Four thousand to Afghanistan

dagwood45431 said:

We have spies. They have spies. Everybody has spies. They're all assholes. I get it. I was just correcting the record.

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Not everyone's spies commit war crimes or acts of war.

ttystikk said:

Ok that said, Carter himself has said that he aggressively used the CIA to achieve foreign policy aims.

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In the middle of the cold war?

Hard to believe.

War is money.
Why didn't Obama pull us out again?
"end the war, bring our troops home".
"Wait, what? How much?".
"Now, is not the right time."

Drowning-Man said:

Oh? Aparently Korea wasnt a war either. Total bullshit. You realize legaly speaking Vietnam wasnt a war either.

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Should I argue with a homeless guy with a known meth problem?

Nah.

still waiting for the post WW II Democratic POTUS other than LBJ who started a war.

Take your time and NO spin doctoring.

Thanks.

tangerinegreen555 said:

Should I argue with a homeless guy with a known meth problem?

Nah.

still waiting for the post WW II Democratic POTUS other than LBJ who started a war.

Take your time and NO spin doctoring.

Thanks.

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So killing people in a foreign country using government forces isn't a war and you want US not to spin doctor the issue?

ttystikk said:

So killing people in a foreign country using government forces isn't a war

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No, it absolutely is NOT.

and you fucking know that.

ttystikk said:

and you want US not to spin doctor the issue?

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Actually, I was referring to you and your very 'loose' deflnition of war.

You're spin doctoring to call certain brief military actions a 'war".

And without actual national security clearance, you're judging exclusively on moral grounds.

which doesn't exactly take everything into the equation.

tangerinegreen555 said:

Should I argue with a homeless guy with a known meth problem?

Nah.

still waiting for the post WW II Democratic POTUS other than LBJ who started a war.

Take your time and NO spin doctoring.

Thanks.

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I dont have a meth problem, derp

Creature1969 said:

War is money.
Why didn't Obama pull us out again?
"end the war, bring our troops home".
"Wait, what? How much?".
"Now, is not the right time."

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It was an issue of not destabilising the region.

Obama stays there: "Broke his naive campaign commitment, liar"

Obama pulls out: "You left a power vacuum and started IS"

Just admit it, you all hate popular successful black men.

SneekyNinja said:

It was an issue of not destabilising the region.

Obama stays there: "Broke his naive campaign commitment, liar"

Obama pulls out: "You left a power vacuum and started IS"

Just admit it, you all hate popular successful black men.

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Nope, I have disdain for every POTUS since I was born. Obama was far from the worst.

Your assumption and attempt at labeling me to your wish speaks volumes though.

tangerinegreen555 said:

No, it absolutely is NOT.

and you fucking know that.



Actually, I was referring to you and your very 'loose' deflnition of war.

You're spin doctoring to call certain brief military actions a 'war".

And without actual national security clearance, you're judging exclusively on moral grounds.

which doesn't exactly take everything into the equation.

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If the government sponsored military hardware or personnel of a foreign power kills my friends or family, I'm calling it war.

The semantics have been far too overused to obscure the essential brutality of the entire exercise.

ttystikk said:

If the government sponsored military hardware or personnel of a foreign power kills my friends or family, I'm calling it war.

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You can call anything you want a 'war', then.

War on drugs, war on terrorism.

My idea of war is WWII, Korea, Viet Nam, etc.

You can call it what you like.

tangerinegreen555 said:

You can call anything you want a 'war', then.

War on drugs, war on terrorism.

My idea of war is WWII, Korea, Viet Nam, etc.

You can call it what you like.

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The war on terror has congressional approval, just like Korea and Vietnam did.

ttystikk said:

The war on terror has congressional approval, just like Korea and Vietnam did.

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Yeah. That's why I never had a problem with drones. Kept American troops off the ground to hit a target. I don't like collateral damage either, I do like American troops not put in harm's way.

I still find it to be a vague term calling it a 'war'.

ttystikk said:

If the government sponsored military hardware or personnel of a foreign power kills my friends or family, I'm calling it war.

The semantics have been far too overused to obscure the essential brutality of the entire exercise.

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The MSM would likely call that a "domestic conflict".

tangerinegreen555 said:

Yeah. That's why I never had a problem with drones. Kept American troops off the ground to hit a target. I don't like collateral damage either, I do like American troops not put in harm's way.

I still find it to be a vague term calling it a 'war'.

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Call it what you want. What I don't call drone strikes on civilians or outside of areas where our troops are located - I don't call it "defense". How about more national defense and less war? Get troops out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and all over the world. Post 9-11 moral authority to invade Afghanistan is long gone.

Fogdog said:

Call it what you want. What I don't call drone strikes on civilians or outside of areas where our troops are located - I don't call it "defense". How about more national defense and less war? Get troops out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and all over the world. Post 9-11 moral authority to invade Afghanistan is long gone.

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There are still high value Isis targets around the world, likely plotting to do terrorist attacks.

We can discuss this shit all day, but we're really guessing without complete and total knowledge.

I still remember Obama was going to stop 2 wars immediately, but when briefed on them by national security people, he changed his mind. Quickly.

My opinion might change when I know what they know.

Until then, I like drones more than boots on the ground.

And I'll bet military parents and wives would agree. They are going to try to hit those targets, one way or another.

tangerinegreen555 said:

Yeah. That's why I never had a problem with drones. Kept American troops off the ground to hit a target. I don't like collateral damage either, I do like American troops not put in harm's way.

I still find it to be a vague term calling it a 'war'.

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Right. Tell the families of those killed about the difference.

You mistakenly assume all of our actions are automatically just and right. That's not how everyone sees it.

SneekyNinja said:

It was an issue of not destabilising the region.

Obama stays there: "Broke his naive campaign commitment, liar"

Obama pulls out: "You left a power vacuum and started IS"

Just admit it, you all hate popular successful black men.

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Obamas not even black, his mothers white.

Drowning-Man said:

Obamas not even black, his mothers white.

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racist white drug addicts are now reversing the one drop rule. this is grand.

UncleBuck said:

racist white drug addicts are now reversing the one drop rule. this is grand.

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