infamouse21
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so why does everyone talk about "flushing" cause it gets ride of the nut tast ect..?
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Al B. Fuct
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You could make any number of conclusions by smoking a plant which had been badly fert burned. It'd taste bad because of low resin content- sickly or badly cooked plants make mainly cellulose smoke as only healthy plants make a lot of perfumey resin- but I'm quite sure someone would pin it on fert content.
An awful lot of ideas in cannabis growing get propagated by people who don't try it both ways before adopting a method. I have troubled myself to do it both ways- and I have no preference.
infamouse21
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well i could deffinatly agree with the resin "THC" content.
we had a plant go hermi on us half way through flower, & my dumbass said lets pick off the flowers & try to save it cause it was looking nice.
well needless 2 say it still managed 2 gizz on our other 3 plants & ( wont ever try that again) seed them up. but the hermi we harvested early obviously, but only 3 weeks.
theirs hardly no thc on it must be cause it went hermi.
now the other 3 palnts are looking crazy nice still minus the seeds. & they smell like straight passion fruit & almost look like white widow. hmmm hmmm hmmm.
flushed the hermi for 1 week. dried it for 5 days tried smoking it & it was like regs. even though it was ebb flow setup. but it must of been cause their was basically no thc, correct or wrong?
we had a plant go hermi on us half way through flower, & my dumbass said lets pick off the flowers & try to save it cause it was looking nice.
well needless 2 say it still managed 2 gizz on our other 3 plants & ( wont ever try that again) seed them up. but the hermi we harvested early obviously, but only 3 weeks.
theirs hardly no thc on it must be cause it went hermi.
now the other 3 palnts are looking crazy nice still minus the seeds. & they smell like straight passion fruit & almost look like white widow. hmmm hmmm hmmm.
flushed the hermi for 1 week. dried it for 5 days tried smoking it & it was like regs. even though it was ebb flow setup. but it must of been cause their was basically no thc, correct or wrong?
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this is only cuz the damn plants are illegal most places...
if there was a much freer and accepting view towards cannabis so much of the bullshit, even that spread by those who use, would dissipate for the most part...
maybe some day...
cmak40
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just an add in for people who wanna go organic and do SoG, Advanced Nutrients has a line for hydro organic growing, Advanced Nutrients
my local shop has the iguana juice grow and bloom, bloom is what i will use in my setup in about another 4 weeks when its ready
my local shop has the iguana juice grow and bloom, bloom is what i will use in my setup in about another 4 weeks when its ready
Al B. Fuct
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Keep in mind that most, if not all organic nutes are incompatible with H2O2. Peroxide will break down organic nutes just as readily as fungus or algae. Organic growers will have to find another means of pathogen control.
Me, I say bring on the motherfuckin' chemicals!
Me, I say bring on the motherfuckin' chemicals!
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funniest shit so far. i know you are perfecting the technique, and i being from cali only appreciates the extent of your research. SOG that is; cheers!
hellraizer30
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hey al you know of a cheap place to get those 4x4 flood tables? and is
growdan the only thing to use or clay pellets works, but the more i think about it the pellet wont soke it the nutes like the stuff you use, the reason
I ask is im trying to not have much waist to throw away each month, and
rockwool and grodan dont burn so its going to just build up and when i dump
it the alot of evidence.
growdan the only thing to use or clay pellets works, but the more i think about it the pellet wont soke it the nutes like the stuff you use, the reason
I ask is im trying to not have much waist to throw away each month, and
rockwool and grodan dont burn so its going to just build up and when i dump
it the alot of evidence.
Al B. Fuct
once had a dog named
Mine are not 4x4, they are 820mm^2 or 32"^2.
Look in your local hydro shops for flood tables. I would be hesitant to mail order them. They're big, costly to ship and often fragile and easy to damage in common trucking delivery when sent one at a time. They ship OK by the palletload, but when sent onesy-twosy in a courier truck tend to get tweaked. You might not find a crack until you fill the tray. You're better off going to the shop and getting them yourself.
I've discussed numerous times in this thread why I don't use clay pellets. They're not as recyclable as you may think. They are hard to properly clean free of all old root matter and sterilise; they will accumulate nute salt crusts and eventually be unusable. If you can't clean and sterilise them, root diseases and insect larvae may be propagated from crop to crop. When you do eventually dispose of pellets (which won't burn, either, BTW), they're heavy and unusual enough looking to draw attention if bags split and spill in rubbish collection.
Yes, disposing of media from each crop generates a lot of waste (about 6 soccer ball sized bags per crop for me), but using a lightweight medium makes disposal easy. I dispose of old Fytocell and floc media with rootballs in common rubbish- and I don't feel too bad about it. Here's why.
