First try at breeding.

I just collected pollen and did some crossing between my Morocan Black (hash plant) and Super Lemon Haze. Also made F1's of Morocan Black (2 phenos of females) all crosses done with same male.

The Super Lemon Haze was a great accidental aquisition. It was a mislabeled clone that was supposed to be northern lights. This particular pheno smells and tastes exactly like its name says lemon and haze in the perfect combination. it takes about 10-11 weeks to flowerand grows tall and obviously sativa dominant. A decent yeild I was getting about an ounce per plant with 4-6 weeks veg putting 3-4 plants in a 2x3 tent under a single 150w hps.

The Morocan Black were freebie seeds when I ordered from marijuana-seeds.nl. out of 5 seeds i got 2 female 2 male and 1 male that hermied a little so i tossed it. out of the 2 males one was a runt from seed so i got rid of him too. the last male and the one used for this cross grew out 12/12 from seed ended up about 18 inches tall. it grew with tight nodes and large flower clusters. I think i have some cell phone pics i'll try to upload later with the updates.

I also pollinated some lower branches of both Morocan Black females with the male pollen. both females are wildly different phenos. One is a sativa leaning plant growing tall with loose nodes. the other one and my favorite so far is a much more indica dominant plant. This is supposed to be a hash plant strain and this particular girl has all the right stuff. she is short fat with big round leaves. very tight node spacing and very nice plant structure. I pollinated both plants with my male hoping to shorten up the taller girl and just reproduce the second female for further breeding and growing for my patients as a bedtime strain.

The goal of the Super Lemon x Morocan cross is to continue the Super Lemon Haze strain for me. I lost the mother plant and all but 4 of the last 12 cuttings I made to a mite infestation. The 2 SLH plants I ended up saving are already flowering so as soon as i had any pollen i wanted to make a cross. I'm hoping I can retain the very heady high of the haze and shorten the flowering time and stature of the plant with the indica cross.

I'm now growing under 400W hps in a 3x3 tent. the 2x3 and the 150w are used for seed starting and sexing. I have begun growing 12/12 from seed. I have 10 northern lights seeds and 10 Big Bud seeds yet to be cracked and I have 10 Bubble gum seeds all with 3-4 nodes under the 400 for now waiting for them to show sex. the males will be transfered to the small tent for pollen collection and I will create f1's of the bubble gum. Once i see how many females i have overall I will be starting the next strain in the small tent and sexing/ making f1's of it and so on and so forth til i've selected what genetics i'm working with based on smoke testing and growing out the subsequent generations. plant counts for medical patients are so stupid and makes trying to breed hard. I need some more patients and care givers to grow what seed i can make to help use numbers to create what is really ideal but i'll get to that once the seeds start to pile up lol.
 

Playtowin

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How do you collect your pollen? I'm doing my first cross right now, no real science behind it, I had a TGA Pandora's Box Male, an El Dorado female that shouldn't be alive, was the runt of all ladies as she went through a hellish child hood, and no seeds. I have a male TGA Jack The Ripper hitting a blueberry, Ace of Spades, Kali Mist, Chocolope and Purple Heart right now. Most of these are only 12-16 inches high.
 

Buddy232

Active Member
Not sure if it was the right way but I saved some male pollen once. I started by making a sterile work enviroment (like I do when I germ seeds), taking a sheet of wax paper, bringing in a cut of a flowering male... I gave it a couple taps onto the paper and wrapped/bagged it up. Ideally I would have just put it in a 1/4 or 1/2 dram vial however I gave all of that stuff away a while ago. :(
 
I took my male put a paper bag over him when he was mostly popping his balls cinched the end of the bag over the main stalk of the plant with a piece of string, cut the plant just below that string. I put the bag in a cool dry place (by the way I didn't water the plant after the pods started opening) let the plant dry for a day shake and let the cloud of pollen settle for a bit. I opened the bag carefully then slowly removed the dry male plant (or branch if yo have a big male) and gently shake to release the last Of the pollen. Then I poured the settled pollen out of the bag through a funnel with a screen in the bottom to catch the stray flowers. I poured the strained pollen into a contact lens case. Put a few grains of white rice in the case and store it in the fridge. When you're ready to pollinate use a fine haired artists paint brush. brush it on the female flower first to make it a little sticky dip in the lens case brush the selected flowers with pollen gently. It only takes one grain of pollen to create a seed so if you don't have much pollen you can cut it with a neutral powder like flour to make it spread further. In about 3-5 days you will see the pistils of the female start to brown and wilt (she's not maturing don't chop her down). Flower the plant normally at least 6-8 weeks for seeds to mature. Dry the plant and collect and dry the seeds. In my case I pollinated an entire Super Lemon plant so I will break it all up as it dries sift the seeds out through a screen and used the bud to make a batch of bubble hash with the trim of the rest of my crop.
 

