First post for first time grow!

BruteLemon

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Alright, so this will be my first time growing me some herb. Of course, I have many a question even after spending what seems like days and hours doing research. I guess I will start out by saying I have no clue what kind I want to grow. I want an herb that is medium height and a nice crop size. Also, since it would be my first time, I would like a strain that s relatively easy and can take some abuse haha. Now, I have 4x2x5 grow tent, a 6' inline fan with carbon filter, and a Apollo 400 watt hps/mh light system. I don't know if I need to go with soil or hydroponics first either. Also with the strain provided, what would the time from seed to harvest be, when to change lights, light times, drying and curing, and when and how much nutrients should be used/added?

Thanks!

Again, newbie here so take it easy on me! Lol.. Any and all information please!
 

green_machine_two9er

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Hey BruteLemon. SOIL SOIL SOIL!
thats the best thing you can do for you first grow. once you have mastered the basics dabble in hydro. soil will produce just as well with better tasting bud. and less problems to deal with!

Seeds, Im a big fan of herbies. fast shipping, freebies and lots of genetics to choose from.

I would start with a sativa/indica hybrid. something along the lines of 60/40.

Stain is really personal preference. Lemon skunk is my fallback. very hardy, can take a beating and still thirve. and producues well with a easy easy trim.


What you need to think about it water? air ? Food? substrate? temperature? light?
water source: be sure to test your water. if from tap think about a filter. if can not filter learn to distill choline products by sitting water ot for 24h prior to use. also ph meter and tds meter are 100% needed. do not over water!! wait for pots to get dryish(for 2-3 inches)

air: make sure you have passive air inputs bringing in fresh air. oscolating fans to keep cannopy cool

Food: you will need a good nutrient line(unless you feel like growing organic). you will need to learn to ph water after you mix nutrients, check Total Disolved Salts. also checking runnoff on your pots for ph every coupple weeks is a good practice. (range of 5.9-6.8 depending on which stage of growth.)

test your lights first to see what your temps get to. dont want to go above 80.

Substrate: The most common mistake i seewith new growers in useing way to large of pots to early. Start with a seed starter(blocks, cubes) the go to 8oz party cup once roots are established. then a 2qt, 2gallon, 5gallon ect. . The roots want to take up the container as quickly as possible. If you put a young plant into a 2-5 gallon pot more energy will be focues on the root growth and will stunt your plant greatly.

Light: sounds like you have the right size lamp for you tent.

ok hit me up with questions. i know i just kinda droped a bunch on you. the best teacher will be to just get into it, you will learn something new everyday(hopefully). check out herbies and good luck!
 

BruteLemon

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Lots of good information! I sure do appreciate it! What is a good nutrient ratio and for how long? Also, what is the soil? Mix without nuts? Also whats a good light timing?
 

Diabolical666

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Ahhhh young grass smoker.....so much to learn, and Greens right, you have to jump in. Research cannabis plant problems, scope out ppl's grows, watch YT vids, read forums . I been doing this everyday for years, I'm still learning new things;)
 

green217

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Lots of good information! I sure do appreciate it! What is a good nutrient ratio and for how long? Also, what is the soil? Mix without nuts? Also whats a good light timing?
I'm relatively new to this, just started my first indoor growing this summer.Start organic so you have less of a chance to burn them, get some bottled organic fertilizer, I recommend sunshine mix#4 for a medium. My first grow I went with the GO box, by GH for nutes. I was very happy with what I ended up with. GreenMachine is right on with all his stuff though, check your water, keep your temps stable, and humidity is important, just don't over complicate it, and be patient. You will be rewarded!
 

green_machine_two9er

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Lots of good information! I sure do appreciate it! What is a good nutrient ratio and for how long? Also, what is the soil? Mix without nuts? Also whats a good light timing?
there are lots of good soil mixes out there. foxfarm , roots, pro mix, ect.
for a first time grower fox farm ocean forrest is always a good option. it is loaded with NPK and usually will get you into flower without needing any supplimentary feedings(strain depending).
If you do go with ocean forrest be sure to grab a bag of Perlite and cut you mix 20-30%. this is a good practice with most soils but a must with ocean forrest. then you need to choose supplimentary nutrients. there are many brands, just be sure to have high Nitrogen in Veg. and Higher P and K in flower.
feedings should be to give the plant what it wants to grow to full potential. there is no magic nutrient that makes "the best" buds. so when you choose a nutrient be sure to start with 1/4 strength feedings.!! it is very easy to burn your ladies quick with to much bottles nutrients.

