For all those who have anything to do with clubs

davoswavos

Active Member
You are a bunch of greedy idiots and you are bringing negative attention to az med mar it's bull shit cut the crap and quit trying to get rich your liable to fuck all of us. Med mar is to help people not to empty there pockets i will see all of you in hell. Loop hole your fucking idiots you think the state is going to let you get away with this they make the fucking laws they'll fix'm.
 

MurshDawg

Active Member
Well who among us has the resources, abilities, and heart to go against the compASSion clubs? Not saying I do not agree with you, davo. However, unless we figure out what type of law we want and get involved. we are subject to the whims of dispensary owners.
 

Isisyogi

Active Member
Dispensary and compassion clubs are two different entities. I've been working on a dispensary for a year. Jan Brewer's lawsuit halted it for now. Let me share some POVs with you that you may not have thought of which just may shift your perspective enough to get involved and vote. Bitching isn't going to accomplish dick, VOTING is. Getting others to vote is.

First off, any dispensary in the USA sits with a target on it since it is illegal at a federal level. The feds can come in at any time and rape a dispensary of all its money and product, and yet never charge the owners. Feds can keep those assets without much ado. Cost money to fight them, which they just raped you of. If you are lucky enough to remain open, you are now a larger target. The larger your grow, which most would equate to larger profits, the larger your target. A dispensary in AZ sits with a BIG ol' bullseye on it. Sheriff Joe is considered America's Toughest. Add to that, he is the former head of the DEA, which is funded by those seeking to keep MJ and thus MMJ away from the public, meaning the illegality of MMJ keeps the DEA well funded. And we are generally a Republican state. Dispensaries have to charge a lot, quite simply, their overhead is phenomenal compared to a homegrower. A homegrower is stealth.

If those who voted for Jan Brewer actually understood what Jan Brewer did to appease them, she would not have a political career. She halted dispensaries, for now. Basically, that will allow homegrowing for at least 2 years, if not longer. Yet, many of those homegrowers will sell their excess on the streets in order to recoup funding. It's the nature of the beast. The streets, or rather, the teens are the target market that the "just say no" campaign focuses on. That's the main politics of it, keeping it out of the hands of kids because it is still touted as a stepping stone drug (falsely, research "forbidden fruit syndrome"). However, had she allowed the dispensaries to open, where they are limited, monitored, regulated and taxed, the homegrowers could go and sell their excess without a hassle to the dispensaries at a reasonable, yet lower cost than street value. This benefits the dispensary and the patients, it lowers the cost, and reduces the grow facility that a dispensary needs, decreasing their overhead and the eyes of Big Brother. Mind you, the dispensaries are so monitored and regulated, that this decreases the amount of MMJ going onto the streets, keeping it away from the target market, teens. Homegrowers being able to sell to dispensaries lowers all costs in the long run and is effectively monitored via the dispensary sales regulations, plus it is taxed. Homegrowers selling to dispensaries will lower the costs on street value too, just by the sheer nature of the economic system.

Now, AZ didn't have forethought with the law we did pass. We didn't allow for the homegrowers to sell back to the dispensary, it has to be a "donation." As a dispensary, you piss off a "donator" they could very well draw attention to you, and the bullseye grows. Every time the bullseye grows, overhead grows, and that cost is naturally passed along to the patient. Bottom line is, it is a business. Not sure what the law writers were snorting and drinking, they should have been smoking instead. So now, even if AZ dispensaries were up and running, the streets would still have excess from the homegrowers. Counterproductive.

Now, "compassion clubs" as I recognize them in AZ are the clubs that are currently circumventing the law offering a "hook up" place basically. They don't sell, but they can help facilitate the deal just by the fact that all members are MMJ card holders. They sell other products, might offer a brokering service, etc. They vary. These are the danger. Not because of what they are, but because they chose to circumvent the current law which is under a microscope. Any good lawyer will tell you, don't circumvent the law, exploit it. Circumventing lends itself to a gray area, exploiting is using the law to your benefit. Creativity and thinking outside the box are necessary for this.

