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fdd2blk

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Philosophist said:
I appreciate the fact that you guys saw that i applied to be a mod, and now you are going to come and troll me and see if im worthy or w/e.... its cool.

Just please dont obscure the fact that Azcs and groups like them are a plague in this state. They prey on the less knowledgeable older people that have gotten the Medcards and now are left with few options. They sell second rate meds for top shelf prices, and we in Az COLLECTIVELY feel that isnt fair. They have people sign over there rights to grow, with no benefit.... and i know to this you will say
" its their own fault, they should have read the forms. Its the people that go there an support than that are keeping them running"

But it predatory business practice, and if you cant see that then im not sure what to say to make you see it. True that people that go there and PAY 400 a zip are the one supporting them... but many people dont realize there are better options out here. All im trying to do is be the antithesis of Azcs and be a promoter for home growers, and TRUE caregivers(many of whom have MANY open spots for patients that arent going filled) If that makes me a bad guy then im a bad guy ur right.......
if seeing older people getting ripped off doesnt make you fighting mad....its YOU that is wrong NOT me. What DO you stand for?

Troll me if you want, but please dont pretend that Azcs is a good thing, and dont defend them as if they were. I have alot of respect for the both of you prior to this whole thing, so plz choose a better topic to test me on, this one actually matters.
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didn't you just post this elsewhere?


all i ever tried to say was you are mistaken about clubs being "scammers". it is the fault of the buyer, NOT the seller.

somehow you all blew this WAAAY out of proportion.

this is NOT a test.
 
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irieie

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fdd2blk said:
didn't you just post this elsewhere?


all i ever tried to say was you are mistaken about clubs being "scammers". it is the fault of the buyer, NOT the seller.

somehow you all blew this WAAAY out of proportion.

this is NOT a test.
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FDD your points are valid and maybe there have been some over reactions, but you have yet to address the fact that patients cultivation rights are at stake here and the people who run these clubs are the very same people who want to open dispensaries and monopolize the production. lets us not forget the cardinal rule of supply and demand: "ALL ELSE EQUAL." this means that the price of a good or service is determined by supply and demand, so long as there are other viable alternatives to the service or good. now as the way the law is written currently, when dispensaries open, patients within a 25 mile radius will no longer be able to legally cultivate and produce their own supply (the viable alternative to $400 ounces). also the way which the maps are drawn for allocating dispensaries will make it almost impossible to not live within 25 miles of a dispensary. this system is not a coincidence, it was intentionally crafted this way by the special interests who lobbied for the amma.
 
MurshDawg

MurshDawg

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fdd2blk said:
dude, i live in cali. never even been near AZ.

you're desperate. and probably 19.
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If you live in Cali then you shouldn't get involved with Arizonian politics or at least read our ENTIRE mmj law before speaking. For Christ's sake y'all already ruined your state. That's why CA buys water and power from AZ. Get back across that there Colorada river!
 
MasterS

MasterS

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I am pro Dispensary. I am pro Co-Op. I am pro Patients growing for themselves. I am pro Caregivers. I am pro Free Market. I am against the 25 mile rule.

Dispensaries take the heat off Co-Ops. Co-ops take the heat off Caregivers. Caregivers take even more heat off personal growers. A state that only contains Caregivers and Patients growing, as a caregiver, I'd feel fucked.

$400oz at a dispensary is justifiable.
$400oz from a Caregiver/Patient is absurd

Co-ops are the ones in between that are trying to balance the demand grey area while still pulling a profit.

My goal by the end of this first year of our program is to bring the Top Shelf provided by Caregivers to drop to $150. Ambitious as hell ^_^
 
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Philosophist

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MasterS said:
I am pro Dispensary. I am pro Co-Op. I am pro Patients growing for themselves. I am pro Caregivers. I am pro Free Market. I am against the 25 mile rule.

Dispensaries take the heat off Co-Ops. Co-ops take the heat off Caregivers. Caregivers take even more heat off personal growers. A state that only contains Caregivers and Patients growing, as a caregiver, I'd feel fucked.

