First time grower here. Have I burned one of my plants with Nutes?

ProPheT 216 said:

I'm not asking about circulation. Air exchange. What do you got going on for air exchange? How big of a exhaust fan? Timer?

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Sorry I missed this comment before. its a four inch inline which is running 24/7 its by vevor with the digital control but i think its basically the same kit as AC infinite do but under a different name. So i have it on fan setting 2 which is low but crank it up to 6 a few times a day for 20 minutes. So i assume there is decent air exchange constantly.

Nutty sKunK said:

Could be from pH swings if you are getting it other than soil? Interesting stuff. I thought it was just moisture but make sense being pH related as the pH does swing when peat dries.

It affects the youngest leaves first. The leaf margins wilt and die very fast, damage happens in 12hrs in my experience of drought

Let me take a pic tomorrow of effected leaf.

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As I am using all organics someone said not to worry about PH as the soil will adjust itself, in the beginning I was using just some standard vineger to bring PH down from 7.5 to 6.5, few drops or so here and there, maybe that wasnt the best thing to use if at all?

Nutty sKunK said:

That ain’t magnesium lol

It’s from lack of water at one time leading to the plant tissues dying. It’ll soon turn very crispy if not already and happens in 24hrs.

I had it happen 3 days ago and many times before when a drought occurred.

@xrevolutionx

Where you finger goes down to is not where the majority of the roots are. The roots go down/out. Many have hit the edges of the fabric pot now.

Stick a finger down the edge. Is it bone dry?

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Yep youre spot on. The edges were bone dry ive gave it a very slow water of about 1.5litre tonight and added relevant nutes as per schedule. So lets see how the next days go. Fingers crossed!

xrevolutionx said:

Yep youre spot on. The edges were bone dry ive gave it a very slow water of about 1.5litre tonight and added relevant nutes as per schedule. So lets see how the next days go. Fingers crossed!

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pH in organics is less important but still can be an issue if extremely acidic/alkaline.

Yea it’s nothing to worry about, just got a tad dry.

When you pot up in fabric pots gently push an inch around the edges as you fill. This will stop any gaps appearing and drying out too fast.

To rehydrate fully let her soak up the run off just one feeding.

How big is the pot? 3 gallon?

Nutty sKunK said:

Could be from pH swings if you are getting it other than soil? Interesting stuff. I thought it was just moisture but make sense being pH related as the pH does swing when peat dries.

It affects the youngest leaves first. The leaf margins wilt and die very fast, damage happens in 12hrs in my experience of drought

Let me take a pic tomorrow of effected leaf.

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yes its also from ph.all plant problems can be "faked" with ph since at wrong ph when you have magnesium you cant access it soo for the plant its not there.

amneziaHaze said:

yes its also from ph.all plant problems can be "faked" with ph since at wrong ph when you have magnesium you cant access it soo for the plant its not there.

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Definitely! pH does cause a lot of ‘issues’ people try to resolve with added food but make it worse.

But a magnesium deficiency has interveinal chlorosis that progresses. Not appearing within a day or so. That light green tissue on the leaf margins is dead on his plant and is probably crispy and crumbly by now

Nutty sKunK said:

Definitely! pH does cause a lot of ‘issues’ people try to resolve with added food but make it worse.

But a magnesium deficiency has interveinal chlorosis that progresses. Not appearing within a day or so. That light green tissue on the leaf margins is dead on his plant and is probably crispy and crumbly by now

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yea something like this

Nutty sKunK said:

pH in organics is less important but still can be an issue if extremely acidic/alkaline.

Yea it’s nothing to worry about, just got a tad dry.

When you pot up in fabric pots gently push an inch around the edges as you fill. This will stop any gaps appearing and drying out too fast.

To rehydrate fully let her soak up the run off just one feeding.

How big is the pot? 3 gallon?

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Exactly yep three gallon. Watering now about 1.5 litre a go every 2-3 days when the top inch is dryish. Comment noted for next run regarding potting up. I get about 10 percent runoff from my feeds. I have the pots sitting above where the runoff is as the pot doesnt sit in the runoff. Do you think the container when feeding should sit in the run off to allow the plant to take whatever it wants back up for some time?

xrevolutionx said:

Exactly yep three gallon. Watering now about 1.5 litre a go every 2-3 days when the top inch is dryish. Comment noted for next run regarding potting up. I get about 10 percent runoff from my feeds. I have the pots sitting above where the runoff is as the pot doesnt sit in the runoff. Do you think the container when feeding should sit in the run off to allow the plant to take whatever it wants back up for some time?

