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Resinhound

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Effect of nitrogen on tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) content in hemp (Cannabis sativa L.) leaves at different positions

I. Bócsa, P. Máthé, and L. Hangyel

GATE "Fleischmann R." Research Institute, Kompolt 3356, Hungary

Bócsa, I., P. Máthé, and L. Hangyel 1997. Effect of nitrogen on tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) content in hemp (Cannabis sativa L.) leaves at different positions. Journal of the International Hemp Association 4(2): 78 -79. The effect of different levels of nitrogen fertilizer, of physiological age of leaves and of the interaction between these factors on the Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) content of leaves from different positions on the hemp (Cannabis sativa L.) plant were analyzed by gas liquid chromatography. High nitrogen levels reduced the THC content of leaves, and older leaves contained less THC than younger ones. There was no significant interaction between these two factors.

Introduction Hemp (Cannabis sativa L.) is a traditional and important raw material for the textile industry and is currently of interest as a wood fiber supplement in the paper industry (de Meijer and van der Werf 1994). A significant increase in cultivation of hemp in Europe is anticipated for future fiber production. Furthermore, drug-type Cannabis may play an important role in future therapeutics (Clarke and Pate 1994.). However, since one of its cannabinoid compounds is Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the psychoactive agent of the plant, its cultivation is presently limited. Breeders have developed low-THC and high-fiber content varieties, but some of these still contain a THC concentration verging on the EU limit for cultivation subsidy in Europe (de Meijer et al. 1992).
Since hemp has a high nitrogen (N) requirement, it is important to determine the relationship between N fertilization and THC content, and (for the purpose of analytical sampling) the interaction between N fertilizer and leaf position, in relation of leaf THC content.
Cannabinoid content of the leaves is known to decrease gradually from the top to the bottom of the plant (Hemphill et al. 1980). Nitrogen content in vegetative parts of the plant has been thought to correlate positively with its THC content (Coffman and Gentner 1975, Haney and Kutscheid 1973).


Table 1. Fertilizer treatments in mg/kg soil.



Table 2. The effect of nitrogen treatment on the fresh weight and plant height of hemp and on the N content of the phytomass.



Materials and methods The experiment was performed using 5.5 liter pots, with two plants of the variety ‘Kompolti Hibrid TC’ per pot. This high-fiber variety has a THC content (0.5-0.7%) exceeding the EU 0.3% subsidy limit. Pots were placed in a glasshouse under ambient environmental conditions. A chernozem brown forest soil from Kompolt was used (Krisztian and Hollo 1992). Treatments are shown in Table 1.
Chemicals used for the nutrient supply : anal. grade NH4NO3, KH2PO4, KCl. Doses were supplied as solutions. Date of sowing: 22 April. Date of harvesting: 13 August. The lowest N level treatment was considered as the control.
The number of replications was six. Plants were grown until the end of flowering for staminate plants. Leaf samples were collected on 13 August in the following way: every leaf of both the staminate and pistillate plants was collected, dried at 40°C for 24 hr, ground, weighed, homogenized, and stored in a refrigerator at 3°C for 90 days. Leaves were placed into three groups: (a) older leaves that occur along the middle part of stem, (b) leaves from the side branches, and (c) younger leaves that occur near the top of the stem.
THC was extracted from the dried leaves with petroleum ether for 3 hr at RT. (Hanus et al. 1981). Analyses were performed with a Hewlett-Packard 5890 series II gas liquid chromatograph. Parameters of analyses were: HP-1 capillary column, 0.3 ID x 25 m length; injector temperature 260°C ; split ratio 1:70; detector temperature 300oC. Analyses were programmed from 190 to 265°C at 15C/min with an 11 min and a 5 min internal plateau at 235°C and 260°C, respectively.
Initially, an analytically pure THC standard was not available, so areas of THC peaks were used for characterization of THC content. The peak identification of cannabidiol and THC was carried out according to Hanus et al. (1981). Subsequently, CBD and THC standards were obtained and the original data were verified with these standards. The back-calculation of the data to an absolute value is analytically incorrect in our opinion, so this determination was not made.
The statistical significance of factors presumably affecting the THC content of leaves was determined by analysis of variance. The first factor was (a.) the leaf position on the plant, and the second factor was (b.) the nitrogen treatment.


Table 3. Analysis of variance of N fertilizer experiment (in a randomly arranged bifactorial split-plot experiment with six replications).