After harvest, I let the pots of mixed floc & fytocell media dry out, remove any leaf matter and then double bag in recycled plastic grocery bags, same as all my other rubbish. Yes, it's hydro media, although not near as commonly identifiable as hydro media as pellets are, should a bag split. Looks like old insulation material.
Whether you use pellets or anything else, you will be disposing of rootballs, which will invariably trap at least some of your media in them. Rootballs can not be identified with the naked eye as being necessarily from cannabis plants, nor do cannabis rootballs smell anything like buds. It would essentially take DNA testing or some other expert botanical analysis to determine what sort of plant they came from.
I still would not want to leave any credit card receipts in the old grocery bags I use, but I seriously doubt a cop could get a warrant for cause of finding rootballs from a unidentified plants in my rubbish bin... and LEO could dream ON if applying to a judge for a warrant based on suspect materials mixed up with waste from dozens of houses in a rubbish truck or tip. Once it's in the truck, you're pretty well off the hook. Rootballs as such are 'warm' grow op waste, to be handled with some sense, but it'd be hard to call nonspecific rootballs 'probable cause' or 'reasonable suspicion' as might be applied to a bag of perfumey post-manicuring leaf trimmings ('hot' waste) found in your bin.
Fresh media every time prevents problems and eliminates a troubleshooting step when you do have trouble. Don't be too paranoid about 'warm' garden wastes.
Look in your local hydro shops for flood tables. I would be hesitant to mail order them. They're big, costly to ship and often fragile and easy to damage in common trucking delivery when sent one at a time. They ship OK by the palletload, but when sent onesy-twosy in a courier truck tend to get tweaked. You might not find a crack until you fill the tray. You're better off going to the shop and getting them yourself.
I've discussed numerous times in this thread why I don't use clay pellets. They're not as recyclable as you may think. They are hard to properly clean free of all old root matter and sterilise; they will accumulate nute salt crusts and eventually be unusable. If you can't clean and sterilise them, root diseases and insect larvae may be propagated from crop to crop. When you do eventually dispose of pellets (which won't burn, either, BTW), they're heavy and unusual enough looking to draw attention if bags split and spill in rubbish collection.
Yes, disposing of media from each crop generates a lot of waste (about 6 soccer ball sized bags per crop for me), but using a lightweight medium makes disposal easy. I dispose of old Fytocell and floc media with rootballs in common rubbish- and I don't feel too bad about it. Here's why.
After harvest, I let the pots of mixed floc & fytocell media dry out, remove any leaf matter and then double bag in recycled plastic grocery bags, same as all my other rubbish. Yes, it's hydro media, although not near as commonly identifiable as hydro media as pellets are, should a bag split. Looks like old insulation material.
Whether you use pellets or anything else, you will be disposing of rootballs, which will invariably trap at least some of your media in them. Rootballs can not be identified with the naked eye as being necessarily from cannabis plants, nor do cannabis rootballs smell anything like buds. It would essentially take DNA testing or some other expert botanical analysis to determine what sort of plant they came from.
I still would not want to leave any credit card receipts in the old grocery bags I use, but I seriously doubt a cop could get a warrant for cause of finding rootballs from a unidentified plants in my rubbish bin... and LEO could dream ON if applying to a judge for a warrant based on suspect materials mixed up with waste from dozens of houses in a rubbish truck or tip. Once it's in the truck, you're pretty well off the hook. Rootballs as such are 'warm' grow op waste, to be handled with some sense, but it'd be hard to call nonspecific rootballs 'probable cause' or 'reasonable suspicion' as might be applied to a bag of perfumey post-manicuring leaf trimmings ('hot' waste) found in your bin.
Fresh media every time prevents problems and eliminates a troubleshooting step when you do have trouble. Don't be too paranoid about 'warm' garden wastes.
closet.cult
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this is a great thread with lots of info. thanks ABF.
cmak40
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these iguana juice' from advanced nutrients Organic Iguana Juice Grow and Bloom | Advanced Nutrients | Organic Fertilizer are fomulated to do in hydro setups al. they're like the happy medium between smokers and yielders i think. basically what i was looking for. im gona try and let you know what i think. also thanks for the knowledge here im sure it helps lots of people. (me especially, im COPYING your setup almost to a T except the nutes and a couple other things) but thanks alot
also Al do you know of any other pathogen control or do you think changing the res every week instead of waiting 2 would suffice for pathogen control?
Al B. Fuct
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Thanks.
You act like there's some sort of smoking difference in the buds raised with standard and 'organic' hydro nutes. There's not.
What passes the plants' root barrier is basic elements such as N, P & K. Makes not ONE whit of difference whether the N came from ammonium nitrate or from compost tea- other than standard nutes are more bioavailable than organics, which have to break down to elements before absorbtion.
The biggest difference between so-called 'chemical' and 'organic' nutes is that there's some additional complexities for organic users. I don't know what I would do if I could not use H2O2 in my tanks.
