For All Cap Ebb and Grow Users

hornedfrog2000 said:

Ok, this is what my current plan is... I just bought a refurb 12 site normal size unit. I was planning on using 8 of the buckets for mother plants only. Would a 400w mh be enough for this? I'm planning on it being in a 4x4 tent. Is this enough room for 8 mothers??? I plan to have 2 different strains, so 4 mothers will be one strain, and the other 4 another strain. I need approximately 40 clones of each strain every 70 days. Do you think this is an ok plan? This is a perpetual lollipop sog grow.

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well for the light i would go with a good t5 fixture, i just went out and bought a 400w mh for my mothers and my 6 bulb t5 fixture just kills it imo, i am wanting to veg 8 moms too but am only vegging 3 mothers right now under it but am not even going to try to fit all 8, im just going to get another 8 bulb t5 for them.

Hmmm. why is the T5 better? I already have the 400w MH.

hornedfrog2000 said:

Hmmm. why is the T5 better? I already have the 400w MH.

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well my 4' 6 bulb is brighter from what i can see, it covers a much larger area also. i just dont like the mh, i have wanted to try one for a while now i got one and dont like it, for the money i could have bought another t5 but o well i learned my lesson. but if you got the mh already give it a go but im pretty certain it wont cover 8 buckets hell mine is in a cool tube and it bearly covers my 2x4 flood tray for veg.

Yeah, it will have to do for now... I'll see about getting t5s. Less wattage is a plus anyway.

hornedfrog2000 said:

Ok, this is what my current plan is... I just bought a refurb 12 site normal size unit. I was planning on using 8 of the buckets for mother plants only. Would a 400w mh be enough for this? I'm planning on it being in a 4x4 tent. Is this enough room for 8 mothers??? I plan to have 2 different strains, so 4 mothers will be one strain, and the other 4 another strain. I need approximately 40 clones of each strain every 70 days. Do you think this is an ok plan? This is a perpetual lollipop sog grow.

Please help

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I think one or two good mothers will give you all you could ever
Want every 70 days so x2 strains x2 mothers each strain still would
Be to big for a 4x4

Well, you think 6 would be ok? I didn't think I was supposed to run less than 6 buckets with the system. I want the clones to be about 8-10" tall, so that is why I was wanting so many mothers.

I already have the 4x4 tent, and the 400w mh.

Dam your going to be takeing that big of clone?
If you keep the moms small you could have 8 if
You wanted just going to be crouded.
As for how many buckets ive got a ebb with just
1 bucket, just dont fill the res all the way up just a waist

Alright, that's what I figured. Yeah, I'm shooting for the LEAST amount of veg possible. I want to go from clone to flower. Basically letting the mothers do the vegging. I'm not sure how well this works, but I'm thinking multiple smaller mothers would be best. Then just keep recycling mothers. I'm not sure if the clones will need to be that big, but I'm guessing that will have to be close to what I need.

Shit al b fuct did it and it kicked ass

Yeah, that's what I'm trying for, but I don't get how he got such huge thick clones from such smallish mothers.

hornedfrog2000 said:

Yeah, that's what I'm trying for, but I don't get how he got such huge thick clones from such smallish mothers.

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genetics help I am sure. Prob also helps to have ample space for each mother to veg out. I would think you would be better off training fewer mothers into bushes but idk since this is not my growing style.

I had a quick question. Which pump/hose do I put the check valve on? I would assume it is in between the 55 gallon drum pump, and the controller bucket, but the manual says to put it in between the bucket controller, and the 55 gallon drum.... ? Am I just not understanding it right? Which one is it?

OK, think I found the answer finally...

hellraizer30 said:

the pump is triping due to water coming back down to the control box and triping the pump to turn on, this will keep happening!
you need to get a check valve or shorten up the hose leaving the box to the res, lees hose = less water. this is why puttinng the
box right next to the res is key! but all this can be averted by pluting the check valve as close to the control box as possable.
your pump will not last long tripping like that so a fix needs to happen

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So the check valve IS for the controller bucket's pump. (they really should explain why in the instructions like you did here). I assumed it was so water wouldn't be siphoned back out of the 55 gallon drum from that other pumps line, but I guess that isn't an issue.

the check valve isn't needed in units with two float switches , theres a delay built into the on cycle that suppose to address the issue.

I just bought the monster ebb and its the newer version, I bought a check valve because I saw issues in the pump running too long due to just what hellraizer said, water coming back down the tubing , how a delay in the on cycle would help I don't know.

I should have gone on to say cap being the cheap fucks that they are charged me 17 dollars plus shipping for the valve, I actually ordered two but when I heard cap was price gouging it (in my mind) I told my hydro shop guy to send them back, I'd pay shipping. but I decided to buy one and he liked the idea of having one around the shop just in case.Had I not bought the valve I think I would have been looking at pump failure before long , if that didn't mean a possible dead ass garden I would have just run it and let them replace the pump instead of giving me a check valve.

I bought a factory refurb, and I would assume all of the major problems have been fixed. You never know though...

hornedfrog2000 said:

I had a quick question. Which pump/hose do I put the check valve on? I would assume it is in between the 55 gallon drum pump, and the controller bucket, but the manual says to put it in between the bucket controller, and the 55 gallon drum.... ? Am I just not understanding it right? Which one is it?

OK, think I found the answer finally...



So the check valve IS for the controller bucket's pump. (they really should explain why in the instructions like you did here). I assumed it was so water wouldn't be siphoned back out of the 55 gallon drum from that other pumps line, but I guess that isn't an issue.

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check valve goes on the hose that pumps back to the res tank (from the control box)
hey hornedfrog come check out my journal

Is the bottom float switch supposed to be at a slight angle? Mine came in tilted slightly...

hornedfrog2000 said:

Is the bottom float switch supposed to be at a slight angle? Mine came in tilted slightly...

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Yes it it ....................

This post may be a little out of place but I kinda think of this as a place to ask whatever and not have to track yet another thread, plus I like MOST all you fucks here! But look at this......thats a photo of a leaf from a indica dom thats been in the same system as the sativa dom sour d I have in the other sites. The sour d showed signs of tip burns and then the leaves totally started turning yellow like over night , it was just random ones here and there, I supposed I started at too high a nutrient level and saw this when the sour d started yellowing but the indica just started showing signs a lot later but got much more severe even though I cut nutes by 300 ppm and shortened flood times. so by this picture wtf is it I'm doing wrong?