Results There was a significant increase in fresh weight of shoot (80-130%) and plant height (28-39%) due to N supplimentation (Tab. 2). THC was highest in leaves near the shoot tip and on side branches, and lowest in oldest leaves (Fig. 1a). THC content of leaves of each plant part decreased in response to N fertilizer (Fig. 1b).
The decrease was significant in the case of the highest N dose (Fig. 1b). THC contents of leaves from various plant regions were significantly different, independent of the N level (Tab. 3, see: F-value of Factor "a") The other factor, N fertilizer treatment, also had a statistically significant effect on THC content of leaves (Tab. 3, F-value of Factor "b"). There was no interaction between the two factors (Tab. 3, F-value of Factor "a X b") in relation to leaf THC content.


Figure 1. Effect of examined factors on THC content of hemp leaves :
a.) THC content of leaves from different positions on the hemp plant (means of three levels of N fertilizer).
b.) Effect of N fertilization on the THC content of hemp leaves (means of three positions on the plant).






Discussion
These experiments show that the THC content of leaves decreases with increasing N doses. This phenomenon is favorable for agricultural production, because nitrogen fertilization will increase stem yield and simultaneously decrease THC content of the plant significantly. Additional studies are necessary to determine optimal N dose/ha, time of application, fertilizer type and the lowest THC content achievable under field conditions.


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Acknowledgments The authors thank the National Research Fund of Hungary (OTKA), for financial support of this research, Prof. Paul G. Mahlberg (Indiana University, Bloomington, U.S.A) and Mr. László Pummer ("Fleischmann R." Institute, Hungary) for their help.
That's an interesting study Rm3, however there are few key points I'm concerned with

1.the study only seems to reference the thc content of leaves.

2.the study fails to conclude if the thc is just not concentrated elsewhere, where it's more important like the flowers for example.
 

althor

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I boiled my roots on the most recent batch. Ready to try it out and see how it works.

That is the greatest thing about whats happening with cannabis. Due to technology and legalization, more and more people are able to share their ideas and tests are being done more and more often to learn.

I compare it to MMA...
For thousands of years every region had their own fighting styles and all proclaimed their style to be the best and most effective.
A long comes UFC. Over a course of 15 years, we have learned more about practical MMA fighting than the previous THOUSANDS of years of martial arts practice taught us.

I feel like we are in that same bubble with Cannabis and our learning curve is humongous. Dont be so quick to write things off, live and learn.
 

althor

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That's an interesting study Rm3, however there are few key points I'm concerned with

1.the study only seems to reference the thc content of leaves.

2.the study fails to conclude if the thc is just not concentrated elsewhere, where it's more important like the flowers for example.
No doubt we need more tests. We have been severely limited in that ability due to legal issues. We are approaching a new time in learning.
 

Resinhound

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Honestly I could care less about the thc content of the leaves on my vegging plants, if the study was done on flowering plants, where there are a whole host of different chemical processes happening you would think some reference to the flowers would have been cited. All in all its a good start but hardly definitive as it doesn't seem to take a flowering plant into account... Or the flowers at all for that matter.
 

RM3

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Honestly I could care less about the thc content of the leaves on my vegging plants, if the study was done on flowering plants, where there are a whole host of different chemical processes happening you would think some reference to the flowers would have been cited. All in all its a good start but hardly definitive as it doesn't seem to take a flowering plant into account... Or the flowers at all for that matter.
study was done on hemp, hemp has rules, in order to be hemp it has to have less than .1 % THC the high N regimen used by hemp farmers is for this purpose

Folks discount hemp studies but the one that makes everyone look for amber trics was also a hemp study of course they never said amber, they said brown LOL

oh and the whole hollow stem myth also started from a hemp study 8)
 

Resinhound

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study was done on hemp, hemp has rules, in order to be hemp it has to have less than .1 % THC the high N regimen used by hemp farmers is for this purpose

Folks discount hemp studies but the one that makes everyone look for amber trics was also a hemp study of course they never said amber, they said brown LOL

oh and the whole hollow stem myth also started from a hemp study 8)
Heh, I respect the study but as I said, there are glaring gaps that aren't taken into account. The fact it was done on hemp is also a biggie. I'm not saying it doesn't have merit, I'm just saying it's not definitive for our purposes.
 

RM3

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Heh, I respect the study but as I said, there are glaring gaps that aren't taken into account. The fact it was done on hemp is also a biggie. I'm not saying it doesn't have merit, I'm just saying it's not definitive for our purposes.
Do the side by side,,,,I did 8)
 

Resinhound

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Do the side by side,,,,I did 8)
Well the bell curve would disagree with you a single side by side or even a dozen isn't definitive... Do a few thousand side by sides with strictly controlled test parameters that can be verified.. Then you have real data.
 

KryptoBud

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"There is also some evidence that feeding the plant a molasses mix with the final watering and leaving the plants in total darkness for three day before harvest will boost the potency."

"We are currently working with two of our client growers to determine the difference in potency, if any, by using this method. We will report the result in the next harvest…stay tuned."