Buddy232

Active Member
I took my male put a paper bag over him when he was mostly popping his balls cinched the end of the bag over the main stalk of the plant with a piece of string, cut the plant just below that string. I put the bag in a cool dry place (by the way I didn't water the plant after the pods started opening) let the plant dry for a day shake and let the cloud of pollen settle for a bit. I opened the bag carefully then slowly removed the dry male plant (or branch if yo have a big male) and gently shake to release the last Of the pollen. Then I poured the settled pollen out of the bag through a funnel with a screen in the bottom to catch the stray flowers. I poured the strained pollen into a contact lens case. Put a few grains of white rice in the case and store it in the fridge. When you're ready to pollinate use a fine haired artists paint brush. brush it on the female flower first to make it a little sticky dip in the lens case brush the selected flowers with pollen gently. It only takes one grain of pollen to create a seed so if you don't have much pollen you can cut it with a neutral powder like flour to make it spread further. In about 3-5 days you will see the pistils of the female start to brown and wilt (she's not maturing don't chop her down). Flower the plant normally at least 6-8 weeks for seeds to mature. Dry the plant and collect and dry the seeds. In my case I pollinated an entire Super Lemon plant so I will break it all up as it dries sift the seeds out through a screen and used the bud to make a batch of bubble hash with the trim of the rest of my crop.
Great description Matty.

I like how you noted tying the bag and letting it settle after you shook it! Great advice. As I noted, I (try to) make a sterile working eviroment prior to doing most of my work. I've only ever had one male plant crop up on me, but it's a matter of getting into the habit. Pollen is like mold... that stuff get's airbourne and forget about it. Plus it will settle in your clothes, carpet, etc. It will make for some nice cross contamination. As you mentioned, one little grain of pollen is all it takes - so if an odd ones falls into your dish or get's onto your plant, we'll you've just ruined your breeding efforts. (As far as knowing exactly what you have.)

Good mention of the pistils dieing prematurely as well. I bet most people don't know that. This summer I pollenating many of my day lillies outside and the pistals died off within hours. The ones I didn't pollenate never really died and sat there all summer waiting for pollen. :)

Bud
 
How is a specific cross between two different strains with stated goals for the ultimate outcome not breeding asshole? I didnt ask your opinion either so if you have negativity to bring to my post you can simply not read the thread. I did nothing to you and now you're going to attack me for actually attempting to create something this is specifically designed to meet my patients needs? What good have you done for your fellow man lately (I'm gonna call you Way-Subcool cuz you're obviously a genetics and breeding expert whom I've never heard of or met) Way-Subcool? Probably nothing huh? You troll through Internet forums because you have no friends and try to take any positivity into negativity to make yourself feel better about the fact that you're a dick ass with people skills. If you've got a problem with me I suggest you A) find out who the fck I am and B) shut the fck up
 

chuckyP

Member
no need to find out who you are.....i dont care. good luck with your pollen chucking. thats what it is with your small selection and limited numbers because of state law. dont act like your a breeder when your not.

I've contributed meds, seeds, clones, and my time to the local mmj community.

im not on these forums to make friends. most of my posts do have accurate relevant info.
 

Buddy232

Active Member
no need to find out who you are.....i dont care. good luck with your pollen chucking. thats what it is with your small selection and limited numbers because of state law. dont act like your a breeder when your not.

I've contributed meds, seeds, clones, and my time to the local mmj community.

im not on these forums to make friends. most of my posts do have accurate relevant info.
Chucky.

What is your take on stabilizing and crossing via selfing? I'm sure this can be achieved with the limited numbers if you don't care about yield, seeds or mishaps.
 

Tamorin

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Could use a bit of insight my self , all I would do is find something I liked buy a ton of its regular seeds grow a ton and pick out my favorites with them either pollenate a male I like with a female or 20 I like from them pick better and keep norrowing down the genetics I like till I have what that strain could ever possibley give me. But call me old.fashion ill let everyone else do that and ill pay for it. I get a decent satisfaction from picking out the best looking female and cloning her till better stuffs out. Every seeds diffrent so its easy to have fun with. But I too would love to have a genetics line I keep.for.myself. I just would have to.start at the begining the pre 98 genetics or whatever the term is.
 

nl3004.kind

Active Member
try to keep it civil... chucky, you are new here, so you need to make sure that you tread lightly when spreading your own opinion... everyone has to start somewhere, and this place here is not call of duty or ever quest, so try to be respectful of others... we come here because it is a community, and when you curse and throw opinion (which is all you are offering) around like you're the only one whose opinion matters, it tends to make others not want to listen to what you have to say... i do not care if you're running a million dollar room or a cfl in a clamp-light, everyone here deserves respect, and i DEMAND that you give it to them... you can make your own choice as to how you behave, but remember this, there will be consequences if you continue down this particular path...

also, matty, cursing is not going to make this situation any better right now, please try to refrain from this language, it diminishes us all...
 