light timing? the age old answer is 18/6 for veg. 12/12 for flower. is that what you were asking? also be sure to use your MH during veg HPS during flower.
 

green_machine_two9er

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I'm relatively new to this, just started my first indoor growing this summer.Start organic so you have less of a chance to burn them, get some bottled organic fertilizer, I recommend sunshine mix#4 for a medium. My first grow I went with the GO box, by GH for nutes. I was very happy with what I ended up with. GreenMachine is right on with all his stuff though, check your water, keep your temps stable, and humidity is important, just don't over complicate it, and be patient. You will be rewarded!
Green do you mean start each grow cycle organic to avoid burn or just to grow organic in general?
 

ISK

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more things to go wrong with soil than a hempy (drain to waste) ....hempy may be slightly more effort than soil but rather easy to recover from any mistakes...and you can't really over water it.

A hempy is the most basic form of hydroponics....and very cheap and easy to setup.

I use 2 litre pop bottles (preferably green such a 7UP or Sprite) cut the top off and make a hole (no bigger than a dime) about 2 inches from the bottom, fill with a 3:1 ratio of perlite/vermiculite

you will need nutes....I use the basic Lucas formula, which is GH Maxi-Gro/Bloom plus cal-mag and pH+ to approx 6.8 (I use pH test drops as you don't need to be that exact)

below are 2L pop bottle hempy's...follow my link for more details
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green217

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more things to go wrong with soil than a hempy (drain to waste) ....hempy may be slightly more effort than soil but rather easy to recover from any mistakes...and you can't really over water it.

A hempy is the most basic form of hydroponics....and very cheap and easy to setup.

I use 2 litre pop bottles (preferably green such a 7UP or Sprite) cut the top off and make a hole (no bigger than a dime) about 2 inches from the bottom, fill with a 3:1 ratio of perlite/vermiculite

you will need nutes....I use the basic Lucas formula, which is GH Maxi-Gro/Bloom plus cal-mag and pH+ to approx 6.8 (I use pH test drops as you don't need to be that exact)

below are 2L pop bottle hempy's...follow my link for more details
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I like your results, I want to try it out. Someday I'll get off my ass and make it happen.
 
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green_machine_two9er

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more things to go wrong with soil than a hempy (drain to waste) ....hempy may be slightly more effort than soil but rather easy to recover from any mistakes...and you can't really over water it.

A hempy is the most basic form of hydroponics....and very cheap and easy to setup.

I use 2 litre pop bottles (preferably green such a 7UP or Sprite) cut the top off and make a hole (no bigger than a dime) about 2 inches from the bottom, fill with a 3:1 ratio of perlite/vermiculite

you will need nutes....I use the basic Lucas formula, which is GH Maxi-Gro/Bloom plus cal-mag and pH+ to approx 6.8 (I use pH test drops as you don't need to be that exact)

below are 2L pop bottle hempy's...follow my link for more details
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Could you use just perlite ?
 

Ninjabowler

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Sure is a lot of advice up there huh?

Personally id grow star trek, or northern lights x with anything, or cherry pie, or blueberry. Those are all pretty easy and fun starter plants. They stay shortish and they grow like production plants. Like a christmas tree and not all over the branchy place.

Your first challenge unless you find clones (medical?) is going to be sprouting the seeds. Theyre expensive so i suggest not messing up to many times. Id go with feminized seeds on your first grow to reduce the chance of....well doing all this for nothing and growing two males. Buy ten seeds. Thats five runs of two plants and at least one outta ten has to make it right?! Just dont drown them. Damp and wet are totally different.

Theres two common ways of sprouting seeds. The paper towl method. Damp paper towel, seeds, baggie, when they crack, plant em in some seed starter mix (5bucks). It has low amounts of nutrients and is perfect for germinating in. Or just dampen the seed starting mix and pop a seed in there. Cover with plastic wrap and leave in the dark for 12-24 hrs and you should see signs of life, then immediately uncover and place under a low light lamp like a compact florecent pigs tail lookin light, or some floro tubes like t-5s or t-8s shop lights.