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no sitting in runoff is just inviting problems.water becomes anaerobic at some point and only bad bacteria grows there

xrevolutionx said:

Exactly yep three gallon. Watering now about 1.5 litre a go every 2-3 days when the top inch is dryish. Comment noted for next run regarding potting up. I get about 10 percent runoff from my feeds. I have the pots sitting above where the runoff is as the pot doesnt sit in the runoff. Do you think the container when feeding should sit in the run off to allow the plant to take whatever it wants back up for some time?

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Also when you pot up pre-moisten the soil with 10% volume of water prior to planting. I spread mine out and mixed it up evenly.

At the start you can let them soak the run off up but only if it’s a light potting mix. I do this until I’m feeding more nutrients. At the start it’s simply a root booster and calmag (I have soft water)

By the time they are stretching around your age and beyond the run off needs to be discarded as you can run into nutrient build up

Hey brother,

Autos seems verrrryy finnicky and light feeding , at least the tangie auto ive done , be CAREFUL with that biobizz feeding regime , youd absolutely melt them if you followed what it says most of the time, i stepped up to 2ml a litre of bio bizz bloom,top max and heaven and they really really didnt like that , had to give them pure water for 2 waterings then back on to 1ml/litre and they ended up fine thankfully.

K.I.S.S ftw , I use 12L fabric pots and literally......just water them when they are dry , like you need to be able to lift the pots up and judge if they need a water......I water about once a week but they get 4l or so each.

Dont overcomplicate it , pot feels light and you cant feel much water weight in there (along with a bit of drooping) needs a water. lots and not often is the way I do it , works a treat for me , have to have a dehumidifier running for a bit to get rid of all the pooled run off water otherwise the humidity shoots through the roof , dangerous in late flower.

Autos can be good but you're much better off doing photo strains IMO , but theres nothing abjectly wrong with them (smoking tangie auto right now lol)

CptBluemax said:

Hey brother,

Autos seems verrrryy finnicky and light feeding , at least the tangie auto ive done , be CAREFUL with that biobizz feeding regime , youd absolutely melt them if you followed what it says most of the time, i stepped up to 2ml a litre of bio bizz bloom,top max and heaven and they really really didnt like that , had to give them pure water for 2 waterings then back on to 1ml/litre and they ended up fine thankfully.

K.I.S.S ftw , I use 12L fabric pots and literally......just water them when they are dry , like you need to be able to lift the pots up and judge if they need a water......I water about once a week but they get 4l or so each.

Dont overcomplicate it , pot feels light and you cant feel much water weight in there (along with a bit of drooping) needs a water. lots and not often is the way I do it , works a treat for me , have to have a dehumidifier running for a bit to get rid of all the pooled run off water otherwise the humidity shoots through the roof , dangerous in late flower.

Autos can be good but you're much better off doing photo strains IMO , but theres nothing abjectly wrong with them (smoking tangie auto right now lol)

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Hey mate, I appreciate your detailed comments.
Quite a few people have told me to go for photos so I will after my next run as I have 1xgorilla, 3xcritical and 1xblueberry seeds left. My thinking originally was I want quick and easy and a small grow setup with not so big trees. I'm a relatively light bit regular vaporiser of the bud so I don't need big yields. I chose predominantly indica strains for size.

At the moment I'm doing 1.5 litres every three days and I've been careful with the nutes max 1ml per litre but usually I'm doing max 1ml per feed. For the biobizz lightmix soil. Biobizz directly said to follow the all mix plan so basically half quantities but I have been even more careful than that usually halfing again. I introduced some epsom salts for magnesium also and have started super light on the bloom given the stage the plants are at. Currently half way through week four!

