First time grower respectfully in need of assistance

waynebebay

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I'm sure you guys probably get a fair share of newbies traipsing about in need of assistance and, fortunately, you get to have another one of those!

Nice to find a forum specifically dedicated to this topic as I am a RI state cardholder myself and became interested in growing as a result. Today, I had listened to a bunch of ways to grow and, actually, around ... 4 or 5 hours ago, I decided I thought I could do this and take on just like one plant to see if I could do it. So here I am. I am also on a budget and wouldn't like to have to pay for some crazy shit right now so if I could please get some input on how to properly do this throughout my growth while saving as much money as possible, that would be greatly appreciated!

So, as of now I am germinating a seed in damp paper towels. I have them in a bowl just chillin in the kitchen.:hump:

I am assuming the average germinating time until implanting into soil is around 3 days so I should assume around Tuesday time period that I should have all the supplies ready? Speaking of supplies... I was told that, specifically to the plant, that SuperSoil works wonders but that I should implant the seedling into a coir disk first for a period of growth then transplant into soil? I was thinking of using my basement as a grow room as well. It seems to be a fitting area for one little plant. I just have no clue what lights or set up I should use. I was told that I could get specific bulbs for a simple desk lamp and to hover it close to the soil while backing it off gradually as it grows.

I know I saw the rules saying that you can't comment in someone's journal unless provided the creator's permission so I will say now that I welcome any and all comments, suggestions, criticism, questions, etc. I am very new to this and I will probably need a few pointers so I will appreciate any attentiveness attracted by my quest for growth.

I will also read up on a few other journals to and take notes, and probably end up answering my own questions, haha.



=== From this point on (below this line) I will be adding tips, tricks, how-to's, and just notes of my endeavor. Weed Log, if you will. ===

Germination
To germinate seeds, it is a considerable and expedient option to dampen a paper towel, fold in in halves or however way you find useful, as long as you can have those seeds sitting pretty in a crease. This seems to be the method that is most popular in germination as it seems to have such a quick reaction this way. Some report sprouting within 24 hours! I like to have them in a crease so they are in the most stable portion of the fold. You then want to take this damp paper towel and place it inside of a Ziploc bag. Does NOT have to be fully open. Can be half closed or can even be completely closed. Not sure if there is a difference but if I find out then I will update my information. Lastly, the entirety of this needs to be placed in a warm and damp location, in my instance I have the Ziploc bag on top of my boiler in the basement. Let's recap:

- Damp Paper Towel
- Seeds in crease
- Paper Towel with seeds in Ziploc Bag
- Everything placed in a warm and damp area
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Q. When do I put the seeds in soil?
A. If your seeds have popped...
The moment you notice that your seeds have popped, could be within a 24 hour period or even longer, depending on many different types of factors but most importantly strength, you can throw them into the soil. It seems as though some seeds are raring to go while some other ones take their time. I, personally, hope that the seeds raring to go have no correlation in being a male plant ultimately. Now I had a tough time with finding the right soil at a conventional store or even something as well established as Home Depot and or Lowes. I had so many issues at these stores that I quickly just hopped in the car and went to a grow shop. They were awesome, went over so much information and I ended up going with a soil called Manna Mix. It is a very good mix as it already has a lot of the essential elements that keep the seeds in a state of natural habitat. A lot of people swear by their own mixtures and or other soils. There is a common popular home mixture called the Subcool SuperSoil mix that made an underground debut from High Times. Google Subcool SuperSoil mix and there are many step by step guides to make it.

I, myself, followed this:

- Peat Pots
- Manna Mix

Once the seeds pop they are ready to be planted. You can either choose a medium such as Coir Disks or something similar but I went straight to soil. I filled each peat pot about 85% of the way and pressed down lightly until it felt a bit packed. I then fingered a hole around 1/2" to 3/4" in the middle and planted the seeds, ROOTS FACING DOWN, then eyeballed the amount of water that I spritzed in. It left the soil fluffy but hydrated. I, then, bought a plastic tray and a dome (this is not necessary, apparently a dome and humid station, such as mine, is not necessary and mostly used with clones) and a long CFL with a reflector built in until I get my real set up delivered. Once it was all set up and watered, I placed the peat pots in the tray, then spritzed the inside of the dome for humidity and placed the light on top! Viola! Make sure the peat pots are at least 4 inches away from light and ensure all light is being utilized! This is what reflectors are for and why people keep their crop surrounded by the color white. PROVIDE 18 - 24 hours of light a day during this phase!
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Notes: CFLs will not burn through plastic, they don't heat up enough to cause damage but they are the best choice for growing on a budget and for small time growers. If you are a big time grower I would invest in HIDs.

Q. Should I obtain fertilizer for use in these stages?
A. Absolutely not during these beginning stages. The seeds have the nutrients (nutes) needed to start off without any additional nutes. Apparently adding fertilizer to start off can be very damaging to a seed so no. Stick with a good soil in the beginning, adding nutrients comes at a later time.
 

