant and or reasonable cause. Yep. They sure can!

I'm 50/50 with our government here in America these days. I mean.. I recently heard about this place called "H.A.A.R.P".
Just another "front" for experimental/"TOP SECRET" projects and the like for the government. I've read that not only do they have the
technology to produce "man made weather systems" yea, they can/could control/make our weather. Not only that, but I've also seen
a documentary on t.v. about this place.. its worse than the "Area 51" place. If you have any doubts about what I've just said, then feel
free to read it for yourself.

Don't say I didn't warn ya though..

http://www.haarp.net/mindcontrol.htm

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/haarp_mind_weather_control.htm

Here's another great read, nothing but facts. http://julian1st.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/haarp/


peace.

>Arent seeds legal in Canada

Technically still illegal, but nobody has been busted for seeds in a long time, even as blatantly and large scale as Marc Emory. His only mistake was to ship to the US.

>if you're too close to a school/church and get busted, the fines are much heavier

I don't think that's an issue in Canada, yet at least.

>im only worried about smell if i hook up an exhaust system thru the window, mayb when budding, dono how bad that exactly gets from outside the house but i think i'll b ok,

With those strains, I think you WILL have a smell issue come flower time, assuming people get within 20-40 feet of your outlet. You MIGHT be able to get away with cheaper smell fixes, but I think you should consider an activated carbon filter.


>In fact, now the police can bust up in your house without a warrant and or reasonable cause. Yep. They sure can!

This IS Canada, so the laws are somewhat different.

As far as I'm concerned though, many cops in every country have always played dirty tricks, and those dirty tricks will often work. So constitutional or other legal protections may not have protected you anyway. Such is life...

i like your input, as im from Canada n just kind of go about my shit not worrying about alot, i dont have an exhaust system set up tho, and i havent hooked up the other ballast let alone gone to get it but when i expand i should make an exhaust setup thru my basement window? but obv. with a carbon filter? or can i do all of this without an exhaust system and just use fans, i dont want to cause anymore heat to my neighbours as theyre driveways are right beside me (the window)

i just grow with soil, 400watt neutral bulb (getting second ballast with cold bulb and warm bulb and mayb a second warm bulb), i use an air purifier, i HAV a dehumidifier but havent used it yet cuz ive read u use that during flowering to make the plants more resiny?? and a fan for airflow, this is all under a hanging/overhead ballast setup in the corner of a room in my basment, there is a vent in this room for house A/C and heat but the temp stays between 75 and 85 right now anyways so i dont bother doing n e thing with that vent, and as i said i have a small window i COULD use but am trying to restrain constructing n e thing thru that window becuz my neighbours driveway is right beside me. SUGGESTIONS??? i dont have much money, spending what i have right now on the new ballast, bigger pots, more soil, and another heady duty light timer

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yeah i keep saltwater aquariums as a hobby and friends of mine use up to 2-3 400w metal halides per coral tank... so I wouldnt sweat it. when i started growing I already had 7 Mh lights just from my hobby

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thanx i appreciate the comments

ya man where i live. in a larger midwest city. police have alot of excess money that they get from us. so they can spend it on fancy FLIR and thermal cameras and what not to catch people instead of catching real criminals, which has already been explained. but you really only have to worry about that in bigger cities, where they have lots of money. in canada they dont seem to crazy about that stuff. they probably do that more in LA or Houston or really big cities. and if your really worried about it there is a material you can line your grow room with to keep their FLIR/thermal cameras from seeing you (idk if that was covered i didnt feel like reading everything) i forgot what its called
i recommend stayin on your toes tho, better to be safe than sorry. if you hear alot of helicopters outside try and look at them see if its the cops. theyre not too hard to hear/spot.
and i thought mounties rode horses not helicopters? haha little joke there

do you even know the difference between a mh and a hps is? cuz it sounds like you dont.

not going to argue with u about who knows what dude lol.. i have some knowledge but dont really care to get into it becuz im clearly using a METAL HALIDE ballast and bulb and not going to go out of my way for any other types of lighting at the moment, my understanding for HPS is better for budding, but creates more heat? i hear HPS is better for alot of reasons, like lumens distributed and price, efficiency, but AGAIN im just using the 400watt metal halide ballast that i got for a half quarter of amazing purple kush that i was dealing at the time from BC and im soon to recieve another 400watt ballast and 2-3 extra bulbs for like $150 so what my money is going towards aside from lighting right now obviously is things that ppl suggest for a better grow room, like CO2, or an exhaust system, etc.etc.