FlowaMasta'a NEW Jack H x Skunk - 1 Plant 600HPS + UVB Monster Scrog!!!

flowamasta

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That does look nice Jsamuel it does look a little greener, keep playing with the iso setting and shutter speed....
No knockin the $200 cams man :p i've consistently been putting out better pics than some of these $1000 SLR'S distant/macro Samsung know what they're doin when it comes to picture clarity :) yeah the slr's are quick processing, and they work fast, but for value/clarity samsung are ahead of the pack if you ask me, they just require a little more patience for booting up flash power but focussing is fast enough for me, and i can slip it into a tiny protector case and slip it in my pocket. Battery life is outta this world i may have only charged this 4 or 5 times in over 6 months, using it almost everyday. listen to me sellin their cam :p yeah slr's are good, they're both good :)
 

jsamuel24

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That does look nice Jsamuel it does look a little greener, keep playing with the iso setting and shutter speed....
No knockin the $200 cams man :p i've consistently been putting out better pics than some of these $1000 SLR'S distant/macro Samsung know what they're doin when it comes to picture clarity :) yeah the slr's are quick processing, and they work fast, but for value/clarity samsung are ahead of the pack if you ask me, they just require a little more patience for booting up flash power but focussing is fast enough for me, and i can slip it into a tiny protector case and slip it in my pocket. Battery life is outta this world i may have only charged this 4 or 5 times in over 6 months, using it almost everyday. listen to me sellin their cam :p yeah slr's are good, they're both good :)
Yeah its more about the money for me. just sunk about 2k into my grow room with another 1k to go into it in the next 3-4 weeks so i dont wanna replace something that should do what I need it to do if I just learned how to use the thing lol. Hey bro, would you mind stoping by my journal and let me know what you think of my plan. Too tired to type it all out again, but its in my last post. Thanks again for the help bro.

Snoogins
 

Gorbzzz

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speaking of cameras, I just got a sony cybershot tx5.. waterproof to 3metres shockproof to 1.5 and even freeze proof! Just waiting on a charger for it from ebay :(

my pics are up flo:):), the photos are taken with a cheap camera as the cybershot cam i bought was off a mate and its batteries dead till i get the charger :neutral:
 

flowamasta

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speaking of cameras, I just got a sony cybershot tx5.. waterproof to 3metres shockproof to 1.5 and even freeze proof! Just waiting on a charger for it from ebay :(

my pics are up flo:):), the photos are taken with a cheap camera as the cybershot cam i bought was off a mate and its batteries dead till i get the charger :neutral:
Can't wait to see them new pics!! fuk yeeeeeeeeaaaaahhh plants are looking sweet man! GO THE PERLITE!!!
edit : cutting clones tonight, and fimming...... update to come
 

eastcoastmo

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don't mind at all! thanx for the compliments once again! I used to follow cycos feed schedule pretty strictly until i found it was creating burns, foxtails and still heacily green leaves towards the end of harvest...so come flowering i only use base nutrient (bloom A + B) , slica at recommended strength , and i use swell at about 3/4 strength and watch closely for burn signs. I have completely eliminated any Nitrogen products during flowering as i understand it is the plants process now to use up the stored nitrogen that is available in the stems and leaves and a bit left over in the medium ofcourse. This helps with the maturing of the plant in my opinion as i have noticed outdoor plants do it more easily as the sun or something must break down something and get the process happening automatically. In hydro if we continue to feed nitrogen we can easily over-feed it. I noticed 100% better results eliminating these nutrients and did not harm my yield at all, if anything it helped it and kept my uniformed bud appearance and leaves discolouration towards the end and brang out the purple colours...which i kinda lost in the drying process a little, so this harvest i will try to go for a little longer and strip those leaves of any colour :)
I also think my key yielding factors come from only applying my pottassium during the first stages of flowering 1-3 weeks, then move to high phosphorous/ low potassium as the 2 tend to cause burns very easily together. Potassium helps transport carbs, and phosphorous turns it into usable plant food which would usually break down very quickly, and become 'wasted' Phsophorous works by binding itself and growing so while turning into a usable plant food it increases in mass and forces the plant to feed more and use more water....This is not an exact theory by any means, this is what i have come to learn from researching and finding my own conclusion based on my own direct results. Alot of companies tell you these key things on the packaging....BUT are they really adapting this to their regime??? I'm almost positive they just want you to buy more of their product even if your plants don't need it.....