I have a few questions or curiosity for you is when you were feeding the biobizz nutes were you applying 1ml per feed or 1ml per litre? So if you were feeding once per week 4 litres approx then would you put 4ml of grow in the water? At what point did you add bloom when the pistils started or later when budding started? Also if you were all organics were you bothering to ph? Was your water tap water and if so did you filter it/leave it for some time to dechlorinate? Thanks a million

xrevolutionx said:

Hey mate, I appreciate your detailed comments.
Quite a few people have told me to go for photos so I will after my next run as I have 1xgorilla, 3xcritical and 1xblueberry seeds left. My thinking originally was I want quick and easy and a small grow setup with not so big trees. I'm a relatively light bit regular vaporiser of the bud so I don't need big yields. I chose predominantly indica strains for size.

At the moment I'm doing 1.5 litres every three days and I've been careful with the nutes max 1ml per litre but usually I'm doing max 1ml per feed. For the biobizz lightmix soil. Biobizz directly said to follow the all mix plan so basically half quantities but I have been even more careful than that usually halfing again. I introduced some epsom salts for magnesium also and have started super light on the bloom given the stage the plants are at. Currently half way through week four!

I have a few questions or curiosity for you is when you were feeding the biobizz nutes were you applying 1ml per feed or 1ml per litre? So if you were feeding once per week 4 litres approx then would you put 4ml of grow in the water? At what point did you add bloom when the pistils started or later when budding started? Also if you were all organics were you bothering to ph? Was your water tap water and if so did you filter it/leave it for some time to dechlorinate? Thanks a million

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Hey bro ,

Theyd get 3 x 10L watering cans between the 5 of them , (actually have 6 just about to finish atm lol , too many) and it was 1ml/litre in EACH of those cans , so literally just a cap of bloom , top max and heaven in each can , when I stepped it up to 2 as I usually do with photos they started to burn (a LITTLE bit a tinny bit of nute burn is GOOD imo , just at the endddds of the leaves, as long as it doesnt progress , means theyve definitely got enough food)

My waters rather good here apparently,so no PH no filter, theyre in 12L fabric pots with bio bizz ALL mix.

With all mix they really dont seem to need feeding at all until around the first week or two of flower , I usually give them a cap of bio grow at the start of flower for 2 waterings along with the bloom/max/heaven then just those 3 going forwards. (I veg for 4 weeks) , didnt do that this time and they still seemed to have enough food , no noticeable problems ( GHS super lemon haze). Still experimenting with the grow at the start , they were really green and lush so I just played it by ear , didnt think theyd need it. I always starting giving them the bloom/max/heaven at 1ml/litre from the start of 12/12 flower then just take it from there. Less is definitely much better than too much

xrevolutionx said:

Hey mate, I appreciate your detailed comments.
Quite a few people have told me to go for photos so I will after my next run as I have 1xgorilla, 3xcritical and 1xblueberry seeds left. My thinking originally was I want quick and easy and a small grow setup with not so big trees. I'm a relatively light bit regular vaporiser of the bud so I don't need big yields. I chose predominantly indica strains for size.

At the moment I'm doing 1.5 litres every three days and I've been careful with the nutes max 1ml per litre but usually I'm doing max 1ml per feed. For the biobizz lightmix soil. Biobizz directly said to follow the all mix plan so basically half quantities but I have been even more careful than that usually halfing again. I introduced some epsom salts for magnesium also and have started super light on the bloom given the stage the plants are at. Currently half way through week four!

I have a few questions or curiosity for you is when you were feeding the biobizz nutes were you applying 1ml per feed or 1ml per litre? So if you were feeding once per week 4 litres approx then would you put 4ml of grow in the water? At what point did you add bloom when the pistils started or later when budding started? Also if you were all organics were you bothering to ph? Was your water tap water and if so did you filter it/leave it for some time to dechlorinate? Thanks a million

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duh sorry forgot we're talking about autos atm (baked , on autos lolol)

I basically did the same thing in all mix ,they get put in root riot cubes for about a weekissh then straight into the 12l pots , in allmix , I dont start feeding them at all then until they start showing pre flowers , then I just give them the 1ml/litre and go from there , usually about week5ish at least with the tangie I did

CptBluemax said:

Hey bro ,

Theyd get 3 x 10L watering cans between the 5 of them , (actually have 6 just about to finish atm lol , too many) and it was 1ml/litre in EACH of those cans , so literally just a cap of bloom , top max and heaven in each can , when I stepped it up to 2 as I usually do with photos they started to burn (a LITTLE bit a tinny bit of nute burn is GOOD imo , just at the endddds of the leaves, as long as it doesnt progress , means theyve definitely got enough food)

My waters rather good here apparently,so no PH no filter, theyre in 12L fabric pots with bio bizz ALL mix.

