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FallenHero

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The pot i grew in soil, had slow release ferts in it. i did stop using my others nutes nearing the end, never really "flushed" the soil.

It tasted better than any of the shit around here.
 

videoman40

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I believe abudsmoker is correct in the respect that, it's sort of like the never ending lighting debate. Some people do it, others don't. I didn't, and I love the flavor of my smoke.
Peace

with outdoor flowering in the ground there is little toxicity in pots tis will be a issue. there is a buildup of waste organic or chemical.

this as been debated over and over. if you grow in anykinda dirt you need to flush at least once a month.
 

cali-high

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i flush my plants im not listening to any1 about this subject because i like the outcome better when i flush my plants so why should i change?


theyres no reason to
 

Spittn4cash

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this is a good thread..its things like this that needs to be asked so everyone can put their 2cents in..I wish I had something to contribute but Im not that experienced yet :(

I like both sides of the debate..lets keep this going
 

loveisallyouneed

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this is a good thread..its things like this that needs to be asked so everyone can put their 2cents in..I wish I had something to contribute but Im not that experienced yet :(

I like both sides of the debate..lets keep this going
I agree, same with what babygro had said, there is no one right way to grow. I'm learning this the hard way by growing with a partner :X I've got the 'my way or the highway' personality so when we each do seperate reading for the same step it can get messy. Nothing a doober can't sort out.
 

the pharaoh of weed

Active Member
I am just smoking the results of my second organic grow. This time I flushed for two weeks before harvest with nothing but water. The last time, I flushed for only 3 days. Both times I used the same Earth Juice nutes (the full line), and let me tell you this time the bud tastes 100% better and the ash is a light grey instead of darker w/black spots. I am pretty sold on this flush idea I think.
 

daddychrisg

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What if for the last two weeks I switch to a organic tea fertilizer and skip the flush alltogether? Will the bud taste like crap? LOL, I don't know, I have been using FloraKleen during the first few days of the flush, then plain PH'd water for the rest of the week. I feel like they slow down in growth alot, but, I think they would do that anyhow...But I am thinking about doing the tea idea just to find out myself..
 

SHOOT2KILL66

The Gardener
I use organic nutes and i think the final flush is needed and makes the taste far more smoother and sweeter :weed:

Organic nutes that help with added taste to your buds. All the goodness from them nutes are well inside your buds by this stage and all the shit is in the soil still and salt build up and what other crap thats been left ,
It just means u can feed a bit longer but to be honest there wasent to much diffrence except the 1 i flush had a smoother less harsh taste .... i suppose thats a big diffrence

and i think for growing out doors organic well its a bigger field bucket loads of rain just wash that meters deep and wide
 

mogie

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There is a big difference between a final flush and simply witholding nutes the final 2 weeks. Easiest on the plant to just give plain water and molasses. You will accomplish the same thing the chemcials will be washed out of the plants systems but with a leech it will be much less stessful on the plant. I don't want to stress out my plants that are trying to focus their energy on making yummy buds.
 

Resinman

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headiness

just use plain ph adjusted water the last 5 days or so

the plant actually makes its own sugars so do not use sugar water at the end,,,you can,,,it is not required,,,if you want to keep the plant within side the organic umbrella

resinman
 

pmoore68

Active Member
Flushing is good.Either way.If you are having problems w/ur plant 9 out of 10 times flushing will cure the problem.In every grow where I personally have had a plant issue,flushing has helped the issue.
 

We1

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I like your attitude still thinking of your plants stress levels
even though your going to kill their asses and smoke their souls.
We need more people like you on this earth....
How Compassionate
 
ask yourself this...

Are marijuana plants "leached" or "flushed" when grown outside?

i doubt it.. unless they are in pots, otherwise they have access to nutrients.