LBH

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If u really want to get a strain truly stable and isolate any specific traits through pheno selectivity,...... Youre going to need numbers. Much bigger numbers than RI allows. (Or lots and lots of time). Doesn't mean u can't cross 2 plants for shits n giggles
 
Lots of time and help from trusted and experienced growers. A sizable group with good communication working towards a common goal. I'm not trying to create the next trainwreck, I'm not trying to win a Cannabis Cup I'm working on improving medicine for the patients. If I can help one person have a better life because of something I've done I can be proud of what I've accomplished.
 

Buddy232

Active Member
If u really want to get a strain truly stable and isolate any specific traits through pheno selectivity,...... Youre going to need numbers. Much bigger numbers than RI allows. (Or lots and lots of time). Doesn't mean u can't cross 2 plants for shits n giggles
Big R... You should go over to the Maine forum and look at the threads "MOB Male" and "Hermies" (I think those were the two.) A few people, Tet, Cerberus and I were constructively "arguing" some breeding. One of my main interests (for shits and giggles like you said... I've no plans to breed seriously) is using only female pollen.
 

LBH

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Lots of time and help from trusted and experienced growers. A sizable group with good communication working towards a common goal. I'm not trying to create the next trainwreck, I'm not trying to win a Cannabis Cup
Why not if you have the growers.....research the story behind "Northern Lights", very cool collaborative effort. We've done a few here, GodCrack was the latest and that took a lot of help from folks in a neighboring state. 1100+ plants before it was ready to release

I'm working on improving medicine for the patients. If I can help one person have a better life because of something I've done I can be proud of what I've accomplished.
You should come chat with us at Know Your Grow Laboratories. We have designed the database to work in a way where it can help you isolate whats working and whats not along with the chemical analysis behind it. You open a profile which, essentially, is a portfolio of all your test results and then you can also then interact with other growers working towards the same goal for the same illness or affliction. All kinds of goodies being built into the site that could be helpful to you.
 

Buddy232

Active Member
You should come chat with us at Know Your Grow Laboratories. We have designed the database to work in a way where it can help you isolate whats working and whats not along with the chemical analysis behind it. You open a profile which, essentially, is a portfolio of all your test results and then you can also then interact with other growers working towards the same goal for the same illness or affliction. All kinds of goodies being built into the site that could be helpful to you.
LBH,

Do you know if KYG is capable of/interested in DNA profiling?

There are so many questions I have that could be anwsered with lab equipment, and successive ideas and proposals I could make with the resulting information.
 

Playtowin

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My breeding errr... I mean pollen chucking experiment. Ok, 8 days ago I picked 40 seeds off the plant and put them in shot glass for 36 hours. 18 seeds cracked w/several showing a little leg. Placed in propagation tray filled with Promix. I knocked over the shot glass and didn't discovered it till next day and thus do not know what the germ rate would have been. I'm on cloud 9 as to just growing them and then to have 18 crack right off the plant. Of the 18, 16 have broken ground and I have numbered them as they came out. I plucked another 500 seeds off the plant and there is at least that many more still on it, just not mature. Charging the batteries and will get some photo's up tomorrow.

 

nl3004.kind

Active Member
congrats on your first steps!!! who knows, maybe you WILL create the next trainwreck!!! stranger things have happened... and the we can all say "yeah, man i KNOW that guy, i watched them grow from young pups"... or at least, i will... good for you!!!
 

Playtowin

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congrats on your first steps!!! who knows, maybe you WILL create the next trainwreck!!! stranger things have happened... and the we can all say "yeah, man i KNOW that guy, i watched them grow from young pups"... or at least, i will... good for you!!!
Thanks for the props brother, I do aspire to breed a potent, high yielding, easy to grow plant but I have other dreams i'm chasing right now and just playing the perseverance game and the right spark. As I get males I chose the best one and tap each lady I have via a 1 month old clone. I preserve the genetics in a way for future use. Running clones will not get you any better than what you have. I LOVE THE TREASURE HUNT skydiver-1.gif
‎"I do not think there is any other quality so essential to success of any kind as the quality of perseverance. It overcomes almost everything, even nature." John D. Rockefeller
 

Buddy232

Active Member
Looking great PT!

Those look really dark, like they are from mostly indica parents. Also look all fairly consistently size and shape. You had told me the cross, but my brain is broken! I appears your going to have some nice kids there to have fun with!

Just as NL said, you never know who is going to create the next big thing! It seems like only yesterday I was an amateur invertebrate breeder and "researcher", sending off specimen to wherever basically just to make ends meat. My experiments taught the world how to captively rear an american scorpion species which for over 50 years was documented by countless scientists to not breed in captivity.

With the proper will, ATTITUDE and determination we've all got the potential my friends.


I can't wait to see the progress PT!
 
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