With all mix they really dont seem to need feeding at all until around the first week or two of flower , I usually give them a cap of bio grow at the start of flower for 2 waterings along with the bloom/max/heaven then just those 3 going forwards. (I veg for 4 weeks) , didnt do that this time and they still seemed to have enough food , no noticeable problems ( GHS super lemon haze). Still experimenting with the grow at the start , they were really green and lush so I just played it by ear , didnt think theyd need it. I always starting giving them the bloom/max/heaven at 1ml/litre from the start of 12/12 flower then just take it from there. Less is definitely much better than too much

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Hey! Had a busy week so didn't get chance to log on, but there has been some developments, both plants have different issues but hopefully I will still get some yield as flowering seems to be developing fine, how much the problems i have if i cant rectify hinder development remains to be seen. I just wanted to show the two p[lants and where they're at right now so I can maybe try to solve why they arent 100 percent healthy.

These are the details of my current grow schedule:
• PPFD 600-700 light at 60 cms approx from canopy
• Watering thoroughly and slowly twice per week approx of between 1500 and 1900ml. Tap water left for min 24 hours to dechlorinate.
• I am using BioBizz Grow and have started introducing slowly some BioBizz Bloom the last few feeds.
• Temps between 72F and 77F. RH between 47 and 64, Humidifier and three fans running inside the tent.
• Have started introducing a little epsom salts and homemade extract of eggshell for calmag levels but I am super gentle with them - perhaps this is the problem of deficiencies?

PLANT 1: The bigger plant with the most issues, biggest fan leaves starting dying off and getting brown/yellow crispy patches.
PLANT 2: The smaller plant has some yellowing on the lower big fan leaves. The leaves are deeper green throughout than the bigger plant.

Photos attached and always any advice/feedback is immensely appreciated.

xrevolutionx said:

Hey! Had a busy week so didn't get chance to log on, but there has been some developments, both plants have different issues but hopefully I will still get some yield as flowering seems to be developing fine, how much the problems i have if i cant rectify hinder development remains to be seen. I just wanted to show the two p[lants and where they're at right now so I can maybe try to solve why they arent 100 percent healthy.

These are the details of my current grow schedule:
• PPFD 600-700 light at 60 cms approx from canopy
• Watering thoroughly and slowly twice per week approx of between 1500 and 1900ml. Tap water left for min 24 hours to dechlorinate.
• I am using BioBizz Grow and have started introducing slowly some BioBizz Bloom the last few feeds.
• Temps between 72F and 77F. RH between 47 and 64, Humidifier and three fans running inside the tent.
• Have started introducing a little epsom salts and homemade extract of eggshell for calmag levels but I am super gentle with them - perhaps this is the problem of deficiencies?

PLANT 1: The bigger plant with the most issues, biggest fan leaves starting dying off and getting brown/yellow crispy patches.
PLANT 2: The smaller plant has some yellowing on the lower big fan leaves. The leaves are deeper green throughout than the bigger plant.

Photos attached and always any advice/feedback is immensely appreciated.

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Sounds good to be dude,

They dont look that bad at all really , little small but thats fine.

If you get to the end and harvest actual decent smokeable buds for your first grow you're doing very,very well.

Its difficult sometimes , I can only speak for using all mix , and I know that has a good load of feed in that lasts them well into the start of flower , light mix maybe only has feed for 1-2 weeks 'When using Light·Mix you can apply larger nutrient doses to any kind of plant, including heavy feeders, without the risk of overloading the soil and causing a nutrient burn – indicated by yellowing and crunchy, burnt tips on the leaves. ' this is what they say about it.

Again they dont look too bad , little experience with autos but the tangie autos I did ALL had some kind of weird issue , and definitely didnt like anything more than 1ml/litre of feed. If theyve been in light mix and flowering and havent had any bloom yet theyll be hurting for postassium and phosphorus , which might actually be your issue.