When they get thirsty respond accordingly. Dont water to much because its very easy to drown them by over watering. Classic newb mistake and they all do it. A sprout needs a lot less water than a foot high plant, and a three foot plant needs wy more than the one. A good way to regulate how much you water is your container size. If you put a small plant in a 10gallon container chances are that the pot will stay wet, because the little plant cant drink enough to empty it. Small plant in a small container. Wet it all and it will still dry out at the same speed as a huge plant in a huge container. Wet dry grows weed, not wet,wet,wet drowned. So you probably want to sprout in a half Gallon container and when the top of the plant is larger than the container transplant to a five gallon container. "More roots, more fruits" ;)

Choosing what to grow in is the next step. Organic soil has nutrients in it already. You can plant in it and it will not need additional feed for about a month and even then you probably wont need full strength doses of fertilizer. Its cheaper to run to run this way than in a soilless growing medium like promix, or coco coir. These soilless mixes have no dirt in them, theyre made of fake dirt with little to no nutrients in them so you have to supply them all to the plant. They produce better if you know what your doing but fail faster as well if you dont. Hydro is easy but complicated at the same time and requires more building off the bat, and money spent investing into your set up. Dirts fast, cheap, and easy. Id do dirt, organic, fox farm ocean forest soil. You only need to fertilize in flower and small doses in veg if any. Plant seed and watch it grow. How much easier do you want it? Its pretty much on no think auto pilot.

So now your plants growing, id wait to see a foot and a halfish or two depending what the end height is supposed to be via the seed supply company. They should tell you how tall they get. The plants stretch when flowering is triggered and they can double or triple in size. So be prepared for that. Riu will tell you if your unsure. Theres also ways to train the plant to stay short, these"weeds" will grow around anything. Two plants in that sized tent would probably be good with room for a third pot in there and you could crack a seed like every two months or 2.5 id say and have a good supply of meds.

A plant will veg forever almost if you let it. Under 24 hrs down to 18/6 it will not show signs of sex and stay in the vegging state. Once the photo period is decreased the plant will start to stretch to try and outgrow its sisters and find pollen. It will produce female flowers (buds) hopeing to become impregnated and seed out. We dont want that to obtain a sinsemilla crop. Vegging can be done from zero days (short plants when finnished) or however long it takes to grow them to 8' tall (probably 6 months) and theyll stretch to 10 or so feet. Younger plants have more potential to stretch than older plants. Older plants are old and young ones are wild and crazy.

From the date you change the plants light cycle to flower (12/12) it will always take around 70-100 days for the flowers to ripen. No matter how old the plant when its flipped. The flowers produce resin in the form of tricombs (read up on these) and they are a good thing to watch to tell you when the plant is ripe as they change color. The female parts on the plant called pistils also change color but can play tricks on you sometimes so the tricombs are more accurate.

When the plant is ripe cut it down and hang it somewhere to dry. Theres many threads to read on this but theyll all tell you to leave it in a dark, breezy spot and wait. A little added humidity can add time to drying which is good. You want the green plant matter to break down slowly and produce aromas and flavors at this point. A quick dry will leave it flavorless.

After thats done throw it in a jar for a couple of weeks while burping it to prevent mold (the devil) and then smoke it bro. Have fun, stay safe, and dont tell your friends. You can be cool, or you can be rich. One way keeps you in weed, one way leads to jail or getting robbed.

On that note im going to get high on some killer cherry pie. Have fun kid, youll love it. :):):)
 

BruteLemon

Member
Man so much information! A question I need to as now is How many days should a seed be under a florecent light and for how many hours a day? When should I switch to the MH light and when do I know they are ready for the HPS light to begin flowering? Or is this person preference and it depends on how tall you want the plant to be?

Also, when do I need to top my plants? Best trim? Most yield?
 
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green_machine_two9er

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I used 24 h for sprouting under low wattage t5.

I like to top at least 3 weeks before flower.

All the times depends on strain and how much room you have.

You have a 400w right? so I would look into scrog or low stress training to max yields.
 

green217

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Green do you mean start each grow cycle organic to avoid burn or just to grow organic in general?
I start all my grows out organic, to help avoid salts building up in my medium. I have recently invested in some GH Duo so I have been incorporating that in at flower time. I thought switching over to salt based ferts would give me more yield, but imho doesn't seem to make a whole lot of difference. At least not for me. And when I went all the way through with those GO nutes my plants looked happier than they were with the Duo line. But I vegged outside and have been battling aphids ever since. So that could be the reason for Duo line doing the same as the GO line.
 
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