$400oz at a dispensary is justifiable.
$400oz from a Caregiver/Patient is absurd

Co-ops are the ones in between that are trying to balance the demand grey area while still pulling a profit.

My goal by the end of this first year of our program is to bring the Top Shelf provided by Caregivers to drop to $150. Ambitious as hell ^_^
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BAM once again MasterS has said what needs to be said! Although i hate 400 an oz....its the nature of the beast. Im not saying they should or even could lower there prices....they are what they are. But compared to grower to grower or caregiver to patient w/e....there is NO competition, and im all for making MY state a place where the patient/caregiver is king!

You are a master of words MAsterS!
 
apothecarist

apothecarist

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MasterS said:
I am pro Dispensary. I am pro Co-Op. I am pro Patients growing for themselves. I am pro Caregivers. I am pro Free Market. I am against the 25 mile rule.

Dispensaries take the heat off Co-Ops. Co-ops take the heat off Caregivers. Caregivers take even more heat off personal growers. A state that only contains Caregivers and Patients growing, as a caregiver, I'd feel fucked.

$400oz at a dispensary is justifiable.
$400oz from a Caregiver/Patient is absurd

Co-ops are the ones in between that are trying to balance the demand grey area while still pulling a profit.

My goal by the end of this first year of our program is to bring the Top Shelf provided by Caregivers to drop to $150. Ambitious as hell ^_^
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This is how you do it. Apply common sense and not act like a lunatic.
 
MasterS

MasterS

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Much love Philosophist.

I'm really enjoying the AZ MMJ community and hope we all bring this program to a respectable level that hopefully works towards the ideal.
 
apothecarist

apothecarist

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Philosophist said:
BAM once again MasterS has said what needs to be said! Although i hate 400 an oz....its the nature of the beast. Im not saying they should or even could lower there prices....they are what they are. But compared to grower to grower or caregiver to patient w/e....there is NO competition, and im all for making MY state a place where the patient/caregiver is king!

You are a master of words MAsterS!
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Nah, no confusion. That up there is all I have been saying all along. Glad you finally agree with me, because what you've saying all along is that $400 an ounce is absurd, should be lower and could be lower. Now we're on the same page!

However, the part you missed is where MasterS said dispensaries and co-ops take the heat off of caregivers and patients. Which is one of a couple reasons why I support guys who go public. Going public with rage about prices or trying to shut them down serves no purpose, other than to satisfy your own ego because some guy pissed you off. You may see them as hurting patients, but they are giving the rest of us some cover. While you see them as ripping people off, I see them as giving people another alternative and all while making the job of caregiver to patient transactions even safer. No one is forcing you to use their business model. Their prices aren't a rip-off, it's just like you said yourself - it's the nature of the beast. Think of it like Circle K. You may pay more there, but the convenience is what drives their business - not low price. If price is a concern, you have the ability to seek out alternatives, which is where caregivers step in. We have options now that are 1000 times better than how prop 203 was intended and that is a GOOD thing. Co-ops, collectives or whatever vanishing could likely lead to patients pushing harder for the dispensaries, not just potential owners and that's a BAD thing.
 
0011StealTH

0011StealTH

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davoswavos said:
You are a bunch of greedy idiots and you are bringing negative attention to az med mar it's bull shit cut the crap and quit trying to get rich your liable to fuck all of us. Med mar is to help people not to empty there pockets i will see all of you in hell. Loop hole your fucking idiots you think the state is going to let you get away with this they make the fucking laws they'll fix'm.
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greed greed greed.
stop buying from this 20 dollar gram greedy ass people.
i rember this club almost charge 70 bucks for an eight of what so called TOP shelf
bullshit.
 
BeaverHuntr

BeaverHuntr

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apothecarist said:
Nah, no confusion. That up there is all I have been saying all along. Glad you finally agree with me, because what you've saying all along is that $400 an ounce is absurd, should be lower and could be lower. Now we're on the same page!