now time to cop the Flak :p but honestly, i think my results speak for themselves and even though i differ from each grow a little i hope that i can show people that a simple effective system is possible even if you don't follow the usual 'booklet' Indoors is a whole different ball game to outside, and trying to mimic mother nature is one thing....but to cheat it :p that's Gold.


the camera has a custom temperature setting which cancels out 95% of the red spectrum the HID produces, and at the moment i got my pro-gro bulb in which is a much higher red then my son-t agro, and i think that helps give that really dark green vibrant look as i kinda swaps oposite ends of the spectrum so i get much greener colours (more natural) heaps easy to find a good balance with this camera, and gets easier as i get closer to the bulb within around 12 inches away, but anything closer than that and i can't compensate for shutter speed and the pics end up to bright and washed with white.
If i want to see lots of green, flash off and find a good ISO setting to match shutter-speed.
Did you say you had the same camera? can't remember alot of people have bought it since me....hmmm coincidence perhaps lol
Thanks for the detailed reply mate, really good info in there. I pretty much only use the flowering nutes A&B and psychobud so im interested as you seem to get thicker and more resinous buds :) once mine are a bit bigger i'll post up some
pics too!! Cheers Flowa!
 

flowamasta

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Thanks for the detailed reply mate, really good info in there. I pretty much only use the flowering nutes A&B and psychobud so im interested as you seem to get thicker and more resinous buds :) once mine are a bit bigger i'll post up some
pics too!! Cheers Flowa!
yeah, i can't really answer that ?! they do get big that's for sure, i truly put it down to this simple effective system. Keeping things fresh and clean as possible.

day 8 veg....cut 6 clones this time, and fimmed maybe 20 tips also left 1 branch to grow tall and large at the front left hand side, i will include a pic. I used the usual replicator from Dutch Master to clone with (gel) and did a huuuuuuge cleanup of the lower and mid section!!! a huuuuge handful of leaves and spindly useless tippy branches! off they came :) I can now see through my plant, and can clearly see the centre where the trunk is :) Happy now, and she does look bushy.... i need her to stretch now 2-4 days of non stop growing and then flip time. Already!!!????

U bet.

wait till you scroll down to the 28 day old trunk hehe....this bitch could hold up apples i swear lol!!!
enjoy


 

Downinit

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Hey flowa!! I love what u r doing bro but y do u cut the tips of the leaves on clones?? U inspired me to try clones and so far so good!! U r using a top feed system, can u use 100% perlite in a bubble system?? I want trunks like urs...
 

flowamasta

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Hey flowa!! I love what u r doing bro but y do u cut the tips of the leaves on clones?? U inspired me to try clones and so far so good!! U r using a top feed system, can u use 100% perlite in a bubble system?? I want trunks like urs...
Cheers man, i cut the leaves off the leaves so that they don't droop and need less water. If they were whole, the leaves would already be drooping because you cut off the water supply so this helps save energy and that goes to making new roots, i have tried both ways and this works much better and usually never have leaves dying off this way. Yes you can use perlite in a bubble system, no reason why not, just use coarse large mass perlite so it doesn't fall through into your res, not that that matters as perlite floats. Hehe alot of people say things like 'i want trunks like that' i just say, go 100% perlite, and let them grow fast :) the secrets out now, i broke the pro-gro-code :p
 

^Slanty

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Cheers man, i cut the leaves off the leaves so that they don't droop and need less water. If they were whole, the leaves would already be drooping because you cut off the water supply so this helps save energy and that goes to making new roots, i have tried both ways and this works much better and usually never have leaves dying off this way. Yes you can use perlite in a bubble system, no reason why not, just use coarse large mass perlite so it doesn't fall through into your res, not that that matters as perlite floats. Hehe alot of people say things like 'i want trunks like that' i just say, go 100% perlite, and let them grow fast :) the secrets out now, i broke the pro-gro-code :p
HAHA.... wait til I show you pics of the stalk of one my plants going now in my UC setup! I am guessing it will be well over 4" now.... and still have a couple of weeks left on that one!
 

jsamuel24

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Hey Flow, I need your advice.


