friend hardcore defoliated couple plants... need some input

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Uncle Ben

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Ok to get this thread back on track... seems to be getting bigger leafs than few days ago. Thats plus. Buds have moved towards light deffinetly. No difference in bud growth though. Bottom buds that were prett much hairs have gotten some thickness but nothing to noticeable... updated my thread in hydro section with alot of pics.
This is week 4 day 5... plenty of time left i guess. I did lower nutrient levels too
Friend, it's what is to be expected, they look pathetic but thanks for having the balls to post them.

I rest my case....
 

Uncle Ben

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like i said it makes no sense to get upset about something that is not your business
i am able to disagree with people without getting upset in the process
perhaps this is more about how folk conduct themselves and what message they send out when they display ignorance and arrogance by the truck load
if someone is failing to get his message across and is sick of helping lots of newbies with the same problem , then he can either give up. or perhaps try preaching a different gospel
either way this is none of my concern, i am not responsible for the emotional stability of strangers on the internet

i am happy you have saved money, although i am a little worried that you needed to come to a forum and ask for help in order to save thousands
are you unable to do your own research ? perhaps this is knowledge UB gave you that saved you thousands is special knowledge that only he knows ?

peace :)
You don't grow cannabis nor have you ever. You're another poser. RIU is full of them.
 

ElfoodStampo

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Why would you want to defoliate? First time double harvesting and i'm loving it. Try to keep as many leaves as possible so you can collect more for your time. Flushing? why? maybe you are over fertilizing your plants so unless that is what happened i wouldn't bother... I'm going to rely more on drying and curing it good...
Srry man I was just toying with the info you gave me that breaking stems and leaves or whatever produced a response in the plant to create bud. If that's the case then removing energy deposits would (i think) cause the plant to go to the next source of sugar, the inner leaves of the buds. So simultaneously you finish out the plant while gaining extra weight. Thats what was going through my brain. But as usual I am quite high right now.I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing.. Thanks again.
 

Uncle Ben

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i would rather learn for myself than follow a specific guide
but then again when i started growing there was no internet
I assume that was after you and the U.S.S. Enterprise crew came across the S.S. Botany Bay, an old-style, pre-warp sleeper ship from Earth that contains several celestial cannabis bodies in stasis....as that nasty Uncle Khan went after the beautiful Lieutenant Marla McGivers, the big breasted ship's historian who has a passion for strong-willed posers who appear to be bucking for the level of Captain.
 

PJ Diaz

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Well less then a year ago a large farm was raided by the Feds and local authorities. The search warrant was obtained specifically because of pictures published in a newspaper story earlier. They cited publicizing the pictures were grounds to pull each growers card since it was against the stated regulations. The farm owner was arrested on federal charges and supposedly every individual grower had their legal grow status pulled.

But I'm sure you know better since you live in California and there is no mmp then the one in your state right? Even before this story I was warned about posting pics on CL that could be considered publicising my grow site. Since I belong to a clone exchange, I do it anyways. But like I said, why would I just to appease someone here? No motivation for me.
Oh I know all about TOR and use it quite extensively in places like SR.

Like I said it is not something they really enforce and I post pics of clones on CL. That farm was just on the radar because it was so large and the newspaper story was just a big fuck you and so the state retaliated. I'm just a guy with a few patients, they don't care about me. But I'm not gonna play reindeer games with trolls looking for dick comparisons contests with only my dick. I actually believe I have posted pics before here at rollitup up but not to appease trolls.
Hmm.. It sounds like you can't really back up your claims of posting pics of your "legal" medical grow being against regulations, aside from some general hearsay. I expected you might link me to your local ordinance for me to review. Instead you talk about some likely misinformation from a newspaper article. Obviously they were busted because they weren't really legal. It sounds like you might be concerned too, because you might not actually really be fully legal yourself. Hmm..

Oh, and speaking of posers, here comes one now..