Cloudiology

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first things first. be ready with a pot, your grow medium and at least 1 23w cfl by tomorrow because those seeds can sprout in a paper towel within 24 hours in warm conditions using bowls and plates can actually be quite cold so sliding them in a zip lock bag or similar and placed in a dark warm area would give best results. Although i hear that just placing them in the medium to sprout naturally is also a good way to go. both methods worked fine for me though.
that way you can use them as a temporary setup until you get you're proper equipment. also choose your lighting carefully, be it MH/HPS (best overall except heat), CFL( great for low temperatures) and LED. Don't go near incandescent! they are useless and give off way to much heat for such low light return. If you look at CFL's, take no notice of the incandescent equivalent. it means nothing in the grow world. stick with noting the actual wattage. and then decide the rest around that. you've also got around 3 weeks to research nutrients because they won't be needed for around that amount of time.
 

waynebebay

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First off, thank you for the response. I am very pleased that you have decided to share this information with me. The notes I have on growing are from 1983 so I am assuming that things may be a bit different now. Haha.

Secondly, Low wattage CFL lighting sounds good to me. I actually don't mind what I 'should' be doing as long as I am taking the most cost effective route. I, also, don't have any equipment right now, literally I have a seed in a paper towel in my bowl placed in the basement on top of the boiler, nothing else. So, I am very happy that you are telling me things I need and by what time! This is what I need to know! Thank you very much.
 

Cloudiology

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no problems man. i'll sub this thread and help anyway i can. if you're going the route of cfl's then you won't have to worry too much about the heat. if you are using your basement, perhaps acquiring a small grow tent, they can up the budget though.. maybe get sheeting or plywood and paint it white and have some kind of reflective material. otherwise a lot of light will be lost. another thing would be to build something to hang your lights off and make sure it can be highly adjustable. you'll be wanting to keep the cfl's around 4-8 inches away from your plant at all time. you can buy large grow cfls in the 125/250/300 watt range. they're good, especially when purchased with a reflector. although with a lower budget making your own reflector is a possibility. also if you go the way of 23w+ then maybe look at the Y splitters, so one lamp powers 2 bulbs.
 

kushhound187

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Go cloudy. I like you are sharing even tho you are still learning. guess why? because we are all always learning. and we should all share how to help thers success. Im good, but i know theres better out there and i never forget it. always help, you sould always help you r fellow grower.

wayne you can send me a vm anytime and ill help you out
 

Cloudiology

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cheers man! the knowledge I've acquired from you guys shall be passed on as much as i can! this site is a great place to learn pretty much anything about growing! low budget and a desire to use cfls!? now that's something i can help with
 

waynebebay

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Well what kind of $ we talking about? And does the plant have to be enclosed?

Also, I have been reading a bit of this: http://www.420magazine.com/forums/grow-lighting/111680-cfl-light-tutorial.html
I think I will go with the CFL combo they talk about, 3 to 5 as they offer more efficient spectrum lighting compared to HPS.

I had an idea as well. I have exposed beams on the ceiling of the basement so I was thinking of hanging chain from there and attaching the large cfl bulb that way. Obviously, hook up the extension to do so. I feel that that is cost effective for the lighting situation.

By the way, the seeds made it to the ziploc :)
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P.S. Thanks Kushhound, look forward to hearing your input!
P.S.S. I say seeds because there are 3, I'm not sure which ones are feminized, to be honest.
 

Cloudiology

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for seedling/vegetative growth then enclosing isn't necessary, although 18/6 light schedule is the ideal of light/darkness during veg. i myself ran it 24/0 due to my lack of a timer, which i now have and still got great results. but if you're going with cfl then you'll definitely need decent reflective material around the plants along with the light. price wise i can't help you because i live in Ireland and prices are very different unfortunately. excellent about the ziplock! :) where did you get your seeds from?
 

kushhound187

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Cloudy is doing quite well on a low budget.

he has a thread, you should join us there. We are always happy to have more folks on
 

kushhound187

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I kind of think of cloudy as my unoficcial online aprentice. and now cloudy is going to have a aprentice!

yay for the world of weed growers we all get stronger! with every cycle we get stronger
 

waynebebay

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Cloudiology

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Haha, Alright, thanks. I will take a gander at your thread soon.

I really feel like a tent might be my best choice. I do have kids and wouldn't want the one who walks to stumbleupon a growing plant and me have to explain it, not yet.

I think I found a good one for a good price? http://www.amazon.com/LEDwholesalers-GYO1001-62-Inch-Reflective-Hydroponic/dp/B00283Q59M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1368397249&sr=8-1&keywords=Reflective+Hydroponics+Grow+Tent
that looks like a damn fine tent!
 

waynebebay

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So now, until I get the actual tent, what can I do temporarily? Buy one CFL and hang a soda can or something?
 

Cloudiology

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one or two cfl's will do the trick for the first week of seedling for all three. and you can, although not really needed, chop up a can. although i have seen people use it and it works well.
 

Cloudiology

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waynebebay

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https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/580212-homemade-hood-cfls-2.html

when you start getting your full cfl setup, making something like those shown on this page is an excellent idea. dotted around your grow tent in optimal positions would be perfect.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMp8xzyw6ms

this is a good looking setup for someone who uses resources on hand to creatively solve their needs. you should get ideas of what you want yours to look like
This is what I'm talking about! This is awesome, good shit. Thanks man.

Also, can I just use that SuperSoil or do I have to add nutrients or?
 
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