First Hydro Grow

mikmike

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I am new to hydro systems. The plants are only 3 weeks old from seed. Personally i think they are looking lovely. what do you guys suggest. I am using CFLs and i know HPS and HID are better but too much money and heat for my little area. These seeds were gifted to me. one of them is blueberry no idea which one lol. I am using Sensi Grow Part A and B, along with using Budswell (earthworm castings, bat & seabird guano). My PH level is around 5.6-5.8. the room is about 74 Degrees and about 45% humidity. I am feeding them at 1400ppm right now which it will increase to about 1800ppm by the end of this week lol. So far there is almost no burning.
 

snocat

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those pots look a little small,you may want to up grade to bigger buckets,it will be worth it,looking good though
 

mikmike

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Well yea i am shocked to, i am going to keep raising the ppms by 200 to see if i get some nut burn and if i do, i am going to drop it. But yea they are going threw almost 1 and half liters of water per plant every day. i have to make new formula every 2 days. lol they are hungry plants. i think i might get to 1600ppm but no higher. cross my fingers and hope i get to 1800 ppm, that would be shweet. i am going to be updating my pics every day or 2. see how they explode
 

student121

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Well yea i am shocked to, i am going to keep raising the ppms by 200 to see if i get some nut burn and if i do, i am going to drop it. But yea they are going threw almost 1 and half liters of water per plant every day. i have to make new formula every 2 days. lol they are hungry plants. i think i might get to 1600ppm but no higher. cross my fingers and hope i get to 1800 ppm, that would be shweet. i am going to be updating my pics every day or 2. see how they explode

hi there my friend i am not been bad when i say this but is ur ppm 1600ppm and 1800ppm a mis type or they are at that level
 

mikmike

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right now my ppm is at 1400. Is it bad that it is so high, i am not getting any but burn or anything.
 

student121

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right now my ppm is at 1400. Is it bad that it is so high, i am not getting any but burn or anything.
if it works for u my friend carry on but i do like to keep my nutes under 900ppm and even less if i can get away with it

have a read of this it was done by earl a member on this site


More info about General Hydroponics

DWC is prone to Root Rot,
always due to low DO*

Altitude and Salinity play an important role
in how much DO a solution can carry.

If you reduce your nute loads,
your solution can carry more DO.

If you live in Denver,
you may have a problem indoor growing
with any temps above 65ºf

If you check out Roseypanties experiment,
you will see he had much better result
using a reduced nute load.

There were two positive effects on the plants,
that were grown using the reduced nute load.

The first good thing that happened was,
his DO increased,
due to the reduced salinity,
of his nutrient solution.

Second, osmotic pressure was reduced in the rhyzome,
allowing the plant to take in more H2o
and thus grow faster.

What does this second statement really mean?

Take your hand,
and leave it in salt water for an hour.

What happens?

Your skin wrinkles,... why?

Because the salt
has caused the osmotic pressure
on the outdside of your skin
to be higher than the pressure inside your skin,
and as the water in your hand
is sucked out through your skin,
your hand actually shrinks
from the loss of fluid
and the skin becomes loose
and wrinkled.

It is harder for your plant
to uptake water and nutrients
when you use high nute loads,
because the salt creates negative osmotic pressure (hypertonicity)
against the semipermeable membrane
of the root cell walls.

Here is the Wiki "scientific answer".

Osmotic pressure is the hydrostatic pressure
produced by a solution
in a space divided by a semipermeable membrane (your roots)
due to a differential in the concentrations of solute.

Osmoregulation is the homeostasis mechanism of an organism
to reach balance in osmotic pressure.

Osmotic potential is the opposite of water potential
with the former meaning
the degree to which a solvent (usually water)
would want to stay in a liquid
and not pass through the membrane.

Hypertonicity is a solution that causes cells to shrink.

It may or may not have a higher osmotic pressure than the cell interior
since the rate of water entry will depend upon the permeability of the cell membrane.

Hypotonicity is a solution that causes cells to swell.