Why would you want to defoliate? First time double harvesting and i'm loving it. Try to keep as many leaves as possible so you can collect more for your time. Flushing? why? maybe you are over fertilizing your plants so unless that is what happened i wouldn't bother... I'm going to rely more on drying and curing it good...
Seriously dude, get through one harvest before you keep talking shit and acting like some expert. It doesn't count as a double harvest when you do the first harvest two weeks early. White Widow is an 8 week strain at least, not a 6 week strain like you harvested this bud at:


https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/603718-6-weeks-zeed-10.html#post8699152

It's supposed to look like this, by the way:

 

Alexander Supertramp

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No I think your a greasy no life troll that can't handle when people fight back so you cry like a little bitch. And your too stupid to figure out when someone just fucking with you. No wonder why so many have put you on ignore.
You hit the nail right on the head. He just wants to stir the pot, then set back and watch the fight. Same old shit, just a different day and thread....PJ pretty much rolls the same way. I recommend ignoring them both....
 

Thundercat

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I think we need to ignore all these people that make a game of trolling, and abusing others. There are way to many of them, and they are not all new guys. Ub you have some fantastic knowledge, but you need to loose the attitude. It makes you look juvenile the way you attack people for having their own views/ideas. You are not the king of cannabis, and if you don't like a thread topic, or what the OP has to say just skip that thread. The only reason I can see that you would choose to behave in such a manner is if your just really bored. Perhaps all you guys that bring negativity to these threads should all take some time off of the internet and focus on your real lives. I am very selective about which threads I post on, and what advice I give or don't. Rather then try to shove my believes down others throats I choose to live and let live. I choose to encourage people, that includes encouraging them to experiment to "find whats best for them". If they choose to do something and it turns out bad then that sucks lesson learned, we've all done it at some point.

At the top of this page UB tells the OP his plants look pathetic, first I completely disagree, they surely look pretty decent. Using this negativity to reinforce your beliefs doesn't make you any more right, and it does erode your credibility. You could have simply said thanks for posting the pics, you didn't need to tear this guy down. We all know how you feel about this topic, so if you don't have anything useful to bring to the discussion why bother?

Several of you keep getting mad at skunkdoc, when he has said multiple times he doesn't think defoliation makes sense. The only other thing he has commented on is all of your childish behavior, silly arguments, and negativity. He has also simply stated that some people have to learn for themselves. The OP said his partner has offered to take any "loss" himself, and when/if there is a loss he will have learned he went over board.

What are you all gonna say if those 2 plants weigh more?
I'm not saying they will but as I've added to this thread before I don't think your gonna loose as much as you think. Unlike others I will state that, that is my Opinion, and I hope for the sake of your harvest that I'm correct. If I'm wrong then it won't be the first time this week and I'll live with it. So if they did happen to some how weigh more, was it not because of the defol? Was it because of some other factor, if so what?

I'm not trying to be offensive to anyone, only provide a level headed view of the situation, and offer some on topic questions to maintain the direction of the conversation.
 

skunkd0c

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You don't grow cannabis nor have you ever. You're another poser. RIU is full of them.
You have seen many pictures of my plants in various threads. are you seriously that absent minded ?
your insults carry no weight they simply display your lack of tolerance to the opinions of others
you are a botanist, right ? a man of science , and this is how you conduct yourself, with language like


Look you little piece of shit 15 year old troll....hand the keyboard back off to your big brother and go to bed.UB




this is how teenagers communicate with each other on YouTube, i guess this is how Internet botanist's communicate too, but seriously whom are you trying to be now ?
with your not so witty retorts, something about you reminds me of Walter Mitty

your plants are full of yellow and half dead leaves your colas are not very large your plants are basically average, yet you carry on like a guru with your hilarious topping to get 4 colas guide

you have been called out as a fraud by many growers on this forum, on various threads
your views are outdated, you are ignorant you inhibit progress , you maybe of some help to non growers/newbies to get them started
that is where your views should stay, in the newbie section