Boxed thinking is what your politicians rely on.

You want to make a change, get involved, do your due diligence, RESEARCH (not another's opinion), exchange ideas, and most importantly VOTE!!!!
 

BeaverHuntr

Well-Known Member
Dispensary and compassion clubs are two different entities. I've been working on a dispensary for a year. Jan Brewer's lawsuit halted it for now. Let me share some POVs with you that you may not have thought of which just may shift your perspective enough to get involved and vote. Bitching isn't going to accomplish dick, VOTING is. Getting others to vote is.

First off, any dispensary in the USA sits with a target on it since it is illegal at a federal level. The feds can come in at any time and rape a dispensary of all its money and product, and yet never charge the owners. Feds can keep those assets without much ado. Cost money to fight them, which they just raped you of. If you are lucky enough to remain open, you are now a larger target. The larger your grow, which most would equate to larger profits, the larger your target. A dispensary in AZ sits with a BIG ol' bullseye on it. Sheriff Joe is considered America's Most Toughest. Add to that, he is the former head of the DEA, which is funded by those seeking to keep MJ and thus MMJ away from the public, meaning the illegality of MMJ keeps the DEA well funded. And we are generally a Republican state. Dispensaries have to charge a lot, quite simply, their overhead is phenomenal compared to a homegrower. A homegrower is stealth.

If those who voted for Jan Brewer actually understood what Jan Brewer did to appease them, she would not have a political career. She halted dispensaries, for now. Basically, that will allow homegrowing for at least 2 years, if not longer. Yet, many of those homegrowers will sell their excess on the streets in order to recoup funding. It's the nature of the beast. The streets, or rather, the teens are the target market that the "just say no" campaign focuses on. That's the main politics of it, keeping it out of the hands of kids because it is still touted as a stepping stone drug (falsely, research "forbidden fruit syndrome"). However, had she allowed the dispensaries to open, where they are limited, monitored, regulated and taxed, the homegrowers could go and sell their excess without a hassle to the dispensaries at a reasonable, yet lower cost than street value. This benefits the dispensary and the patients, it lowers the cost, and reduces the grow facility that a dispensary needs, decreasing their overhead and the eyes of Big Brother. Mind you, the dispensaries are so monitored and regulated, that this decreases the amount of MMJ going onto the streets, keeping it away from the target market, teens. Homegrowers being able to sell to dispensaries lowers all costs in the long run and is effectively monitored via the dispensary sales regulations, plus it is taxed. Homegrowers selling to dispensaries will lower the costs on street value too, just be the sheer nature of the economic system.

Now, AZ didn't have forethought with the law we did pass. We didn't allow for the homegrowers to sell back to the dispensary, it has to be a "donation." As a dispensary, you piss off a "donator" they could very well draw attention to you, and the bullseye grows. Every time the bullseye grows, overhead grows, and that cost is naturally passed along to the patient. Bottom line is, it is a business. Not sure what the law writers were snorting and drinking, they should have been smoking instead. So now, even if AZ dispensaries were up and running, the streets would still have excess from the homegrowers. Counterproductive.

Now, "compassion clubs" as I recognize them in AZ are the clubs that are currently circumventing the law offering a "hook up" place basically. They don't sell, but they can help facilitate the deal just by the fact that all members are MMJ card holders. They sell other products, might offer a brokering service, etc. They vary. These are the danger. Not because of what they are, but because they chose to circumvent the current law which is under a microscope. Any good lawyer will tell you, don't circumvent the law, exploit it. Circumventing lends itself to a gray area, exploiting is using the law to your benefit. Creativity and thinking outside the box are necessary for this.

Boxed thinking is what your politicians rely on.