However, the part you missed is where MasterS said dispensaries and co-ops take the heat off of caregivers and patients. Which is one of a couple reasons why I support guys who go public. Going public with rage about prices or trying to shut them down serves no purpose, other than to satisfy your own ego because some guy pissed you off. You may see them as hurting patients, but they are giving the rest of us some cover. While you see them as ripping people off, I see them as giving people another alternative and all while making the job of caregiver to patient transactions even safer. No one is forcing you to use their business model. Their prices aren't a rip-off, it's just like you said yourself - it's the nature of the beast. Think of it like Circle K. You may pay more there, but the convenience is what drives their business - not low price. If price is a concern, you have the ability to seek out alternatives, which is where caregivers step in. We have options now that are 1000 times better than how prop 203 was intended and that is a GOOD thing. Co-ops, collectives or whatever vanishing could likely lead to patients pushing harder for the dispensaries, not just potential owners and that's a BAD thing.
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I hear what you are saying but my beef with those guys is the OVER PRICED MEDS AND GRADE OF THE MEDS. If you want to charge 400 dollars a ounce I get it but it has to be "top shelf" or some clone only strain. Like a womans hand bag for instance You can buy your woman a nice designer coach bag for 200.00 or you can opt for the top of the line Louis Vuitton or Gucci bag for $700.00. I do not think that 400.00 for a ounce of Grand Daddy Purple is justifiable. Grand Daddy is hardly top shelf maybe lows-mid at best. Same goes for the Bubba Kush they are advertising 400.00 ounces of Bubba Kush... You want to charge 400.00 then it better be Pre-98 Bubba. Sure they may give people another alternative but at a high cost even then at least try to differentiate your prices from the street level drug dealers. I have no problem with clubs opening up I just feel its a shame that they have to price low-mid quality meds that high.
 
apothecarist

apothecarist

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It is what it is - supply/demand, risk/reward and all that. The market will correct itself. Do I like it? No, but thankfully they aren't the only option.
 
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irieie

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apothecarist said:
It is what it is - supply/demand, risk/reward and all that. The market will correct itself. Do I like it? No, but thankfully they aren't the only option.
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for now. how do you think the judge will rule on the lawsuit against the clubs or how will the judge rule on the lawsuit preventing the dispensaries from opening. the AMMA is still in its infancy and if you think things will remain this way or that everything will magically work itself out and patients and caregivers will be able to grow their own or have the option of going to a club or going to a dispensary, then i got a bridge to sell you in tempe. the AG and gov have come out stating that they dont want dispensaries to open nor do they want patients to be able to grow their own. the other faction with clout and money wants the dispensaries to open and doesnt want patients or caregivers to be able to grow at all. the faction of patients and caregivers have no money and very little clout (you think your vote really matters) and we will be the ones who lose in the end unless we push the issue and keep making noise.
 
apothecarist

apothecarist

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irieie said:
for now. how do you think the judge will rule on the lawsuit against the clubs or how will the judge rule on the lawsuit preventing the dispensaries from opening. the AMMA is still in its infancy and if you think things will remain this way or that everything will magically work itself out and patients and caregivers will be able to grow their own or have the option of going to a club or going to a dispensary, then i got a bridge to sell you in tempe. the AG and gov have come out stating that they dont want dispensaries to open nor do they want patients to be able to grow their own. the other faction with clout and money wants the dispensaries to open and doesnt want patients or caregivers to be able to grow at all. the faction of patients and caregivers have no money and very little clout (you think your vote really matters) and we will be the ones who lose in the end unless we push the issue and keep making noise.
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How long? Before the Feds started cracking nuts again, I figured we might see dispensaries before the end of this year. Now? Not so sure. All I am saying is it's the co-ops we should be defending because we're fucked if the DHS starts issuing licenses. I don't care if they charge $5000 an ounce, they have my support.
 
Wolfhound

Wolfhound

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If we're lucky all the BS will stop & we can grow for ourselves & caregivers can grow for others at a reasonabe cost. We do not need storefronts or businesses to make money and set a bad community example as they have already.
I just dont get why kids & a lot of the users in their 20s think they need dispensaries or clubs, makes no sense to me at all. Once the federal law gets in step with reality then dispensaries , clubs etc. But now when we can grow and share between ourselves with our state cards, life is good my friends, very good right now ! '60s, '70s,'80s, & 90s were no where near as kind . . .
 
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