you are the culprit that makes claims that everyone should grow like you,
you preach rather than teach, and get nasty when you are corrected which is well documented again through various threads and posts on RIU

either you are considerably arrogant or you think everyone is blind
you have the great skill of selective blindness, ignoring posts when you are corrected, choosing very carefully which posts you respond to

since it is you that claims to know everything because you are a scientist, i would say the onus is on your to provide expert pictures of expert plants, since you are an expert
to the contrary all you have done is provide insults and mediocre plants with dead leaves on them
step up, or quit the bullshit chump .. impress me
 

akula

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You hit the nail right on the head. He just wants to stir the pot, then set back and watch the fight. Same old shit, just a different day and thread....PJ pretty much rolls the same way. I recommend ignoring them both....
Yeah I am one step ahead already done. I am seeing there is a subset of people here that follow UB around and try to troll him. If you agree with something he says, then you become a target. I don't have time for trolls like those and don't bother with people who are stuck in being envious of others, so much so they become anti-fans and it engulfs them. It's almost like a sickness.
 

Beachside

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You are all a bunch of fucking losers! Look at you all posting all day all week long about drivel that you should have learned in middle school! Then the most moronic attack someone for pushing scientific fact. I would say lay off the pipe and go take some classes at UC Davis but I am quite sure that you rejects from the real world have yet to graduate high school. You are so fucking stupid you can't even see why a professional would be so pissed at your misrepresentation of logic. But please go beat the shit out of your plant... You know best. The bullshit rhetoric started in the early am on a weekday and continued all day long.... Get the fuck out of your mothers basement and get a fucking life! You are arguing against well proven science... You are a luddite, a moron and egomaniac. I am glad people like you all are out there! Otherwise people wouldn't drive all the way out here to cali to buy their meds! Hahahahahahaha

But seriously. Your lives sound pitiful! Go to school and when you do you might learn to respect knowledge and appreciate the work of others before you. Maybe then you can get a job so instead of going online and playing with your little dick all day you could actually help make the world a better place. Or you could just be a worthless, greedy, self serving son of a bitch who only cares about making money. But as I see it now you are neither. Looser Internet wannabes.... Please enlighten me with all you experience growing in a box with house fluorescent light! Hahahahahahaha here is a little science... The peramiters of your experement are inherently FUBAR! If you think you are helping anyone guess again. All you are accomplishing is documenting, in painstaking detail, you ignorence and inadequacy concerning the growth of the one plant in the world which grows everywhere. I gaurantee the majority of you could not get an orchid to bloom if you had ten years to try!
 

skunkd0c

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You are all a bunch of fucking losers! Look at you all posting all day all week long about drivel that you should have learned in middle school! Then the most moronic attack someone for pushing scientific fact. I would say lay off the pipe and go take some classes at UC Davis but I am quite sure that you rejects from the real world have yet to graduate high school. You are so fucking stupid you can't even see why a professional would be so pissed at your misrepresentation of logic. But please go beat the shit out of your plant... You know best. The bullshit rhetoric started in the early am on a weekday and continued all day long.... Get the fuck out of your mothers basement and get a fucking life! You are arguing against well proven science... You are a luddite, a moron and egomaniac. I am glad people like you all are out there! Otherwise people wouldn't drive all the way out here to cali to buy their meds! Hahahahahahaha


But seriously. Your lives sound pitiful! Go to school and when you do you might learn to respect knowledge and appreciate the work of others before you. Maybe then you can get a job so instead of going online and playing with your little dick all day you could actually help make the world a better place. Or you could just be a worthless, greedy, self serving son of a bitch who only cares about making money. But as I see it now you are neither. Looser Internet wannabes.... Please enlighten me with all you experience growing in a box with house fluorescent light! Hahahahahahaha here is a little science... The peramiters of your experement are inherently FUBAR! If you think you are helping anyone guess again. All you are accomplishing is documenting, in painstaking detail, you ignorence and inadequacy concerning the growth of the one plant in the world which grows everywhere. I gaurantee the majority of you could not get an orchid to bloom if you had ten years to try!

what a lovely small wall of text, are you a gangsta by any chance ?
 

