Flushing, can you still use molasses?

dankesthours182

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i think that this thread is GREAT. exciting, i'm seriously thinking about going completely organic (i organically foliar feed, but my nutes are chem. i've heard a lot of good about organics, idk, i think I'll do half and half
I'll be posting pics this coming week, going to be SO EXCITING< and now to go organic, awesome.
 

madodah

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i think that this thread is GREAT. exciting, i'm seriously thinking about going completely organic (i organically foliar feed, but my nutes are chem. i've heard a lot of good about organics, idk, i think I'll do half and half
I'll be posting pics this coming week, going to be SO EXCITING< and now to go organic, awesome.
Half organic and half chemical dependency to a plant is like being a little pregnant. It just doesn't happen. The purpose of organic growing is to develop a living soil that services plant requirements and chemicals quickly destroy that soil with their salt deposits.
 

CLOSETGROWTH

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But one must remember,

Organics never yield as high as chemicals..

Experimented with it for years.

Organics will taste a tad bit better..

Its a trade off.

Id say chemicals is perfect for a cash crop, and Organics is great for your own personal stash.

Peace:)
 

madodah

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But one must remember,

Organics never yield as high as chemicals..

Experimented with it for years.

Organics will taste a tad bit better..

Its a trade off.

Id say chemicals is perfect for a cash crop, and Organics is great for your own personal stash.

Peace:)
That definition is obviously limited to indoor growers.
 

madodah

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whats the n-p-k of molasas?
Average for unsulphured black strap molasses is 1-0-5. Its importance to plants is sugars, carbohydrates, potash, sulfur and especially feeding the microherd that actually breaks down and delivers NPK nutrients to plants. I always include molasses in my AACT teas.

Funny how inexpensive molasses functions in the agriculture process exactly the same as very pricey 'nutes' with flashy names and serious advertising budgets.
 

The Potologist

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I utilize Fox Farms Nutrient Regimn and I follow that strictly! I do deviate in the beginning of the plants life and only go half strength till plant has grown enough to be able to handle full dosage. Moreso, I also start feeding with un-sulphured molasses(organic) around the third week of flowering and I hit them with the molasses only on days I fertilize. Lastly, I do FLUSH, regardless if im growing indoors or outdoors ( as always IM A DIRTBAGGER), with distilled H20. I am a medical grower, and this works great for me to really enjoy a smooth smoke that retains plant charicteristics. Oh and if bragging rights are considered, my smoke wins awards, 12 to be exact at current moment. Hope this helps. FIRE IN DA HOLE!!!
 

madodah

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I utilize Fox Farms Nutrient Regimn and I follow that strictly! I do deviate in the beginning of the plants life and only go half strength till plant has grown enough to be able to handle full dosage. Moreso, I also start feeding with un-sulphured molasses(organic) around the third week of flowering and I hit them with the molasses only on days I fertilize. Lastly, I do FLUSH, regardless if im growing indoors or outdoors ( as always IM A DIRTBAGGER), with distilled H20. I am a medical grower, and this works great for me to really enjoy a smooth smoke that retains plant charicteristics. Oh and if bragging rights are considered, my smoke wins awards, 12 to be exact at current moment. Hope this helps. FIRE IN DA HOLE!!!
If you're using Fox Farms nutrients full lineup you'd have to flush in an attempt to get rid of some of the chemical residue. That's not what I'd consider organic growing, this is the organic forum, but to each his own.
 

savagendn

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so whats the purpose of flushing my true organic nute fed ladies ? , and it sounds like my soil might need the molasses im 2nd week in flowering , all input appreciated
 

madodah

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so whats the purpose of flushing my true organic nute fed ladies ? , and it sounds like my soil might need the molasses im 2nd week in flowering , all input appreciated
I don't know any true organic growers who flush. What's the sense when the object is to enhance the soil and nutrient delivery to the plants?

I can understand growers who use Fox Farms and other chemical supplements, they're trying (unsuccessfully) to flush chemical residue. For an organic grow I think it's a soup de jour mental carryover from reading about or doing hydro growing.
 

thebeej72

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Average for unsulphured black strap molasses is 1-0-5. Its importance to plants is sugars, carbohydrates, potash, sulfur and especially feeding the microherd that actually breaks down and delivers NPK nutrients to plants. I always include molasses in my AACT teas.

Funny how inexpensive molasses functions in the agriculture process exactly the same as very pricey 'nutes' with flashy names and serious advertising budgets.

molasses is more like 0-0-3
 

malignant

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I don't know any true organic growers who flush.
I flush, and find it beneficial. the build up from tea feedings, the amounts of guano ive bubbled and fed, yeah for a week im going to feed plain water, and lots of it to push out that and any molasses still in the soil, i want the plants to breathe and use up the remaining nutrients they're holding on too, i want to see the water leaves lighten up a shade and then i give them 24hrs of dark, cut, trim, and hang. i did a side by side test of flushed vs unflushed never fed anything other than organic teas i made from guano, ewc, earth magic, molasses, cold pressed seaweed, neptunes hydrolyzed fish. i cooked with the unflushed, it was inferior in flavor, so harsh, unpleasant to smoke. i like a smooth smoke that leaves a white silky ash, not a gritty black ash. if your ash is black you may be cheating yourself.
 

Growop101

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I don't remember OP saying this was an organic grow, but I didn't dig around for a journal or anything. As far as I know, molasses feeds the bacteria in your soil. If you've been using chemical nutes, then your soil probably has little to no microbial life in it, so molasses would be pointless or only bring pests if bacteria aren't there to break down the sugars.
in most cases, there are microbacteria in the soil already ( if the soil is rich) so wouldnt the molassas help that any way? cause most almost all soils have nutrients in them.
 

charface

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I consider flushing to mean Running three to 5 times the container size of plain water a few weeks
prior to chopping and feeding only water in between then nothing for the last three days.
Some people consider it simply feeding water for a certain period.
With organic I do not think you are gonna be able to get rid of all or even most of the life with water. (think rain storm)
Even after the flush the plant will pull from the leaves as witnessed by the changing of color.
So I really do not think you can fully flush as long as you have leaves and roots.
This being said I do it to some extent anyway because I`m superstitious. I`m trying to get it but there are a lot of contridictions.
 

malignant

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I consider flushing to mean Running three to 5 times the container size of plain water a few weeks
prior to chopping and feeding only water in between then nothing for the last three days.
Some people consider it simply feeding water for a certain period.
With organic I do not think you are gonna be able to get rid of all or even most of the life with water. (think rain storm)
Even after the flush the plant will pull from the leaves as witnessed by the changing of color.
So I really do not think you can fully flush as long as you have leaves and roots.
This being said I do it to some extent anyway because I`m superstitious. I`m trying to get it but there are a lot of contridictions.
i dont know any synthetic growers that flush for 3 weeks.. taking a week or two AFTER your feed schedule, i start by running 40 gallons through a 7 gallon pot, then feeding only water, for a week prior to the chop, some even use final phase as it clears it feeds simultaneously. i just run water, dumping enough to "wash" the soil, then use water to allow the plant to drink up whats left (which you have heavily diluted, allowing the plant to use its own stores) i dont even think about cutting until i actually see a shade of green lighter on my leaves. the struggle where i live doesnt even begin until you hang. try drying and curing tasty herb in a place with a relative humidity constantly below 5%
 
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