Friends are trying to get me to consider dropping

Johnny Retro said:

I think your too hung up on what people think man. "gateway drug" is what the government calls it. I do drugs because i like exploring the altered state of mind. Im not ashamed in that. It seems like you constantly argue weather its a gateway drug or not. Why does it matter is what im wondering? People who belive that its a gateway drug are always gona belive that. No matter how much you argue, its truely hard to change someones mind.

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Well the essence of what im saying is weed is the closest drug to be accepted by the most amount of people. So by not trying other things i am giving the anti-marijuana groups one less argument. Eventually killing all of there arguments and winning this failed war on marijuana. The only way to move to pass legislation is to play there game unless were going to some how take every single anti pot member of the government out of power at the same time (wont happen). So the way i see it the only way to get marijuana legislation passed it do your best to fight there fear with the truth. BUT they can only handle so much truth at one time, we cant get over the next hill till were over the first (Marijuana De-criminalization).

hey dude I dont think any ones watching you you can take acid and not tell any one, and those lobbist wont know whether you did acid or not..... and if your not intrested in taking it then dont, simple. personally I like to experince things. maybe one day you will want to do acid, you should wait untill then though.

When im trying to prove someone wrong then i can honestly say that ive never done it. Since i obviously feel strong about it i would'nt want to lie because i let down the cause. Thats the dilemma...

its not for everyone when it was offered to me I didn't think twice, I had no morel issues with it and had nothing to contemplate, it was simple a matter of do "I" want to experince this..... yes.... yes I do. you have to ask yourself the same question not a bunch of jagoffs on the internet, no offence to my brethren here at riu of course.

I also feel that lsd is much more accepted than one might think, its only not accepted by those who fear individuality and self exploration. There are many famous, inteligent people who have partaken and preached the glory of lysergic.

ThatGuy113 said:

When im trying to prove someone wrong then i can honestly say that ive never done it. Since i obviously feel strong about it i would'nt want to lie because i let down the cause. Thats the dilemma...

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well life is more for yourself. dont put so much effort into how others percieve you, and trying to impress others... you gotta start with yourself bro. If you're trying to prove shit to people all the time you definately gotta work on your self confidence, and self perception because thats a sign you don't accept/like yourself...

LSD is not something to be taken lightly, I agree with you there. Of course there are risks. But it's not something to be taken too heavily either. For you to have so many question marks in your skull I would say you have already made up your mind not to experiment. And you have already put a negative aura around it in your mind to feel you have to keep your use totally secret - something that you will be ashamed of. That's how it sounds to me. You are obviously not open to it. And there's nothing wrong with that. Cliché, but go with your gut on this one. Overthinking is a recipe for paranoid delusion, IMO.

And to comment on an earlier remark you made: I have to say that the positives outweigh the negatives IME, without a doubt ;D

Its not that i have any problem with it. If there was a tangible way to guarantee a good hit 100% of the time then id prob go for it. Lets face it some people are shady and even though my friends are getting good stuff from a good source i still would hate to be the exception to the rule and get a bad hit. Yes thats based on fear but its not based on fear of the drug but fear of the supplier cause people love money so they will do whatever to obtain it.

And on the side of not continuing the stereotype of gateway drugs. You have to give them a reason to listen to your arguments, cause to them if you say weed isnt a gateway drug but youve tried other drugs is like saying admitting something is terrible but you still do it. In other words there wont be much merit to your arguments in the eye of the anti drug movement in general and that is who you have to convince if we ever want fair treatment for marijuana laws and possible decriminalization on a national level.

I guess what im saying is i question everything so i really know whats going on its a natural defense and it is who i am. If i don't question things then i can get sucked into not caring about whats going on around me.

Can you please clarify what you mean by a 'bad' hit? As mentioned before, most, if not all 'bad trips' are a result of ones set and setting. Not the sacrement itself.

CaNNaBiZ CaNucK said:

Can you please clarify what you mean by a 'bad' hit? As mentioned before, most, if not all 'bad trips' are a result of ones set and setting. Not the sacrement itself.

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A bad hit would be a set of tabs that were not made for quality but for money. As i mentioned earlier there was a man who lived on my street who never came back from a trip. He had extensive brain damage from getting a bad dose. Yes this could of been a exception to the rule but its still a risk non the less.

I see. Well, I would tend to argue that this man down the street did not lose his marbles from a 'bad' dose, as you also suggested, but rather a slew of other bad decisions he made or through natural imbalances aggravated by chemical abuses. I'm definitely not trying to argue with you here, but there is such an infinitessimally small chance you'll get some poison posing as LSD. I've been around the block a while I have never heard anything of the sort. There are many chemicals put onto blotter or into panes such as DOx's that are claimed to be LSD and if you are unlucky enough to land yourself an imposter you still are not going to turn into the man down the street as a result of it 99.999% of the time. But of course the risk is there, just like jumping into your car everyday. If the risk is too great for you, then by all means avoid it. But when you think about, all life is is one big risk/reward game, generally speaking, and that, my friend, can only be weighed in each and every one of our own minds.

i have known alot of people who were afraid to take acid for many different reasons. personally i think the psychedlic to be really cautious of is mushrooms. i have always know them to be way more unpredictable. whatever u decide to do make ur choice wisely.

