Flowamasta's Grow No.3 indica clone-harvest grow Journal! 1 PLANT!!! 600wattHPS
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flowamasta
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LOL! thats a damn nice compliment to come home to man!! thanks heaps!!, i was actually worried about putting too many heads on that side of the rack, thinking it might tip over lol! i worked a rough average in my head of the colas, and if each weighs minimum 65 grams, (there are ones that weigh more) and i have a minimum of 30 that size that's nearly 2kg of fresh erbs
divide that by 5, and i got a estimate at 400-450 grams dry...maybe less, maybe more. i'll answer net question belowto answer both your questions, it really depends on the size of your plant, i started scogging pretty early at around the 10-12 inch high mark. i had topped before the 4th day of veg, so i already had around 8 - 12 branches coming up instead of 1, that was my key to multiply early, without stunting at a critical time of fast growth. my fast growth period is between my 3rd and 4th week veg, my plant literally tripples in a matter of 2 weeks.
My first layer of netting was to hold down the plants growth to get her growing outwards, still keeping the growing tips as high as possible, but making the branches as long as possible. the tips must see light to stretch, and the key to good scrog is good stretch, and small node spacing, if you have both, killa! if i didnt scrog this plant it would grow the height of the tent in a very small time, i have seen my mate make the mistake. him thinking he wanted big buds. big buds i think is in the strains genetics and even light penetration over all the growing tips.
As the plant is stretching and growing like crazy, the second net comes in, this is where i make all the flower sites, by scrogging more, bending, tying if i have to, criss crossing branches even if it tangles them, i try to make it even as possible. at this stage my plant is still in veg and growing extremely rapidly and node spacing is at a minimum.
Now i want to take clones, fim and top all my main growing branches. just below my second net layer, and some above. Then i let her recover for a few days, atleast 5-7 days, this will get the plant back into fast, short node spacing.
Hit the Flower!~!~!~!
during the first week of flowering i train some more, bending and overlapping the very fast stretching branches, remembering that during this stretch everything is still trying to grow towards the light (this confused me the first time) i may have to pull the second layer of netting down some, to pull the plant tight, and add support, while the branches grow strong and get ready to hold buds....
when i start to see flower sites, i stop my training, and let the growing tips do their 2nd stretch on their own, forming their own crown colas
it's hard to imagine, but my branches are all wreathed around the top of the netting, all in a circular motion, like a wreath, this is because i train during the start of flowering, to shorten the size of the heads, instead growing the bottom sections of the heads, and making them come right up nest to the main cola, making everything get that much more light....i hope that helps you guys i hope to not sound like a know all, this is just how i've been taught, and it's starting to make more sense now, the more i do it, it becomes easier to make it look more even. the only real difference i see that i do from other scrogers is that I train during the first week of flowering
roachclip420
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Nice harvest buddy! Looks real sticky and chunky. I'm curious why you don't grow 2 plants instead of one to cut down veg time? That way you could let the buds finish up a little more?
Mohican
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Hey FM - Thanks! Great info - 2 screens!!!!
- Do you have any pictures of when you added the second screen?
- When you top do you keep the whole piece that you remove and make a clone or do you just use the tip?
- What type of clone growing setup do you have? Is it DIY or store bought? Do you go into soil, rockwool, or...
I am not sure what to do, but I need to do something soon because she (or he) is turning into a scraggily bush!
Cheers,
Mo
- Do you have any pictures of when you added the second screen?
- When you top do you keep the whole piece that you remove and make a clone or do you just use the tip?
- What type of clone growing setup do you have? Is it DIY or store bought? Do you go into soil, rockwool, or...
I am not sure what to do, but I need to do something soon because she (or he) is turning into a scraggily bush!
Cheers,
Mo
lordjin
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Wow, I didn't really have a good sense of scale until these photos. Huge!here is a few lined up
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flowamasta
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thanx man! it is extremely sticky, i'm just not gonna touch it until it feels dry, do a final manicure when it's dry, i just don't want to hinder all that stickiness! i don't grow 2 plants indoors because 1 big plant produces bigger buds, it's really that simple, you look at outdoor plants, if you've ever seen some really big outdoor plants, they don't grow small nuggies, they grow large heads. 1 big plant grows faster and much more furiously than 2 smaller, as to why i explained earlier, that my 3rd and 4th week veg, are my fastest growing times, where my plant triples in size. There are other reason's, but that is my main reason. i'm not after the smaller buds, anything smaller than a lighter goes into hash making, it's just how i have always doe things
i grow for the heads, and really only the heads, the rest is just bonus material for whatever. so my weigh in only consists of my colas, and decent size nugs, i may have around 2 oz of popcorn, which i whacked straight in the freezer with the sugar trimno worries Mo! yeah i got pics of the second screen, i'm really flat out lately, so u may have go back, if you go back to just before the hack, thats when i started flowering, a few pages back you will see my first and second screens going in
When i take the tops i cut as much as i would like for a decent clone, when i do the others, fimming and pinching, i may only sometimes take 3-4 nodes down, and throw away, for the simple purpose of only slightly stunting the branch, and maybe 3-5 tips will grow out from that cut....it all depends on how close my node spacing is, and i carefully work out the growth pattern so i dont pinch or top too much off, if i take too much off a critical brach that needs to climb more, the growing tip won't produce like the rest.