It may or may not have a lower osmotic pressure than the cell interior,
since the rate of water entry will depend upon the permeability of the cell membrane.

Isotonic is a solution that produces no change in cell volume.
(this is what you want your nute solution to be)

When a biological cell is in a hypotonic environment,
the cell interior accumulates water,
water flows across the cell membrane into the cell,
causing it to expand.

In plant cells,
the cell wall restricts the expansion,
resulting in pressure on the cell wall
from within called turgor pressure.

(Swollen cells,
like swollen ankles or hands,
are not as productive.)

If you are good at math,
and want to get your nute solution perfect,
the osmotic pressure of a dilute solution
can be calculated using this formula

whereas
i = the Van t Hoff factor
M = the molarity
R = the gas constant, where R = 0.08206 L · atm · mol-1 · K-1
T = the thermodynamic temperature (formerly called absolute temperature)

Note: the similarity of the above formula to the ideal gas law
and also that osmotic pressure is not dependent on particle charge.
This equation was derived by van 't Hoff.

Now doing this calculation would be nice
if there are any college math majors out there,
but I use this chart,
and it has worked well for me.


_____________________% of Nute Load________________

As you can see, 50-75% is very adequate,
and it has been my personal experience,
that I have improved yields
and better taste,
when I use the lower end of "Sufficient",
on that chart.

(*Dissolved Oxygen)
.
 

mikmike

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very useful thanks for the info man. I might lower it but not to sure because my plants are exploding. there growth is amazing i mean they grow a LARGE amount each day and take up about 1-1.5 quarts of water a day (each plant).
 

Dirty Harry

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Pics 8 and 9 show a hint of nute burn on the tips. Not much, just a touch. If it stays like that, then you are doing very well. If you notice more tips starting to turn brown flush ASAP and lower nutes.
 

mikmike

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True so do you think i should keep up the amount i am feeding them and try increase it to like 1800 ppm. But here are the new pics for today. I added an LED bulb that was hanging around thought it can only help the grow lol.
 

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Dirty Harry

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You have incredibly dark green plants with just a hint of burn. IMHO your on the edge. I assume your change your res. water from time to time. I would leave things be as is and monitor the plants. If good up to when you change your res., I would only go up half as much as you want to and them watch for another cycle.
Your plants look pretty damn healthy, why try and force feed them?
 

mikmike

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I am going to be changing the water tomorrow in both and will put 1400 ppm in there and see if it will still hold, and y because the plants can take it and are not showing nut burn so the plants are happy they are getting all these nuts so y not carry on giving them it
 

mikmike

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Here are some new pics, sorry have not kept them up to date. what do you think, i just cleaned the reservoirs today and gave it 1000PPM because got slight nut burn.

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Weedler

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hi there weedler,800ppm 4 me i dont like to go over 900ppm this is very strange to have ppm so high......
Here that I let them drop down to 800 and they drink the most nutrients at that PPM so for me that is a clear signal that at 950 PPM they have not drank the amount of water they did at 800 also because I'm not adding the amount I was at the lower PPM. I plan on next rez change keeping it around 850-900 I will dilute them a little the RAW really boosts the PPM. I do start at 250 PPM straight from my tap. Good looking out bro. I'd hit you with rep but I need to pass more around so I'll take a hit for you instead LOL
 

Weedler

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Here are some new pics, sorry have not kept them up to date. what do you think, i just cleaned the reservoirs today and gave it 1000PPM because got slight nut burn.

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If that's what your calling nute burn your good bro I mean just the tips barely looked fried, on bad cases you'll see it eat up the whole leaf!

Rock it at 1000 PPM I bet the plants will feed more at that lower PPM, maybe I skipped over it but what nutrients are you using and what proportions
 

mikmike

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I am using SENSI GROW part A and B and 2 tsp per gallon. and yea i started it slowly turning brown on edges so though change water and lower, so no harm is done, rather do it now than wait and hurt plants. also there are lots of dots on some leaves

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