Sometimes they can have funny micro deficienies too I really recommened bio bizzs bio heaven , got alllllll the trace minerals theyd ever need in it as well as other goodies. All I use in flower is bloom,top max stimulant and the bio heaven.

CptBluemax said:

Sounds good to be dude,

They dont look that bad at all really , little small but thats fine.

If you get to the end and harvest actual decent smokeable buds for your first grow you're doing very,very well.

Its difficult sometimes , I can only speak for using all mix , and I know that has a good load of feed in that lasts them well into the start of flower , light mix maybe only has feed for 1-2 weeks 'When using Light·Mix you can apply larger nutrient doses to any kind of plant, including heavy feeders, without the risk of overloading the soil and causing a nutrient burn – indicated by yellowing and crunchy, burnt tips on the leaves. ' this is what they say about it.

Again they dont look too bad , little experience with autos but the tangie autos I did ALL had some kind of weird issue , and definitely didnt like anything more than 1ml/litre of feed. If theyve been in light mix and flowering and havent had any bloom yet theyll be hurting for postassium and phosphorus , which might actually be your issue.

Sometimes they can have funny micro deficienies too I really recommened bio bizzs bio heaven , got alllllll the trace minerals theyd ever need in it as well as other goodies. All I use in flower is bloom,top max stimulant and the bio heaven.

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Good to know! Thanks for your support. If you were me at this stage what would you be feeding? Would you use Grow all the way through like on the biobizz chart? And would you up the bloom now also to possible correct deficiencies? And at what point would one introduce top max. I'm into week five and this strain according to zamnesia runs for 8-9 weeks so let's say I have 4 weeks left before harvest.

One thing I did also do at the start in the smaller greener plant was input half a packet of a product from zamnesia called monster bud mix dry fertiliser in wth the biobizz light mix soil and I have fed that plant less Biobizz nutes throughout. Was a little experiment and I'm wondering whether the contents of that have helped sustain it's healthiness also.

Next grow im going to use 25 percent light mix in the top and then 75 percent all mix in the bottom.

xrevolutionx said:

Good to know! Thanks for your support. If you were me at this stage what would you be feeding? Would you use Grow all the way through like on the biobizz chart? And would you up the bloom now also to possible correct deficiencies? And at what point would one introduce top max. I'm into week five and this strain according to zamnesia runs for 8-9 weeks so let's say I have 4 weeks left before harvest.

One thing I did also do at the start in the smaller greener plant was input half a packet of a product from zamnesia called monster bud mix dry fertiliser in wth the biobizz light mix soil and I have fed that plant less Biobizz nutes throughout. Was a little experiment and I'm wondering whether the contents of that have helped sustain it's healthiness also.

Next grow im going to use 25 percent light mix in the top and then 75 percent all mix in the bottom.

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The flower times tend to be completely bullshit especially with autos , 10 weeks from seed my were but went 14.

Yeah no more grow they dont need it IMO , not in flower , during veg and early flower stretch yes , but I dont give any after.YES definitely be feeding them bloom now , I start feeding them with bloom ,top and heaven as soon as the pre flowers appear. theyre definitely hurting for some flower feed.

Id literally just stick with biobizz if you can and keep it simple , neverrrrr have any major problems with all mix , grow , bloom,top and heaven.

Hey guys im reaching out again for advice! Since the last time I checked in I have trimmer a lot of the bigger leaves below which were damaged from this problem, now it seems to be spreading all over the plant on many smaller leaves and well, just all over. Any advice? Should I try giving way more nutes or could this be leaf rusting?

Nutty sKunK said:

Could be from pH swings if you are getting it other than soil? Interesting stuff. I thought it was just moisture but make sense being pH related as the pH does swing when peat dries.

It affects the youngest leaves first. The leaf margins wilt and die very fast, damage happens in 12hrs in my experience of drought

Let me take a pic tomorrow of effected leaf.

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Im coming up the sixth week of the grow and having lots of expanded problems the far plant doesnt seem healthy at all and the smaller near plant has some brown rust spots, could be calcium deficiency? Looking for any advice still. Thanks <3

As I have got this far, all will not be lost will it, the buds will still be somewhat smokeable no matter what from this point onward or?