Honestly these guys can't even put together a paper with proper Grammer.. "leave the plant in total darkness for 3 day"

Let alone doing a proper study... Working with 2 of our client growers... Ok.lol.
It's grammar. :bigjoint:I'll leave the flushing to you folks and keep em green til chop. I'll take the word of one of the best MM testing labs in the country over a study of hemp leaves from 1973. I thought the point of industrial hemp was to remove as much of the thc as possible.
 

Resinhound

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It's grammar. :bigjoint:I'll leave the flushing to you folks and keep em green til chop. I'll take the word of one of the best MM testing labs in the country over a study of hemp leaves from 1973. I thought the point of industrial hemp was to remove as much of the thc as possible.
You would think "one of the best mmj testing labs in the country" would be using at the very least good grammar and testing with more than 2 "client growers" to come up with their ground breaking studies . Like using molasses and leaving your plant in the dark... Come on, lol.
 

KryptoBud

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There is also some evidence that feeding the plant a molasses mix with the final watering and leaving the plants in total darkness for three day before harvest will boost the potency.

We are currently working with two of our client growers to determine the difference in potency, if any, by using this method. We will report the result in the next harvest…stay tuned.


How did you prove or disprove 3 days of darkness/ molasses shit? crystal ball? Roll it up? I don't think it'll make any difference either but, I've never sent anything out for lab testing. Have you? It wouldn't matter anyways you spelled grammer wrong. Theres some good info from a legit lab if you can overlook the spelling error you might find something useful.
 

Resinhound

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There is also some evidence that feeding the plant a molasses mix with the final watering and leaving the plants in total darkness for three day before harvest will boost the potency.

We are currently working with two of our client growers to determine the difference in potency, if any, by using this method. We will report the result in the next harvest…stay tuned.


How did you prove or disprove 3 days of darkness/ molasses shit? crystal ball? Roll it up? I don't think it'll make any difference either but, I've never sent anything out for lab testing. Have you? It wouldn't matter anyways you spelled grammer wrong. Theres some good info from a legit lab if you can overlook the spelling error you might find something useful.
Like what? The definitive results from their 2 growers, ya I'm gonna bank on that as total truth. Totally legit you're right can't discount that kind of thorough testing...
 

tyke1973

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I have all ways flushed not because it's written in stone,but because it taste better.I do not care what any one says,flushed weed taste better,
 
I have all ways flushed not because it's written in stone,but because it taste better.I do not care what any one says,flushed weed taste better,
I agree, my friend doesn't flush his weed and it tastes like asshole, makes me cough and leaves black shit in my mucus. The weed looks and smells great. Don't listen to these misinformation shills, flush your fucking weed. These cunts probably don't flush their weed because they are selling it and get more weight by going with nutes all the way till the end, not giving a fuck what others are smoking
 

tyke1973

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I do what I have learnt over 26 years of growing cannabis,i have learnt from some great growers a long the way,i have posted all ready,that I was once put to the test with 2 of the same strain pre rolled joints ,I got 3/3 right you can tell flushed bud.I also think molasses effects how the end product burns if it's given it late on,so to flush with it does not make sense.like saying you can't tell the difference between organic bud ,I sent nico from high times a message with a lot of the a stuff wrote in the flushing post in it ,so see if he gets back to us . But e good to see what he thinks to be honest ,on boiling roots ext.
 

tyke1973

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I don't care if you boil your roots then go eco ,and make a cup of coffee with your run off ,I will all ways flush,i can tell the difference even after a good cure.b e interesting to see what he thinks if he gets back to me,i asked him in the growers section questions ,I ain't saying your wrong but flushing had all ways been ok for me,and I can tell the difference,taste wise that's for sure,
 

RM3

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I don't care if you boil your roots then go eco ,and make a cup of coffee with your run off ,I will all ways flush,i can tell the difference even after a good cure.b e interesting to see what he thinks if he gets back to me,i asked him in the growers section questions ,I ain't saying your wrong but flushing had all ways been ok for me,and I can tell the difference,taste wise that's for sure,
Would love it someday ya gets to sample some of mine, I'd be interested in your opinion 8)
 

tyke1973

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I be happy to try it dude ,I'm not saying your wrong rm3 ,it's just two different methods ,if everything was done the same,a nd people did not try new things we would not be where we are at today,snd don't forget most of the knowledge has been gained by illegal growing,its only now it's legal,that more stuff can be learnt.picking time you not mentioned that,i pick some of my cheese at 8 week x the main bulk at nine that week makes massive difference in taste ,to the point some smokers think it'd a different strain all together really sweet ,at 9 week it'd sweet but at ,8 it's sweeter and more fruity.but that extra week makes a difference medication wise.
 
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