I dont think ur heart is going to get wieghed and that youll have to speak the truth when you die... You are so worried about becoming someone other than what society wants you to be so you are acting as a puppet of society, Why do u give a fuck about what other ppl think, is ur lifes mission to be only a one-type "drug" user because society tells you that youre no good cuz youve used weed as a gateway drug? And the choice or want to do another drug just because you use Mj doesnt mean its a gateway drug it means that u can make choices for your own self and if you choose to do other substances, well then thats your choice Not because the effects of Mj made you.. its a a plant that gets u stoned, not want to see how crazy u can get with substances. But anyways y are u trying so hard to stay away from the stereotype is a gateway drug. that shit is fed to people who dont know the reality and are scared of even the thought of something going wrong with society and thats not what lifes fuckin about, being normal or Acceptable to others because of the way you choose to live your life not only on the personal level but the whole thought of your existence why your alive and why u choose to live and make choices that u do and what your core beliefs are... If you havent found the person in yourself yet and are only worried about what others will think well then dont do acid. its something u do for yourself, not for someone who is always trying to be accepted. Its your life your brain your thoughts you explore you do what you want to .if ur uncomfortable with being a part of a stereotype than u prolly shuldnt do it because u seem like one who would regeret losing their society virginity :'(

Well to the other side, people who try drugs in the first place are to them a puppet of drugs and has given in to a terrible social ill. The only chance we have to make pro marijuana laws get passed quicker and more efficiently is to make pot less scary for non users and anti pot people. So basically its my attempt at being bi partisan lol, Im trying to play by their rules so our side can win. We beat them at there own game and the only real way i see doing that would be to liken marijuana even MORE to alcohol and tobacco (Cause they love those two things). At the same time though kind of separate weed from the other drugs. Now by separating i do mean in any way discredit or demean other drugs it just means dont talk about those to the other side. Im not pro society at all, i have a lot of problems with society and i truly do not care on a personal level what they think. What im trying to say i guess is im putting on a show for the other side of the pot argument, the only way they are going to give in is A. Making Money B. Making it more acceptable to the fox news crowd.

I have a brother in law that is half way through police academy and is a good example of why i think the way i do. We were having a conversation that somehow lead to a opium documentary i watched a couple days before that. Eventually, weed got brought up in the conversation and it bothered me how much the drug war has gotten to non smokers. The first thing he brought up was in fact the gateway drug argument, "Well weeds a gate way drug so we could never legalize it" and then went on to talk about how it would be easier for kids to get it. Both of those things have been diss proven but it is still popular belief among the citizens that have a stereotype in their head. Making this less scary is the idea because maybe then we will attract more medical users who could really use the benefits of such a great medicine. When that happens then we will have our ideas and thoughts planted in the heads of those regular Americans. Me fighting the gateway drug issue is like having a student in 4th grade history. They dont know much about the information just yet so your going to take it slow and just hit the most basic elements. Now you wouldnt go and try to teach the student political science at the same time. Its to much we need to get over the first hill then we can work on the second, they are uneducated about what marijuana really is.

People are stuck in their own personal bubble, everything else is scary.

if in your gut it's "no" then it's no and don't do it, Your friends should respect your decision. Mine pestered me about it for awhile, but I told them it wasn't my thing and they dropped it. If you're interested in dropping RESEARCH it. Read about peoples good trips and bad trips, see what is does to your brain and body. Then you'll either want to do it or not. For me it's still a NO, been around too many bad trippers. IDC what a good trip is like I NEVER want a bad trip. Only way to make sure that doesn't happen is to not do it.

ANC said:

In my experience those with the most questions, should stay the farthest away.
Too active minds for complete surrender.

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Puffer Fish said:

You are a perfect product child of the war on drugs ....(etc. etc. edited out to save space by Sr. Verde)

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gogrow said:

I am a firm believer that "bad acid" is an urban legend.... no bad acid only bad mindsets, and it seems you could possibly fall into that category.... stay away from hallucinogens until YOU actually want to do them, if ever.

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I agree with these guys! They are very knowledgeable people you should listen to them! They all make very valid points.

LSD will bring your subconscious to the surface, I don't believe there can be 'bad acid' that makes a person go crazy. If anything its the opposite, I've heard of studies going on now looking at how LSD may help with mental illnesses and a few other things. They are talking about giving people VERY low doses though. Go google it!

I recently took the LSD plunge a week ago. I've tripped mushrooms and salvia (a lot) and L was by far my favorite substance. You just have to greet the substance with open arms, and if your not ready to do that then I wouldn't take it. It's your body, your mind, only you say what you take. However, don't go around thinking your not going to take it because an acid trip might make you crazy for life or ruin your life, because if you did that your just lying to yourself.. Think of it like an intense journey into yourself that your not quite ready for yet.

I think you guys r all crazy for even wanting to do acid. when i was in highschool we used to call friday fry-day. until one friday we were having a good time tripping one of my good friends had a bad trip starting talking all crazy then decided to get butt naked and take off walking down the street needless to say he had a long night. i think the following friday another friend had a bad trip and got violent i havent touched it since. that was probably 13 years ago and to this day u can see the effects of those bad nights on both of my buddies the naked guy still makes involuntary movements that he doesnt even realize hes doing but he keeps his clothes on now. grom my expierence with it my opinion would be to stay the hell away from it

LSD was never meant for young developing brains...

ANC said:

LSD was never meant for young developing brains...

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i dont think its good for anykind of brain

valley grower said:

i dont think its good for anykind of brain

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I completely agree

Me too, allthough I am way past the point of mental stability which makes acid a good idea, I had some wonderfull times and insights on it, some of it plain terrifying, but still good in hindsight as lessons in perception. That stuff turns up my IQ until it hurts.