Before I start let me make this clear to everyone, this is not an opening to discuss cutting fan leaves or trying to advocate for or against, so please do not take it that way and start the arguments, just dont want that to start here.

So flow, my last strain I ran was my first scrog, and the leaves of the plant didnt become the size of my hand. On my GDP the leaves are starting to push that way, and since I am only using transition for filling the scrog I am kinda worried at how much they cover the nodes trying to come up. Do you trim any of the huge leaves you get when you are training, and if so what %. I am not in favor of cutting fans, but when each leaf starts covering 5-6 inches of space under the screen it makes me worry about getting the tips up to the top so the scrog even works. Thanks bro.

Snoogins
 

dubalchemist

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i lived in sf for years and cannot figure out how they shot ghymkhana 5 theres almost no one watching and hes in pretty damn busy areas, except russian hill where he does that huge jump. ive tried to hit that in my 180sx didnt work out well....
 

flowamasta

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Where you buy the nutreitns in au? i been looking on ebay and bunnings has a brand called hydroponic solutions. help?
stick with ebay perhaps! if beginner go something easy like Dutch Masters or Cycoflower... both easy to use....sounds like some research is in order mate ;)

Hey Flow, I need your advice.


Before I start let me make this clear to everyone, this is not an opening to discuss cutting fan leaves or trying to advocate for or against, so please do not take it that way and start the arguments, just dont want that to start here.

So flow, my last strain I ran was my first scrog, and the leaves of the plant didnt become the size of my hand. On my GDP the leaves are starting to push that way, and since I am only using transition for filling the scrog I am kinda worried at how much they cover the nodes trying to come up. Do you trim any of the huge leaves you get when you are training, and if so what %. I am not in favor of cutting fans, but when each leaf starts covering 5-6 inches of space under the screen it makes me worry about getting the tips up to the top so the scrog even works. Thanks bro.

Snoogins
EVERY plant grows differently according to environment, nutrients, levels of light alot of things, i get vastly different results with my outdoor cuts than my indoor...
trimming of leaves.....this will always be debatable. I myself only trim if she has enough sustainable growth overall and it's only to clear the way for fresh air, my methods have somewhat changed a little now this grow and i still lollypopped quite a few small spindly branches but i left ALOT more medium stuff. I only remove lower Fan leaves....NEVER SHADE LEAVES!! shade leaves serve their purpose by protecting the new growth and collecting as much photosynthesis as possible! The fans that you see i cut serve little purpose as they receive little to know acceptable light for my conditions. I focus on a 12-16 inch area of height in my canopy, anything lower i clean up, remove all lower leaves on the branches and just leave the tip.....perhaps watch at around week 3 of flowering when i do another cleanup. The recent trim was needed for room to breathe and so i can see what's going on in order of size, length and growth of branches and new growing tips. Some new growth that will continue to come up from the bottom i will dispose of at week 3 as they will only leech good food from my growing heads......All these things add to speeding up the maturation and transferring energy to all the right places. If you can help support the buds with netting you can gain larger yields as the plant isn't using valuable energy trying to hold her leaves and colas up straight to soak up the light! I may baby her this way and hack a hell of alot of leaves off at the same time but everything i do serves a valuable purpose in my opinion, and each grow i learn things and manage to read my plant more and more.