You want to make a change, get involved, do your due diligence, RESEARCH (not another's opinion), exchange ideas, and most importantly VOTE!!!!
Jan Brewer wants crime up she's all for those private prisons, those private prison companies lobby for her and I'm sure give her a fat bonus as long as she keeps the prisons full. This is AZ's fault for always being so close minded and always putting shit heads in office example : Joe Arpaio, this fool straight up stole money from the tax payers in AZ but dont worry he will do a crime sweep to catch a tortilla maker and a house keeper to make everyone forget about his shenanigans.
 

Isisyogi

Active Member
Jan Brewer wants crime up she's all for those private prisons, those private prison companies lobby for her and I'm sure give her a fat bonus as long as she keeps the prisons full. This is AZ's fault for always being so close minded and always putting shit heads in office example : Joe Arpaio, this fool straight up stole money from the tax payers in AZ but dont worry he will do a crime sweep to catch a tortilla maker and a house keeper to make everyone forget about his shenanigans.

She's such a hypocritical douche bag. I could ramble on for a long time about the political machine as a whole!! I wish that our education system focused more on politics, because our kids need to know how fucked up our system is and just what a crap fest we are handing them. Ill equipped, I might add. Don't get me started.
 

bonsai123

Member
You are a bunch of greedy idiots and you are bringing negative attention to az med mar it's bull shit cut the crap and quit trying to get rich your liable to fuck all of us. Med mar is to help people not to empty there pockets i will see all of you in hell. Loop hole your fucking idiots you think the state is going to let you get away with this they make the fucking laws they'll fix'm.
Slow down davoswavos :-).... I don't like the idea of what the clubs are as I am reading about them either. There will be lots of profiteering with any new law and the economy as it is. There will be scam artists and a number of snake oil salesman around for a time to come. Let Joe take care of them.

I just started a thread about this 25 mile rule and what needs to be done to change that. Check it out and comment.

I would like to see some patient co-ops open up. You know where it is patient to patient and maybe even shared grow areas. People helping people. That is what compassion is all about. Not profit. That is where I agree with you. It is bad enough that the black market price is $400/oz. Which means if you need the max allowed by law you would have a $2000/mth medicine bill. We The People are the sovereign ones. We have the inalienable rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. All 3 of these inalienable rights are stomped on with the way the law is now. We are the sovereign. We have an inalienable right to Life (as much medicine as our condition warrants). We have an inalienable right to Liberty (to get our medicine as cheaply as we can by growing it). We have an inalienable right to the Pursuit of Happiness and to be secure in our belongings and papers (no infringement or over zealous regulations by government).

Yes, dispensaries will need to cover their expenses and the possibilities of losing money and stock. But what about us as a patient with inalienable rights? Don't we count? The initiative was written by the future dispensary owners wanting to curtail the market and control the cost of this medicine. PROFIT....Bottom line. But we as patients have a bottom line too. DON'T TREAD ON ME.....is what comes to mind.

We do need to get angry about how this initiative is turning out. We need to start petitioning our government for true compassion and fairness. Not this control of the market to keep prices up. If we were allowed to grow and to sell excess to the dispensaries for people who can't or don't want to grow then competition will keep prices down not the government regulations keeping prices high. It is bad enough they want to tax this medicine. No other medicine is taxed. Why this?

JMHO......
 

BeaverHuntr

Well-Known Member
Slow down davoswavos :-).... I don't like the idea of what the clubs are as I am reading about them either. There will be lots of profiteering with any new law and the economy as it is. There will be scam artists and a number of snake oil salesman around for a time to come. Let Joe take care of them.

I just started a thread about this 25 mile rule and what needs to be done to change that. Check it out and comment.