I never hear anyone saying indoor taste better than outdoor, do you?
I always flush my plants outdoors, you can tell a huge difference in taste and the way it burns when you dont flush. I dont grow in containers either, but the holes I dig are filled with all kinds of good atuff and if I dont flush em with plain ph'd water they dont use up their nutrient reserves which makes them much harder to cure and tends to give them a harsh cut grass/green leafy smell thats really hard to get rid of.
Im sure you guys know of Subcool, the breeder behind all of TGA Seeds genetics? IMO he's one of the best organic growers in the game and Im sure plenty of folks agree with me. His Super Soil recipe is known to grow some amazing herb without the need of ANY additional feeding! Subcool recommends flushing/leaching (I really dont think theres much difference at all!) when using his super soil mix and you dont get any more organic than that! Being the great grower/breeder he is Id say that should answer the "is flushing organic herb necessarry" question without a doubt.
Flushing or leaching is sometimes done in soil in the middle of a grow to remove any salt build up which will help prevent any nutrient lock out. Flushing done at the end of the bloom cycle is partially done for the same reason but the main goal is to cause the plant to use up all its nutrient reserves. Whether a plant is grown with chemical, synthetic, or organic nutes or even a combination of all 3 doesnt change the importance of the flush. As Cannabis grows it stores nutrients in its foliage to prepare itself for the possibility of a deficiency problem in the future. Thats why if you dont feed a plant for several days you wont see signs of deficiency right away. Where the nutrients were derived from doesnt change the fact that your plant has nutrients stored in the buds/foliage. When you feed your plant just ph'd water for a week or two you cause the plant to use up its nutrient reserves. This is what causes the "fade" in the color of the leaves that tells you the flushing is working. That fade is from a lack of clorophyl in the leaves and is essentially why flushed herb tastes better. Excess clorophyl in unflushed herb is what causes that grassy/leafy green taste and smell that prevents the preferred aromas you want from coming thru. Besides making your herb taste and smell better, I absolutely love all the different colors that come out with a good fade during the flush. My little Chocolope pheno's leaves fade to pink during flush, Ive seen purple, red, orange and light blue come out during fade too!
Something else to keep in mind that will ensure your herb has the maximum taste and aroma is not just the cure but the actual drying process itself. Ive found that you can flush properly and cure for months and still have that grassy smell if your herb is dryed to quickly! The most important thing Ive learned about drying is humidity. You want the room your drying in to have a relative humidity of around 50%, this humid enough to keep it from drying too fast, but dry enough to discourage mold and bud rot. Once the buds feel dry and the stems make a soft crunch sound when bent put em in garbage bags and tie em shut. After a few hours (2-12) your buds wont be crispy anymore! The moisture from the inside of the buds gets "sweated" out when sealed in the bags. Hang the buds again until crispy and put back in the garbage bags. You might have to repeat this process a few times but thats a good thing! This drys the herb from the inside out and helps all the left over clorophyll evaporate with the moisture (since clorophyll is water soluble). Once your buds stop sweating when put in the trash bags its time ta throw em in the jars for the cure! Make sure to open the jars every day or two to release any left over moisture and allow the buds to breathe. Once the buds are dryed to your preference you can keep em sealed in the jars. Youll know theyre perfectly dry when they still have a slightly sticky/squishy feel but after taken out the jar they crispen up within a minute or two.

WOW! I didnt intend to right a whole freakin flushing/drying tutorial but I just kept on typin! Oh well hope this will help some folks out. I wish I coulda found a post like this the first couple times I tried dryin herb. I wouldnt of ended up with frosty ass nugs that smelled like fresh cut grass!!!:wall:
 

DaveCoulier

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Chlorophyll is not water soluble, so it can't "evaporate with the moisture". It is fat soluble though, which would explain why canna-butter is green.
 

BluffinCali

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indoors ive always flushed last 4 waters, just water and small amount of molasses, no flushing agents or anything, about double the amount of the pot size last 2 waters and try to time to harvest after plant is completely bone dry..Ive heard others opinions on just flushing with very low dose amounts of nutrients just to provide plant with energy to help that last swelling of main colas, which makes sense, but Ive always done the pretty standard flushing. Outdoors same thing just alot more water, I have pretty deep holes and I flood the hole garden, but those pits can handle alot of water...never have used any flushing agents like the clearex or whatever its called. Its all about the slow dry & cure, which I'll probably always be trying to improve at...take care e1, peace
 

BluffinCali

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hang (pre-trim/mani),65-70 degrees, 50-65% RH and lots of indirect air movement, if I do it right can take up to 10-14days of drying then straight into jars. Depending on the remaining moisture I'll either just open jars 2-3times/day 5-10min, or completely lay it out and try to reverse the rotation. For me the whole process should take about 2months for a good result. I was wondering others thoughts about longer cures, after about 1month in jars, how often do you think is best to open the jar, at that point Im usually just opening once a week for a few minutes, have the desired smell and taste, but Im always wondering about ways and other methods of extended cures, or do you think after it smells/taste good the cure is over? Always looking to improve...another thing I did when first starting out and drying too quickly was to use humidity bags designed for humidors/cigars, they were 20-60% humid gel packs placed with the bud overnight then sealed and it always seemed to help with the smell...anyone else use those humidity packs?
 

burninjay

Active Member
I'm not trying to discourage from flushing in outdoor grows in the ground, but it can only have limited effects. In dirt, solutes will move from more concentrate to less concentrate, so after you flush your ferts into the ground, they will creep back into your plant's less concentrated root zone. There's not really anything you can do about this aside from digging a very deep pit and filling the bottom with gravel or something for the water to drain through. Runoff is a pretty important part of the concept of flushing.
 
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