Bud Brewer

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What I find amusing is all the people who argue for week's about something they have never done but use and incourage other training methods like topping that slows a plant to a crawl check out my defoliation test the topped ones are so far behing the defoliated or natural ones and doesn' t have much better branching but defoliated and natural are even and twice the size of topped ones.

Rick I have posted on page five from someone who has defoliated more than half a plant once unlike Ub.

Your plants will be fine at worst you come up even most likely a bit more bud.

They got a little shock from taking all the leaves at once off a big plant I do it over a couple of days I did a half defoliation at three weeks flower and again a couple of weeks before chop I should have taken more off mine they are supper leafy.
 

bird mcbride

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Mj can be highly resiliant given the correct enviroment. Unless the plant is severed at the base there is always the possibility that the plant can not only make a comeback but go on to produce bud. It can even grow roots from a branch so even stumping, under the corret circumstances, mj could make a comeback.
 

Beachside

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Hi skunkdoc, who would have guessed ignorence and racism go hand in hand. Enjoy your worthless existence, I hear life is grand with an IQ less then 70.
 

Uncle Ben

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You have seen many pictures of my plants in various threads. are you seriously that absent minded ?
your insults carry no weight they simply display your lack of tolerance to the opinions of others
you are a botanist, right ? a man of science , and this is how you conduct yourself, with language like







this is how teenagers communicate with each other on YouTube, i guess this is how Internet botanist's communicate too, but seriously whom are you trying to be now ?
with your not so witty retorts, something about you reminds me of Walter Mitty

your plants are full of yellow and half dead leaves your colas are not very large your plants are basically average, yet you carry on like a guru with your hilarious topping to get 4 colas guide

you have been called out as a fraud by many growers on this forum, on various threads
your views are outdated, you are ignorant you inhibit progress , you maybe of some help to non growers/newbies to get them started
that is where your views should stay, in the newbie section


you are the culprit that makes claims that everyone should grow like you,
you preach rather than teach, and get nasty when you are corrected which is well documented again through various threads and posts on RIU

either you are considerably arrogant or you think everyone is blind
you have the great skill of selective blindness, ignoring posts when you are corrected, choosing very carefully which posts you respond to

since it is you that claims to know everything because you are a scientist, i would say the onus is on your to provide expert pictures of expert plants, since you are an expert
to the contrary all you have done is provide insults and mediocre plants with dead leaves on them
step up, or quit the bullshit chump .. impress me
I have only read posing type drivel. Never saw any photos other than your stupid Spock avatar, this after searching your profile and finding no existent galleries, journals, or photo albums. Put up or shut up kid. Where are your plants?

Recommend you change your posting name to save face and start all over. I will destroy what little is left of your lame persona.

UB
 

Uncle Ben

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Rick I have posted on page five from someone who has defoliated more than half a plant once unlike Ub.
BB, you'll never be happy until you feel I have enjoined in your madness. Aint gonna happen bro, I march to a different drummer driven by botany.......so give up your fixation with me and go about your business. You've convinced yourself, OK? Is that not enough?

I really don't care what you do.

Good luck,
UB
 
Removing leaf?

Hmmm, well most growers problem is getting the leaf to stay on. So it's best to strive for as for as much leaf health as you can early on.

So, if you are in the catagory that you feel that your plants don't maintain that vibrant radiant leaf health. It's probably not as benificial to remove any leaf.

Another factor will be plant size (as will plant/leaf density), taking into consideration if you are growing very small plants (like I am at the moment) Because of the compact size, defoliation is most likely not an option for me.

Strain difference, sativas tend to keep growing and making more leaf, some strains are more capable of producing well with limited leaf.
 
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