I would like to see some patient co-ops open up. You know where it is patient to patient and maybe even shared grow areas. People helping people. That is what compassion is all about. Not profit. That is where I agree with you. It is bad enough that the black market price is $400/oz. Which means if you need the max allowed by law you would have a $2000/mth medicine bill. We The People are the sovereign ones. We have the inalienable rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. All 3 of these inalienable rights are stomped on with the way the law is now. We are the sovereign. We have an inalienable right to Life (as much medicine as our condition warrants). We have an inalienable right to Liberty (to get our medicine as cheaply as we can by growing it). We have an inalienable right to the Pursuit of Happiness and to be secure in our belongings and papers (no infringement or over zealous regulations by government).

Yes, dispensaries will need to cover their expenses and the possibilities of losing money and stock. But what about us as a patient with inalienable rights? Don't we count? The initiative was written by the future dispensary owners wanting to curtail the market and control the cost of this medicine. PROFIT....Bottom line. But we as patients have a bottom line too. DON'T TREAD ON ME.....is what comes to mind.

We do need to get angry about how this initiative is turning out. We need to start petitioning our government for true compassion and fairness. Not this control of the market to keep prices up. If we were allowed to grow and to sell excess to the dispensaries for people who can't or don't want to grow then competition will keep prices down not the government regulations keeping prices high. It is bad enough they want to tax this medicine. No other medicine is taxed. Why this?

JMHO......

Nice rant, and I do agree the dispensaries have a lot of over head like lawyers and electricity and employee payment employee taxes etc etc etc...All the compassion clubs are doing is acting like a dispensary..
 

irieie

Well-Known Member
However, had she allowed the dispensaries to open, where they are limited, monitored, regulated and taxed, the homegrowers could go and sell their excess without a hassle to the dispensaries at a reasonable,
once the dispensaries open the "home growers" will no longer be able to grow due to the 25 mile rule.

also the dispensaries have to produce 70% of their own medicine and all medicine available to patients must show where it originated from otherwise.

the law is written in such a way as to prohibit patients and caregivers from producing their own medicine once dispensaries are approved. so why should we welcome dispensaries? patients would be forced to pay whatever the dispensaries charge. like $400 and ounce...
 

BeaverHuntr

Well-Known Member
once the dispensaries open the "home growers" will no longer be able to grow due to the 25 mile rule.

also the dispensaries have to produce 70% of their own medicine and all medicine available to patients must show where it originated from otherwise.

the law is written in such a way as to prohibit patients and caregivers from producing their own medicine once dispensaries are approved. so why should we welcome dispensaries? patients would be forced to pay whatever the dispensaries charge. like $400 and ounce...
Oregon doesnt have dispensaries do they ?? We should just keep it "grow our own"
 

davoswavos

Active Member
I forgot I even posted this I was in a bad state when I wrote that and I have new opinions on this subject now but will always be against people taking advantage of those in need and that opinion will not change and that is going on as we speak. The negative attention from the clubs is another thing that pissed me off thats all we need is for the feds to come and start raiding our homes shooting our dogs and scaring the crap out of our children just because they want to make a point and bring fear to us because thats where it will lead to. So again I apologize for the harsh words.
 

BeaverHuntr

Well-Known Member
I forgot I even posted this I was in a bad state when I wrote that and I have new opinions on this subject now but will always be against people taking advantage of those in need and that opinion will not change and that is going on as we speak. The negative attention from the clubs is another thing that pissed me off thats all we need is for the feds to come and start raiding our homes shooting our dogs and scaring the crap out of our children just because they want to make a point and bring fear to us because thats where it will lead to. So again I apologize for the harsh words.
Dont apologize dude, fuck those compassion clubs charging 400 bucks a zone for some Grape Ape...They cry " We aren't a dispensery" , ok they why do charge prices like them and higher then them in most cases?
 

davoswavos

Active Member
Well I went on to the azcs site and there are some people on there helping out others with free meds and such so those are the folks I don't want to be bashing thats what the apology was for I guess. as far as the clubs go does anyone know anything about taxes are these guys doing this tax free that would be even more messed up. I would imagine since they claim to be non profit they're probly robbing us there to by not paying in to taxes like the rest of america when we all know your profiting if your charging that much.
 

