Free seed pre harvest pics
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SimonD
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JASON79
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thanks simonI veg for 4-5 weeks from seed, and 3-4 weeks from clone for a 2gal pot.
I don't top at all; takes too long for the plant to recover and there's always a dominant/recessive branch to contend with. LST only. As you can see from the training pics, the methodology is systematic. Everything is done the same way every time in order to arrive at 5-8 main stems at the end of veg. Often I see folks trying to get as many stems to go up as possible. While that can be effective, sometimes, in a smaller garden, for larger grow this sort of thing leads to somewhat fluffy, relatively unprofessional looking product and ultimately less yield. Ask me how I know.
Nice garden. I don't remove any leaves. Well, actually, I do very rarely. I happens when a plant has a very close intentional structure and I want to make sure that a secondary branch doesn't grow out of a given spot.
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dozer777
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Once again some great advice Simon. Going to have to PM you for some more advice on my current reveg going. They are 3 weeks since switch to 12/12. Still lots of shit growing underneath canopy.I veg for 4-5 weeks from seed, and 3-4 weeks from clone for a 2gal pot.
I don't top at all; takes too long for the plant to recover and there's always a dominant/recessive branch to contend with. LST only. As you can see from the training pics, the methodology is systematic. Everything is done the same way every time in order to arrive at 5-8 main stems at the end of veg. Often I see folks trying to get as many stems to go up as possible. While that can be effective, sometimes, in a smaller garden, for larger grow this sort of thing leads to somewhat fluffy, relatively unprofessional looking product and ultimately less yield. Ask me how I know.
Nice garden. I don't remove any leaves. Well, actually, I do very rarely. I happens when a plant has a very close intentional structure and I want to make sure that a secondary branch doesn't grow out of a given spot.
Simon
SimonD
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Hey Dozer. I took a quick look at your thread. Can you post a pic of the bottom growth? Now would be the time to take care of it.
Keep in mind that it's essentially equivalent to the first sift - best possible quality.
Once I make hash from the skuff, that pile will look pretty small in comparison. I'll post a pic.
Simon
dozer777
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Hey Simon pic of one my reveg. The bigger ones have alot more side growth going. I chopped a shitload off them already. Don't want to waste my time on popcorn buds. Any advice appreciated! Don't really want to chop too many leaves. Sorry about shitty pics but you get the idea.
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SimonD
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OK, fair enough. Looking at the pic, I'd suggest pruning the plant down to ~6 main stems, the biggest/tallest branches. Then, I'd suggest pruning those branches of their secondary growth. How much depends on how the plant looks after the first pruning. I'll help you along, if you decided to go this way. Too, if you can, put a ruler next to the plant so that we can get somewhat precise.
Another suggestion, if you don't mind. Have you considered running a 1000w light? You're using almost as much energy, but without the the benefit of the light intensity. If you have the height and the cooling, it's like firing a shotgun instead of a rifle. Hard to miss. Which lamp and reflector are you using?
Simon
dozer777
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Radiant 6 air cooled hood Lumatek digital ballast,plantmax bulb. Also running a 200cfm extractor fan on high 24/7 One fan blowing fresh air in bottom of room. 2 oscillating fans running 24/7. I didn't go with a 1000 watt due to temp problems. How about if I bump my 600 watt ballast up to the super lumens setting? This equiptment is also all brand new. There are about 8 main colas going and some side branches that already have nickle size buds going. Do I really want to chop them this far in flower? Don't want them going hermie on me. Though, i'd like to try your method on 1 or 2.
SimonD
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I'd only suggest upgrading the lamp. I tested a Plantmax 600HPS a couple of years ago. It measured and produced lose to a 400. IIRC, Plantlightinghydroponics has Sylvanias for ~$40 and 1000bulbs sells GEs for about the same price. They're both very good lamps. The Radiant6 is a fine reflector. You could have done a lot worse.
That's really up to you. I know how intimidating this can be. If you'd rather wait until your next run, it's perfectly understandable.
The odds of the plant herming are extremely slim, but you will lose some (a little) yield. The upshot is better quality bud on top.
Simon
dozer777
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I'm stuck man. Some of the side buds are really taking off now. Alot are only pea size I think i'll at least whack all of them off. Started a new thread to see what folks think. May just take the small shit off. But, thanks again Simon. Next run I will try your way on half and see how it goes. Thanks for the tip on bulbs also.
JASON79
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hi simond
could you please tel me if these are the same bulbs you are talking about
http://www.screwfix.com/p/sylvania-hps-super-tubular-hid-sodium-son-lamp-600w/75889?cm_mmc=GoogleBase-_-Datafeed-_-Electrical and Lighting-_-Sylvania HPS Super Tubular HID Sodium (SON) Lamp 600W#
thanks as i have 600w Osram Son T Plus, are these any good ?
could you please tel me if these are the same bulbs you are talking about
http://www.screwfix.com/p/sylvania-hps-super-tubular-hid-sodium-son-lamp-600w/75889?cm_mmc=GoogleBase-_-Datafeed-_-Electrical and Lighting-_-Sylvania HPS Super Tubular HID Sodium (SON) Lamp 600W#
thanks as i have 600w Osram Son T Plus, are these any good ?
dozer777
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Well Simon, I went for it and chopped a bunch off all of them this morning. After seeing what you can do I figured why not? Pic of big lady in the room was trimmed after taking picture. Sorry about poor quality pic but, it does show what reveg can do with 6 weeks veg time. Thanks for the advice. Dozer
OK, fair enough. Looking at the pic, I'd suggest pruning the plant down to ~6 main stems, the biggest/tallest branches. Then, I'd suggest pruning those branches of their secondary growth. How much depends on how the plant looks after the first pruning. I'll help you along, if you decided to go this way. Too, if you can, put a ruler next to the plant so that we can get somewhat precise.
Another suggestion, if you don't mind. Have you considered running a 1000w light? You're using almost as much energy, but without the the benefit of the light intensity. If you have the height and the cooling, it's like firing a shotgun instead of a rifle. Hard to miss. Which lamp and reflector are you using?
Simon
SimonD
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It's a brave move, sir. My wife used to cringe when I'd take a plant, right before flowering, and strip it of most of its branching. She doesn't anymore. lol
I'd also suggest removing the lowest branch seen in the pic above. Or, you can leave it and see what happens for your own edification. At harvest, you'll see a big difference between it and the others.
Everything looks great from here.
Simon
SimonD
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These are the lamps I was referring to:
http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/600w-sylvania-hps-mogul-base-grow-bulb-p-1832.html
http://1000bulbs.com/product/52931/LU0600-67610.html
Wow, the GEs are up to ~$50. I used to buy them for $20 at mdhydro. Still not a horrible deal on a quality lamp. IME, they lose ~5% of their output over a year at 12/12. I haven't testes a Son-T of any wattage. When it comes to lamps, as a rule of thumb, go for a product from a "real" company like GE, Philips, Sylvania, Ushio, etc and avoid enhanced spectrum lamps with agro-sounding names made in China. This isn't to say that all industrial lamps are great. For example, 1000bulbs sells a PlusRite (Chinese) 600HPS that's total crap.
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JASON79
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thanks simon
i will buy some Sylvania bulbs
and i have lst my plant in a bubble system, and only let 6-8 main nodes grow and trim the rest off every two weeks up till 2 week in flower and see how it goes