Try NOT to trim Fans....i have a very large plant and i can safely take 10-15% of leaves and growth without causing a major imbalance in water retention....if you snip to much you will flood the plant and she will take days if not weeks to recover. This may not make sense but the reason this happens is the plant is used to taking up soo much water and nutrients....when you cut off her photo supply she is still trying to drink as much if not more trying to compensate for the leaking out of snipped stems and branches and trying to repair herself....Little spaced out few trimmings.... and nothing in the last 5 weeks of flowering as you want the plant to finish by feeding off every last leaf. The more healthy growth you have during flowering, the more usable food you have in supply to grow big flowers. So much food in fact that you may find if using a similar system to mine and flush regularly you will find that nutrient and water usage will die off towards the end as she will be in her last ripening stages and feeding off the leaves not your res....she may use water still as she will ofcourse sweat under the heat of the lamp but food WILL drop off.....and at this stage very easy to over-feed in my opinion. Especially in a sensitive system such as HYDRO. If your nutrients are wrong in your res, your medium will be the same. I don't use a ppm meter, never have, i believe if you obsess enough as i do you will soon know how to read your plant....thirsty....hungry....sad.....they all need love.

Depending on your lighting, focus on your light penetration depth....keep everything level and evenly spaced you should be fine....if you need to put another net in it can help as you can pull it down as the flowers grow tall and you can slot it between nodes if you have to to bend them this way and that way. You will be surprised how they can grow....mine is a mass entanglement....it may look neat lol but that canopy is thick and will need attention soon! I may not have the room for all these heads yet she has gone a bit mental

i lived in sf for years and cannot figure out how they shot ghymkhana 5 theres almost no one watching and hes in pretty damn busy areas, except russian hill where he does that huge jump. ive tried to hit that in my 180sx didnt work out well....
lol they closed off sections at a time and put it all together as 1 clip ;) but who cares ey! HOW FUKIN WILD IS HE!!! as if we ALL don't wish we could have an opportunity to drive like that!

good to see you again ;)
 

curly604

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Flowa! What's happenin brotha man. Holy jahova witness! Your girl is fucking beautiful , the growth on her has been. Amazing eh? Some real fine work as per usual man, gots a quick couple questions for ya :). When you flip to flower how much do you plants stretch? And if I remember right you use 2 screens right? Does the second screen stop stretch or is it additional support for your freakishly large colas? :D
 

flowamasta

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Great info Flowa :) Would +rep you but still have to share it around more apparently!
no worries man :) i stand to be corrected ofcourse, but i study alot when it comes to horticulture....my secret hobby from the world.
Thanx for your support easty :)

Flowa! What's happenin brotha man. Holy jahova witness! Your girl is fucking beautiful , the growth on her has been. Amazing eh? Some real fine work as per usual man, gots a quick couple questions for ya :). When you flip to flower how much do you plants stretch? And if I remember right you use 2 screens right? Does the second screen stop stretch or is it additional support for your freakishly large colas? :D
lol! thankyou curly! her growth has been fast yes, but not my fastest, and as not knowing the exact inspection date i have decided to flower her now, better to be safe than sorry and harvest 6 week buds....
I usually control my vertical stretch with Cycoflowers Part A PGR (plant Growth Regulator) there is alot of gossip....best to research for yourself.
This is the first grow i will not be using PGR's there are alot of people thinking this is my miracle to giant buds and huge yields, this is not entirely true, but i guess i'll have a play myself and show you guys for real, seeing as though i just grew Jack x and could not be happier!! i have actually gone back to some older outdoor from about a year back, Jack is soo potent i just can't do anything on it let alone hold a conversation with a sentence longer than 10 seconds hehe i instantly forget what i'm doing/thinking...
I will be only using the 1 net for the time being, i have kept this plant VERY low and kind of squatting, this will help with strength in the branches , i just want to see how much she stretches from this net level during the first week of flowering without PGR's. I actually think i will get much better node spacing without Part B PGR also as i strongly believe this strain is more indica heavy stone sided and doesn't need shortening.
I may or may not add a 2nd layer of netting. I just looooooooove the height of this girl! i hope her growth continues and i get another 8-10 inches. That would be pure sex.
 

2easy

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cool cant wait to see you do a grow without pgr's. my guess is your buds will be just as big. they may even appear to be larger due to longer node spacing and longer running colas but i guess we will see
 
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