bosco92

Member
claiming to be a non-profit is preying on peoples ignorance that they believe this business entitiy makes no profit.

as i understand it, non profits have a CEO, VP, ect. who are paid a salary.
this salary can be any amount, determined by the income of the business, and the ideas of the owners. the owners are getting paid, but they have tax advantages that other business do not have.

non profit does NOT equal people working for free. the owners still make money like any other business.
so if a dispensary/club owner says they are out only for "the patients needs, and not to make $; we are a non-profit organization" , then they are full of shit, and lying to your face.

they ARE making money. i dont know how its being taxed, i would be sure they are not paying a fedral tax on any sales, as they feds say this is not legal to do in the 1st place, so i dont think the feds can tax it to begin with.

this is business, do you really think the people working the clubs are there and not making a living? right, they just decided to quit their regular jobs and donate their time to do this out of the good of their hearts.

i have no problem with anyone making a living doing an honest days work, but dont fucking lie to the face of your clients and say its anything other than a business( that makes $).

i like having choices as a consumer, so i have no issues with clubs, or dispensaries, as long as the 25 mile rule is addressed.
the 25 mile rules screams that this innitiative was motivated by nothing more than business for those who are connected enough to gain a dispensary( if they ever open). eliminate the 25 mile rule and i think everyone wins.
 

BeaverHuntr

Well-Known Member
claiming to be a non-profit is preying on peoples ignorance that they believe this business entitiy makes no profit.

as i understand it, non profits have a CEO, VP, ect. who are paid a salary.
this salary can be any amount, determined by the income of the business, and the ideas of the owners. the owners are getting paid, but they have tax advantages that other business do not have.

non profit does NOT equal people working for free. the owners still make money like any other business.
so if a dispensary/club owner says they are out only for "the patients needs, and not to make $; we are a non-profit organization" , then they are full of shit, and lying to your face.

they ARE making money. i dont know how its being taxed, i would be sure they are not paying a fedral tax on any sales, as they feds say this is not legal to do in the 1st place, so i dont think the feds can tax it to begin with.

this is business, do you really think the people working the clubs are there and not making a living? right, they just decided to quit their regular jobs and donate their time to do this out of the good of their hearts.

i have no problem with anyone making a living doing an honest days work, but dont fucking lie to the face of your clients and say its anything other than a business( that makes $).

i like having choices as a consumer, so i have no issues with clubs, or dispensaries, as long as the 25 mile rule is addressed.
the 25 mile rules screams that this innitiative was motivated by nothing more than business for those who are connected enough to gain a dispensary( if they ever open). eliminate the 25 mile rule and i think everyone wins.
Well said.. And yes this is a non profit business so they have to be paying themselves a salary.
 

Isisyogi

Active Member
once the dispensaries open the "home growers" will no longer be able to grow due to the 25 mile rule.

also the dispensaries have to produce 70% of their own medicine and all medicine available to patients must show where it originated from otherwise.

the law is written in such a way as to prohibit patients and caregivers from producing their own medicine once dispensaries are approved. so why should we welcome dispensaries? patients would be forced to pay whatever the dispensaries charge. like $400 and ounce...

You are reading the rough draft of the new law, which dropped in January. The new draft dropped a few months later and much of it changed. The 70% changed with the current draft. It would be difficult for dispensaries to grow 70% with all the space restrictions set by the location restrictions. Yep, lots of restrictions, actually ridiculous. When you finally find a space that accommodates all the mandates, the landlords know and charge out the yin yang!! Increases overhead, increases bullseye. You have to look at the bigger picture, even though your concerns are relatively myopic. It's unfair to say that dispensaries are planning on robbing people or charging unfairly. Read, research. Tons of owners have gone out of biz, more broke than when they started.

