For All Cap Ebb and Grow Users
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smokingrubber
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That would remove 4" of your flood height also. I put mine up on 1" upside-down pot trays. 1" is enough.
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morrisgreenberg
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yo SR, are you aware you got a corpse under your canopy? is that a new predatory insect? oil change? xD
justsmoking
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Thats buitiful man. I just started my 12 pot Jack herer grow with the ebb n grow. I'm on day two from clone
smokingrubber
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Yeah, they always stay on the risers. Thanks, that picture is after 3 weeks of stretch/flower. I vegged for 5 weeks prior... you can see why I'll only veg for 4 weeks next time
smokingrubber
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it depends on the strain. If you let them, tall plants will do all they can to get to the min height thier genes told them to. You just can't tell much by the way they veg (I can't). If you're trying to grow a bush then it's all about the number of side branches you have. Still, a tall plant can go straight "skyscraper" in a matter of days! I've got one plant that looks like 4 RPGs standing in the corner. She was a stone RUNT from day one and I threatened to toss her more than once. But who knew... she looks like she's ready to shoot down any incoming.
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mrduke
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i average between 2-4 oz a plant.4 was some gdp and the lowest was some wack ass fake bubba kush
careinthezoo
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Rubber-What size tent are you running? I'm looking to do a 12 site grow that would veg for 6 weeks on average.Yeah, they always stay on the risers. Thanks, that picture is after 3 weeks of stretch/flower. I vegged for 5 weeks prior... you can see why I'll only veg for 4 weeks next time
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dont forget the sore as fuck hands!!! Make sure your hoses are on tight now! I would put them on atleast 2 rings deep.
cannabistro
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Was wondering if this system is too too loud to run in an apartment? What would be the min light if I want to yield 3 lbs? Is 2 600s not enough?
mrduke
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it make less noise than flushing your toilet would by far. and i thinkyoud have a better shot with 2 1000's. its a perfect fit for the spare bedroom.
morrisgreenberg
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with this system a solid run for anyone should be about .5 gram/watt. but if you run a 600watter over a space of 3x3 or 3x4 and aim for 50watts per sqaure foot or 7000 lumens per sqr ft you should get close to 100gr per plant site, depending on strain ofcourse and a veg time of 3weeks on avg... so 4 pots under a 600w in a 3x4 area with no less than 70grams per plant will get you just about 300grams per 600w. the average joe who just assembled the system on his first run with no idea of strain tendancies 3 weeks veg from clone. i prefer 600's over 1k's bcus i prefer not to pack all those lumens (155k) in a tight area like that. i think the goal for anyone after a run or 2 should aim for an LB per square meter (10.7 sqr ft), so a recap 70g min for someone who knows nothing per plant should be expected. if you know your strain and all conditions are good, theres no reason why you shouldnt be pulling atleast a 1/4 # per pot up to 6-8oz per once dialed in
morrisgreenberg
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i know so many people who love 1000's but they just dont stack up with 600's, heres why. first off is efficiency, 1000w at 9.5 amps (120v) is giving off 155,000 lumens VS. a 600w at 5.2 amps (120v) giving 95,000 lumens. i would rather has 3 x 600's spread out for better footprint at 1800 watts and about 16amps (almost 300,000 lumens total) than 2 x 1000's at 2000 watts and 19amps with a smaller foot print (315,000 total lumens) all of those lumens dont mean shit when they are mostly concentrated on the plants directly under the lamp, with smaller foot print the plants on the outer edge of your garden will suffer yield-wise. heres another one, if you have those 1000s in air cooled hoods you will still have to keep your hoods higher , you will get light bleaching...this negates the point of air cooled hoods and getting lamps up close right? with a $100 424cfm fan i can comfortably cool 3x 600's in a line or i can go the cheap route and get home depot 6inch duct booster fans $25each to cool each hood. with the 2x1000's you can barely still touch your reflector with a 424cfm fan. well i guess this is how i feel, let me know your thoughts guys, if you can afford to buy an extra ballast do it and go with 600s, you will thank me in the summer when your a/c has to run less
doogleef
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My choice of lighting basically depends on the shape of the space. If it's a rectangular space then a 2 lamp setup makes much more since so you get a good footprint but in a square a single is preferable. Your point about light footprint varies greatly with the choice of reflector and the efficiency and proximity of you side reflective panels.
As for as 3x600 vs 2x1000, I say if you have the space for 1000s, run em. The bud structure is a better on low growth with the added penetration and intensity. Cooling 3x600 is a bit easier than cooling 2x1000. About 10% easier
. Watts are watts when it comes to heat exchange at the bulb. I cool 3x1000 with a single 6" inline 454. I actually have an 8" I can put on later in the year if needed but I hope to have the room sealed + CO2 by then.
As for as 3x600 vs 2x1000, I say if you have the space for 1000s, run em. The bud structure is a better on low growth with the added penetration and intensity. Cooling 3x600 is a bit easier than cooling 2x1000. About 10% easier
. Watts are watts when it comes to heat exchange at the bulb. I cool 3x1000 with a single 6" inline 454. I actually have an 8" I can put on later in the year if needed but I hope to have the room sealed + CO2 by then.
shnkrmn
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I wish I had the link, but there was one of those long hid/cfl argument threads in which a cfl'er claimed more lumens than a 600 watt guy because he had so many fixtures. But with a light meter, you can easily find out that two light sources of equal output (say 95,000 lumens) do not emit 190,000 lumens together, in fact it hardly changes the meter reading at all. The hid advocate had a set of pix with his light meter and one, then two cfls held up to the sensor; there was hardly any change. But you are right on everything else; efficiency, spread, heat, 600s are the way to go; bulbs and ballasts are cheaper too
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