First time with clones, think i messed them up.

Yeah I am for sure going to switch nutrients. Fox farm seems to be popular and I am already using their soil, I think this is the route I will go. Thanks for helping out a first time grower. I will be updating as I go.

Definitely try to keep them going. This might sound strange, but it's a great learning experience when you make mistakes in the beginning and not after so many weeks of flowering. You probably already thought of this, but if you can , hedge your bets by getting some new clones properly potted and sitting next to the infirmary lot. At least if these fail you'll have a jump start on the next. You probably already thought of that and the advice is so simple that it's almost stupid of me to add it but .02 nonetheless.

I have thought about that. However the clones at the clubs are $10 each. I am almost 100 bucks into these. So I am going to hope these make it through. For the most part they look pretty healthy and 5 of the 9 didn't have any issues at all and are now starting to grow pretty nice and look healthy. So the worst case is I end up with 4 plants instead of 9, which would suck but 4 is better than none i guess. I got some bag seed though that I am starting to germ. No reply is stupid either, I am the noob asking questions so any advice is much appreciated.

Ok so I was saying before, don't flush Miricle Grow soil with miricle grow nutes, some of those nutes in both the soil and the chem is time realease. If you fush that soil you are continuing the overdose to the point of death "don't do it". When you re-pot and hopefully soon, just let them dry out, (the sooner the better) simply flip them and let as much soil FALL AWAY as possible without molesting the root system.Like sir ganja mentioned, these babies have had a rough start already, Don't rinse the roots nothing, simply re-pot in near inert soil. Black gold is the only organic with time realease I endorse. Its npk values are 0.05-0.0-0.0, The beads seem to time release coinsiding with the start of bloom for most of my strains, I rotate 18 samples. All from very old bag and comercial grow, seed stock. So that little boost of nitrogen at start of bloom 0.05 is all they need to see it through. I just tea guano and seakelp, sometimes guano and pot ash, at onset of bloom, feed this at week one feed again at week 5, add micro/secondary macros, and I'm done.

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Ok, I didn't water them for 3 days and then just yesterday I gave them a small bit of water just around the stem. I will wait and let them dry out a bit. the edges of the soil is already dry, just the middle portion needs to dry out more. Now that they are under the right lighting they should dry out pretty fast. I cut off the flowers on the 4 that had them, I was sure to be careful and only get the flowers.

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Ok...flowering plants will reveg when you get the lights right...DO NOT FLUSH!!! Whatever issues you are having will be compounded if you flush...I have done this a million times now I promise....All you need to do is allow the pot to totally dry---as in feather light---and then saturate the whole pot with water...as in do it over a drain so you can let a good bit of water run off...Then let the pot get totally dry again and repeat with the watering...then from now on, only water when the pot is feather light, and water til you see a good bit of runoff...when you feed nutes same thing...you need to see some run off anytime you water..watering less water at a time more frequently will cause weirdo dry spots in your soil that are just wasted space as far as the roots are concerned.

Fox Farms is an awesome super awesome soil that already has nutes in it...I love it to pieces though...more so than Roots Organic, but I haven't tried Black Gold yet...

Reverting a blooming plant when its that small back to bloom is simple.
Tools: a very sharp exacto or scalpel. razor blade etc.
Remove the complete calyx from the node region............
Return plant to 24 hr light to complete veg.

I think just about every new grower, (and some not so new), nute burns their plants at least once. Follow Mel's advice above and they will be fine. Good luck!

Perfect, I have got rid of the flowers as you stated. I will wait until the soil is dry and then give it a good watering. I just planted these clones in the smaller pots 10 days ago, the only other pots I have are the 3 gallon pots I was planning to finish the plants in. Should I really transplant these already with the recent trauma they have been through? Oh and I am using foxfarm soil not MG, not sure what difference that makes in the scenario.

Black gold is a fantastic mix,(I add a quart of perolite to a 3 gal bucket) " own preferance", The best thing about this stuff is price I can pot five,3 gal pots for about $11.00, Also It has very little clay and bentonite in it. It doesn' clod up, making it a very good candidate for recycled use. I have some half inch dimond plate screen,like you see on the headache rack on a for whell drive truck. I run my soil through it at the end of the grow,removing as much roots as possible. I store it in large rubbermade 40 gal garbage cans. I add molassas laden water I don't messure it I judge by color. ( weak coffee looking ). This will start the remaining roots and old amendments breaking down and incorporating into my soil. I put the lid on and let sit for a month. It' awsome for clones and seedlings, and doesn't burn anything. Gets them off to a good start!

FF is a good soil. Alittle high in nutes for new clones so I mix in 707 50/50 in solo cups. Then FF only after that. And if they have only been in there 10 days you still got plenty of time. Get them healthy and ready to flower then transplant. Or if they start showing signs of nute def.

What I would do is re-pot them in some neutral soil. The wilting of the leaves could be from over watering. Dry these bad boys out, (not till shock, just dry them out) I never feed my clones until a nice root ball is established and she's healthy. Also like melungeoman said, these appear to be blooming. 24/0 these bad boys. IMO..
Hope you get your issues figured out. We all grow from trial and error my friend.

Man I love this forum, so much knowledge and everyone is so helpful with fast reply's! I have learned so much in just a day.