Currently, homegrowers are allowed to grow for a year. The reason for this being that it would take time for the dispensaries open, become established, and legally grow their product. The year is anywhere regardless of miles. After a year, homegrowing would be revisited based on the timing of the nearest dispensary to you. However, since Brewer began her lawsuit, it is expected to have no resolve for another year, thus making the current home growers able to feasibly legally grow for up to 2 years. In California, similar lawsuits were started for the same reason Brewer initiated hers, it took a year, made its way through the entire court system, landing in the US Supreme Court where it was thrown out. Took a year to get there. It would stand to reason that it would be a year for AZ, unless Brewer drops it sooner. Unlikely. Therefore, one could make the very educated statement that homegrowers will be able to legally cultivate for 2 years, if not more.

The 25 mile range will be challenged and changed. That's a baby step thing, nature of the beast. It will happen. It will definitely happen.

The best thing to lower the costs across the board is for the homegrowers to be able to sell their overages to the dispensaries. Lowers cost all around. Now, mind you, a caregiver is not legally allowed to charge for MMJ, it's a donation and a reimbursement of funds which is not allowed to factor in time, meaning that all homegrowers are not allowed to factor in their time spent tending to their crop. Anyone will tell you this is bullshit. It's a time consuming thing. Lots of trial and error, lots of dialing in. Let's not forget risk factor. So, realistically, a caregiver could have a great harvest, take care of their patients needs at whatever donation amount they had, and then the excess could be sold at a reasonable rate, without hassle, to the dispensaries. This gives patients with caregivers reasonable rates, the caregiver is able to recoup funds (the loss of time the put in but could not charge their patients) from selling their excess to the dispensaries at a reasonable rate, the dispensaries are able to lessen their overhead (many aspects) and pass that savings along to the dispensary patients. The dispensary is so regulated, taxed, monitored that no MMJ is falling into the hands of those without cards, and the economy gets a boost from the tax revenue. Because the legal route would be more affordable, street value would drop as well. It's a win win. Dispensaries allow for revenue to be collected that profits the communities, which pleases the voters, which help change the laws.

Bottom line is always money. Unfortunately. Money wins elections. So if you want MMJ to not be a hassle, you have to vote with the knowledge that there has to be a "pay out" to the community at large. Revenue.

You pay $400 an ounce now for high quality, right? Do you pay sales tax on it? Federal or state? Why would you think it unfair to a business owner with a large, flashing, oscillating bullseye on them horrible for charging the same? For better quality? With no hassle? I think you want a magic garden, let me know if you find one ;)

As always, once something has been available for a length of time, the cost drops dramatically.
 

Isisyogi

Active Member
Well I went on to the azcs site and there are some people on there helping out others with free meds and such so those are the folks I don't want to be bashing thats what the apology was for I guess. as far as the clubs go does anyone know anything about taxes are these guys doing this tax free that would be even more messed up. I would imagine since they claim to be non profit they're probly robbing us there to by not paying in to taxes like the rest of america when we all know your profiting if your charging that much.

The law states it has to be set up as non-profit. Do you know why? Not so they can screw the government. It's so that they cannot use funds to elect political officials or pass laws. In other words, no helping in making it legal. No contributing to grassroots campaigns that PROTECT the patient, no contributing to political offices who align with the belief in MMJ. You've got it all wrong brother, as a hopeful dispensary owner, I'd rather be a regular company, I'd rather have a voice like all these other companies who buy the Presidency and Congress. The law was written to protect that, which is both good and bad. It's definitely a flawed system. But what is scary is that there are SO MANY people who think like you do, which is not based on fact, but assumption. Read, research, get involved and vote. You have a voice, use it. And pass along the correct information to others please.