So I Take more off the branches that are climbing too quickly, and less that need to branch out and gather more light ( i hope that makes sense ) Because if i dont take enough off the fastest fattest growing tip, that will continue to clib too far, and get ahead of the rest, and stuff the balance up, the idea is to even out the growing tips, completely the opposite of Jin's style, both high yielding, 1 being more stressful, but for a purpose. the stress is also key to pushing growth to the flowers at the optimal time, when it is in full bloom, and nothing is going to hinder it's growing, the plant will go full speed, no matter what style hydro
I simply cut my clones, dip in the root gel, and plant into pre-soaked rockwool cubes with ph'd water or a light b1 boost, or a low grow formula, and 1 nights darkness, then under a flouro for 7-10 days, in a bed of perlite.
I think you should top in my opinion, this will help the branches get thicker, and you will have around 8 heads growing up instead of 1
I guarantee this to be benaficial to your plant. keep a close eye on those lights Mo, i noticed you got them very close now, and if the leaves perk up, the may touch the globes, if you have increased food, it will increase her vigor and that means the leaves will point up! good work Mo, i bet you're keeping an eye on her anyway!, also remeber, it you Top like i said, the light won't have to be THAT close, it will stop vertical growth completely and she will simply bush out. your choice ofcourse Mo, just speaking from experience, and i have done this with ALL my plants, outdoors indoors, i have always topped, it makes for a stronger plant that can support heavier buds. spindlier branches will grow spindlier buds, cause they dont have to support anything large, cheat the plant into thinking she needs to produce, and let the magic happen
Morning all~!
flowamasta
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lol, yeah in the tent gives a false perspective with the wide angle lens! whack them on a clothes rack, and it even surprised me!
hehe[420]Haze;7288408 said:
not anymore 
all but 2 colas have been chopped down ...1 UVB attacked cola, and 1 without they are pretty big, so i'll keep an eye on them , they'll take a bit longer to dry for sure, but when they get a bit dryer, i'll chop them down also, just wanted to make the most out of these 2hope i get my lb
flowamasta
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on the second stage of topping, i did around 20 cuts, including the fimming and pinching i took 8 clones from the biggest branches, usually the inside 4 and the 4 corners on the outside...
just did a clean up of the roots system, had to post a few shots! check these roots out! overgrown or what!!! this is a 60 litre pot, with a potsock!! it has grown through 50 litres of perlite, and grown that mass underneath!!! HYDRO!!!
Mohican
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FM - that is amazing! I remember Scottyballs thread when he showed his roots at the end:
I am up to page 46. I did some more research on PGRs and found a cool site on the Michigan State University site:
http://www.flor.hrt.msu.edu/PGRs/
Can you take a shot of your pots? Are they a DIY design or did you buy these as a pre-made system like a GH Water Farm? I was thinking of getting a Water Farm type of setup custom made from food grade stainless steel. That way there would not be any plastic leeching to my plant.
Oh - guess what! I got my WB150F delivered today. That zoom is amazing! Jin got me to get pet cats and now you have inspired me to get a cool camera.
Thanks for the great growing tips and the amazing grow! Have you smoked any yet?
Cheers,
Mo
I am up to page 46. I did some more research on PGRs and found a cool site on the Michigan State University site:
http://www.flor.hrt.msu.edu/PGRs/
Can you take a shot of your pots? Are they a DIY design or did you buy these as a pre-made system like a GH Water Farm? I was thinking of getting a Water Farm type of setup custom made from food grade stainless steel. That way there would not be any plastic leeching to my plant.
Oh - guess what! I got my WB150F delivered today. That zoom is amazing! Jin got me to get pet cats and now you have inspired me to get a cool camera.
Thanks for the great growing tips and the amazing grow! Have you smoked any yet?
Cheers,
Mo
flowamasta
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the pots are bought from bunnings and custom holes drilled in the inside pot just 2 standard 60 litre pots, some stores sell them as 50 litres, no pics of pot at the moment, i'm gone to pick my baby upFM - that is amazing! I remember Scottyballs thread when he showed his roots at the end:
I am up to page 46. I did some more research on PGRs and found a cool site on the Michigan State University site:
http://www.flor.hrt.msu.edu/PGRs/
Can you take a shot of your pots? Are they a DIY design or did you buy these as a pre-made system like a GH Water Farm? I was thinking of getting a Water Farm type of setup custom made from food grade stainless steel. That way there would not be any plastic leeching to my plant.
Oh - guess what! I got my WB150F delivered today. That zoom is amazing! Jin got me to get pet cats and now you have inspired me to get a cool camera.
Thanks for the great growing tips and the amazing grow! Have you smoked any yet?
Cheers,
Mo
oh the pots are all ready not, got my hempy sock in, filled with fresh cleaned perlite and hydroton on the bottom, good to go, got my new light set up, will connect ducting after inspection, siiiiiiik!! gotta fly! baby calling me!secretsparty
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Could you do a writeup of your setup in one post? I always have done soil but seeing your finished product I really wanna try the hempy bucket style. Could you tell us all how to set it all up and cost of most items? I really wanna be like you!
flowamasta
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I'm sorry mate, but after 1 post to your name i think you can have a bit of a read.....
sorry it's all there from day 1 except the rollituphack bout a month ago, lost 30 days
flowamasta
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tonight mate, i've been really busy setting up my new 'green baby'
will start my new thread shortly