Yes, If you can get them out of that mg soil your problems will be one or two less, I won't say they will be over, but minimalized to some degree by doing this.
Let them dry out bone dry, let the soil seperate from the side of the pot, do this by gently sqeezing apposing corners of the pot. This will cause the seperation, and in doing so allows air to the bottom of the pot. Thus allowing it to dry to some degree faster.
Transplant like described above in post #23.
These are kinda small, But I bet the 3 gal pot full of good soil will be benificial, at this point. had this been already transplanted. I think my suggestion would have been simallar to missnu's, I would just give it small amounts of water though around the stock this makes the root go a searching for a source of clean water,they do this by expanding and growing. You are by doing this growing a new, rejuvinated, un-fried vascular system for your plant.Thats why I place water around a plant recovering from nute and salt burned roots.
I simply don't like the effects of flushing a plant that's all, and have found several alternitives to try to avoid it, yes this may take a while longer for it to recover,but the overall recovery is much more to my satisfaction, IE less stress related problems, in my breeding programs the better.
If a plant was to get damaged enough to flush in my grow. I simply pull it up and put it into the composter.
I recomend to MOST growers that are talking about flushing,to do it as a very last ditch effort to save genetics that you can't afford to lose.

I already have 2 bags of fox farm, would it be beneficial to transplant them into 3 gallons of that? Just wondering if I can avoid buying more.

I'm not sure if my problem relates to yours but lately my clones are just turning out like shit. don't know why but quite a few now start molding, don't take root, or start showing roots then mold... I'm not sure what is going wrong here I use pucks, I keep them a little wet, and I air them out every once in a while. does anybody have any thoughts or suggestions to what I should try to do?

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I already have 2 bags of fox farm, would it be beneficial to transplant them into 3 gallons of that? Just wondering if I can avoid buying more.

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Be careful with the Fox Farm as well because FFOF can be too powerful for little babies in some cases and you'll have the same problems. As everyone else has been saying, you're having nutrient problems. If you're gonna use Fox Farm, try and get yourself a bag of coco and mix it with the fox farm. Sometimes I just use pure coco. You want to be careful how many nutes your little ones are getting, Fox Farm is some amazing soil but for smaller plants it's a little "too" amazing Fox Farm is for more mature plants because the plants are old enough to use the nutes in the soil, that's why for little ones you should use a soil that isn't too powerful.

You should also definitely not use nutes until the plant is established in the pot. When I put new clones in soil I just give them pH water until they start to show new growth, this is when I start to give them nutes but you have to be very gentle. With growing this plant, less is ALWAYS more. Whatever the back of the bottle says, cut the dosage in 1/4th. If they say to use 4 teaspoons, just use 1 and see how the plant reacts. Then just keep easing it up and eventually it'll be good. Get yourself some new pots and less potent soil, replant the babies, and give them pH water for a little bit until they get established into the pots

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I'm not sure if my problem relates to yours but lately my clones are just turning out like shit. don't know why but quite a few now start molding, don't take root, or start showing roots then mold... I'm not sure what is going wrong here I use pucks, I keep them a little wet, and I air them out every once in a while. does anybody have any thoughts or suggestions to what I should try to do?

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Is your equipment completely sterilized? If you posted a little more info detailing your methods it'd be easier to pinpoint a problem.

Anyway, get rid of the clones and whatever you were keeping them in (you have a humidity dome and such right?) and sanitize the living fuck out of your grow room. As you may or may not know, mold is transported in the air via spores and such so even if you kill the clones, the problem will still continue unless you clean your grow room. Get in there with a towel soaked in some bleach water and clean it out, that room needs to be so damn clean that you can perform surgery in that room (and with clones, you kind of are in a way ).

After you have completely sterilized your room, get yourself a new humidity dome and a brand new razor blade and try again. Taking a clone is easy, I'm sure you read the sticky, just cut at a 45 degree angle with a new razor blade, dip in root gel, put in your rockwool or puck and let it sit under the humidity dome under gentle light. And try not to check up on them too often or air them out, clones actually need humidity levels over 90% until they get roots. Until the clones grow roots you will need to provide them the water they need in the form of the occasional spray, 3-5 times a day should be good enough. Just try not to open the dome too much unless you plan on spraying them again. Clones without roots love high humidity levels because all that water in the air helps them grow because they don't have the roots to uptake the water, so you need to keep your humidity levels up.

Again, without knowing exactly what you do I can't pinpoint the problem. However signs of mold and such is usually a sign of a poorly sterilized grow room/materials. When you cut a clone you are opening a wound in the plant, so if the equipment isn't clean then you can potentially infect either the clone or the plant you took it from.

Good luck and hth!

well when I take the clones I use a brand new razor that I clean and wipe off. I use jiffy pellets, but I'm going to get away from those for my next ones.
I have washed out my humidity dome to an extent the last one in there wasn't molding, but they just weren't doing anything...
so now I'm using my own soil and see partially see through cups so that I can see when there are roots. I'm thinking part of it might have been the lighting I think I'm going to start it back up in my house again. I'm just curious though because I'm using rootone it's a powder, I'm curious is the gel substance better than the powder?
but I'm going to be doing this in a small area with a florescant light about 8-10 inches away.
other than that I'm also planning on trying the water cloning that Rollitup posted a while back.