Do you pay taxes on the weed you have been buying on the streets for years? You should be paying sales tax on it when you file your state forms. If not, then what was your point? I'm not saying you should, I'm merely pointing out that your stance is hypocritical. Worthy, but hypocritical. If you think a dispensary owner is planning on creating another larger bullseye from pissing off the IRS, you are sadly mistaken. Sure, there may be a few who do, that's life. But the IRS will rape you of assets and put you in jail for the privilege. A smart business owner won't be taking shortcuts.
 

Isisyogi

Active Member
claiming to be a non-profit is preying on peoples ignorance that they believe this business entitiy makes no profit.

as i understand it, non profits have a CEO, VP, ect. who are paid a salary.
this salary can be any amount, determined by the income of the business, and the ideas of the owners. the owners are getting paid, but they have tax advantages that other business do not have.

non profit does NOT equal people working for free. the owners still make money like any other business.
so if a dispensary/club owner says they are out only for "the patients needs, and not to make $; we are a non-profit organization" , then they are full of shit, and lying to your face.

they ARE making money. i dont know how its being taxed, i would be sure they are not paying a fedral tax on any sales, as they feds say this is not legal to do in the 1st place, so i dont think the feds can tax it to begin with.

this is business, do you really think the people working the clubs are there and not making a living? right, they just decided to quit their regular jobs and donate their time to do this out of the good of their hearts.

i have no problem with anyone making a living doing an honest days work, but dont fucking lie to the face of your clients and say its anything other than a business( that makes $).

i like having choices as a consumer, so i have no issues with clubs, or dispensaries, as long as the 25 mile rule is addressed.
the 25 mile rules screams that this innitiative was motivated by nothing more than business for those who are connected enough to gain a dispensary( if they ever open). eliminate the 25 mile rule and i think everyone wins.

Let the buyer beware comes to mind. Sorry, but by now, people should have a firm grasp on what a non-profit is. All the freaking TV evangelists that have been around for eons, getting busted for fraud, tax evasion, embezzling, etc. This has been happening since I was a kid. I'm 40. At some point, consumers, no, let's make that the public in general, needs to pull their collective head from their collective ass and start getting some knowledge through books and respected reference sources!! Our society, as a whole, needs to grow up and take on a bit of responsibility and accountability for themselves instead of relying on the media to hand feed you their special interests.

Yes, every employee in ANY non-profit can draw a salary. If you knew anything about the current job market, you would know that for the last many years non-profits have become incredibly comparable and competitive to corporate salaries. This is nothing new, and did not happen because of anything to do with the dispensary field.

I just posted a reply about non-profits. It wasn't the dispensary owners choice, it was your lovely politicians.
 

skiweeds

Active Member
You are a bunch of greedy idiots and you are bringing negative attention to az med mar it's bull shit cut the crap and quit trying to get rich your liable to fuck all of us. Med mar is to help people not to empty there pockets i will see all of you in hell. Loop hole your fucking idiots you think the state is going to let you get away with this they make the fucking laws they'll fix'm.
i wouldnt say that about all clubs in general. i have a small clique and between us we charge each other dirt cheap, same price the dispensaries pay. around $200 an ounce. sometimes a little more. one thing to remember though is if they pay more for their product they have to sell it for more. you have to make at least a little profit, its the whole point of even doing business. its not charity. but i agree with you for the most part. these dispensary prices are outrageous. people need to be less greedy. hell i give my patients free weed just for letting me be their caregiver which allows me more plants. now everyone wants me to be their caregiver but i dont have enough room yet.

i say fuck dispensaries because they draw too much attention. i stay underground and only deal with friends i've known for a long time who also have cards. you dont need to report any taxes, they(government) dont have to know anything. they dont do regular checks or anything like that. they're not going to know what your yeilding.
fuck the public anyway, i hate meeting new people cause most people are complete idiots or assholes. i have thousands spend on equipment which is all taxed, soon to be in the tens of thousands. i think i've paid them enough. in a legal sense, just say you caregive to your patients for free which should be true anyway cause any good caregiver throws their patients some free nuggage now and then.
 
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