I'm glad you're finding some useful data... instead of making up your mind what you want to do, convincing yourself that it's better than what you see running in my op and sallying forth. You are pretty much on your own when it comes to organic nutes, but you're quite welcome to start your own thread to discuss the stuff.
Chlorination will suppress pathogens in an open tank of nutes for about 2-4 days, when the chlorine evaporates from the solution. After that it's a free-for-all microbial fuckfest in a yummy nutrient soup for any passing algae, fungus spore, etc.
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hahaha i appreciate your responses and i love the drawing! brilliant. this thread has some good shit in it, thanks for all the information Al.
Al B. Fuct
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panhead
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Im with the guy who said earlier in the thread he was gonna get his sister to give you head for all the good info,now i just gotta find a sister to buy for the night.Does that mean you want the steak knives?
When I run out of those, you'll have to settle for a OpenDNS. Real good for cutting beer cans in half, great for those times when you just gotta have half a beer can.
...But this is a limited time offer, so call now!
Best thread ever !
sk3tch3
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it never stops getting better!!!
RisingStock
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Wow, I learn something new EVERY time I check in here. Thanks a million Al, you're like the Encyclopedia Brown of Indoor Op's.
I've started my own Op, completely trying to copy everything I've learned here. Only difference is, it's going to be DWC, just because that's been where I've had the experience. As Al said, maybe on what....page 40 of this huge thread, someday someone will try to run this op using DWC and photo it. Well, that day has come. It won't be anywhere as good as Al's initially, but hopefully, someday. (That day being probably multiple years in the future.)
Anyone interested, please check:
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/55028-sog-dwc-grow-op.html
It's presently on week 5 from seed, so it's going to be a while.
Any constructive comments will be appreciated.
Ride with me.
I've started my own Op, completely trying to copy everything I've learned here. Only difference is, it's going to be DWC, just because that's been where I've had the experience. As Al said, maybe on what....page 40 of this huge thread, someday someone will try to run this op using DWC and photo it. Well, that day has come. It won't be anywhere as good as Al's initially, but hopefully, someday. (That day being probably multiple years in the future.)
Anyone interested, please check:
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/55028-sog-dwc-grow-op.html
It's presently on week 5 from seed, so it's going to be a while.
Any constructive comments will be appreciated.
Ride with me.
Al B. Fuct
once had a dog named
Well, thanks for that.Im with the guy who said earlier in the thread he was gonna get his sister to give you head for all the good info,now i just gotta find a sister to buy for the night.
Best thread ever !
If you're going to buy a sister, make sure you look like Joliet Jake before you say "Your women! I vant to buy your women. Ow moch vor zeee leetle gorl?"
And then run like hell.
Originally Posted by Al B. Fuct
...After that it's a free-for-all microbial fuckfest in a yummy nutrient soup for any passing algae, fungus spore, etc.
While colourful, it's an accurate depiction of what's going on in a nute tank. Mould & fungi spores as well as bacteria are quite literally EVERYWHERE. it's a good thing you can't see most them... because it would freak you right the fuck out.
If cannabis plants will like your nitrogen rich, oxygenated nute sauce, you can bet other plants will as well- unless you deprive them of the opportunity. Single celled plants like algae and mould/fungi don't stand a chance when there's an oxidiser like H2O2 present in the solution.
However, cannabis roots are not harmed at all by 1ml/L concentrations of 50% grade H2O2 in nute solutions. Roots get seriously off on the oxygen released when H2O2 breaks down simple organic matter and are really quite tolerant of H2O2 in the nutes. I've accidentally double dosed tanks with no ill effects.
Al B. Fuct
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I've been thrashing the same 130 or so 175mm pots in my system for about 7-8 years now. Many are cracked or otherwise damaged. Bought them so long ago that the place I last got them from has gone out of biz.
Could not find plain old black 175mm plastic pots to save my life at Bunnies, dollar shops, Kmart, not even at my local, usually-way-too-expensive-so-last-resort-only Flower Power shop.
Hit the web, found these guys:
Garden City Plastics
Whoomp, there it is. Every possible size and colour.
2 stacks of 70 black 175mm pots cost $63 cash money off their whse dock, $0.45 a pot, about 1/3 the price for near sized pots elsewhere. Bargain.
Could not find plain old black 175mm plastic pots to save my life at Bunnies, dollar shops, Kmart, not even at my local, usually-way-too-expensive-so-last-resort-only Flower Power shop.
Hit the web, found these guys:
Garden City Plastics
Whoomp, there it is. Every possible size and colour.
2 stacks of 70 black 175mm pots cost $63 cash money off their whse dock, $0.45 a pot, about 1/3 the price for near sized pots elsewhere. Bargain.
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