First Grow! Sealed/Closed Room, 2400 watts, CO2, Mini-Split AC, SmartPots, Dehum!
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good call on the humidifier. its always 55%-65% here so sometimes i forget.
for mine i stuck it in a 30 gal grow bag to start simply because seeds have taproots and the lower they go before getting constricted the better for growth. for clones i usually let them air prune and will gradually step them up. and yes, a 30gal grow bag is probably overkill but it never hurts to give them a little extra root space
for mine i stuck it in a 30 gal grow bag to start simply because seeds have taproots and the lower they go before getting constricted the better for growth. for clones i usually let them air prune and will gradually step them up. and yes, a 30gal grow bag is probably overkill but it never hurts to give them a little extra root space
xivex
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October 30, 2010 (Day 7 of Veg)...
Everything looking good! The babies are really starting to expand those leaves and fold them out reaching for the light. Looks like good light green growth all around on them. I think they are taking hold and doing great!
The humidifier had been running all night and the humidity was in the low 50's. I think this will help a lot.
Gave them a couple squirts each from my spray bottle with the plain water (with Silica and Cal-Mag+ added). The tops of the soil looked damp still, and I think the humidifier had lightly coated the tops of the soil with a damp, watery coat. So I didn't water too much, just a couple squirts each.
Here's the group shot of my seedlings on day 7 of veg:
Light measurements from the top of the solo cups (12" below the flouro panel)..this time I measured in Foot Candles and Lux. My meter does both. FC is first, lux is second. The seedlings are getting about 2700 Foot Candles/29,000 Lux (29.00 KilaLux) FYI! You can see "FC" for Foot Candles or "KLux" for KilaLux indicated in the bottom right corner of the meter's LCD Screen:
Also, I wanted to highlight my odor control mechanisms (this is crucial where I live). I have a 3-pronged attack.. Stage 1 - Carbon Filter with inline fan, Stage 2 - Sharper Image Negative Ionizer, Stage 3- Cap Ozone Jr. Stage 2 and 3 are located outside the grow room in the nearby room. They prevent odor from drifting where it isn't welcome if it escapes the grow room. I also have 2 cans of Ona Block Gel. I need to hang one on the grill of my oscillating wall fan.
Stage 1 (Carbon Filter):
Stage 2 (Negative Ionizer):
Stage 3 (Ozone Jr.):
Additionally, here are some random pics of my BlueLab Guardian setup by the sink area with some nutes and my EZ-CLONE machine...I got a bit camera happy today!
Comments Welcome!
Everything looking good! The babies are really starting to expand those leaves and fold them out reaching for the light. Looks like good light green growth all around on them. I think they are taking hold and doing great!
The humidifier had been running all night and the humidity was in the low 50's. I think this will help a lot.
Gave them a couple squirts each from my spray bottle with the plain water (with Silica and Cal-Mag+ added). The tops of the soil looked damp still, and I think the humidifier had lightly coated the tops of the soil with a damp, watery coat. So I didn't water too much, just a couple squirts each.
Here's the group shot of my seedlings on day 7 of veg:
Light measurements from the top of the solo cups (12" below the flouro panel)..this time I measured in Foot Candles and Lux. My meter does both. FC is first, lux is second. The seedlings are getting about 2700 Foot Candles/29,000 Lux (29.00 KilaLux) FYI! You can see "FC" for Foot Candles or "KLux" for KilaLux indicated in the bottom right corner of the meter's LCD Screen:
Also, I wanted to highlight my odor control mechanisms (this is crucial where I live). I have a 3-pronged attack.. Stage 1 - Carbon Filter with inline fan, Stage 2 - Sharper Image Negative Ionizer, Stage 3- Cap Ozone Jr. Stage 2 and 3 are located outside the grow room in the nearby room. They prevent odor from drifting where it isn't welcome if it escapes the grow room. I also have 2 cans of Ona Block Gel. I need to hang one on the grill of my oscillating wall fan.
Stage 1 (Carbon Filter):
Stage 2 (Negative Ionizer):
Stage 3 (Ozone Jr.):
Additionally, here are some random pics of my BlueLab Guardian setup by the sink area with some nutes and my EZ-CLONE machine...I got a bit camera happy today!
Comments Welcome!
legallyflying
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Looking good. Your floru's should be right on top of the plants at this point..or put them under your main bulbs in a day or two. They should be fine. Humidity should be a little higher if you can swing it. You can try hanging a wet towel in front of a fan. If its a nice thick towel, you can hang one end in a bucket of water and it will stay wet till the bucket dries.
How well does your ionizer work? I have been thinking about getting one to cut the smell of nutes and bud. I don't really want to install my carbon filter yet as I am currently keeping my humidity levels in the upper 70's which can really cut down the effectiveness and longevity of the filter.
How well does your ionizer work? I have been thinking about getting one to cut the smell of nutes and bud. I don't really want to install my carbon filter yet as I am currently keeping my humidity levels in the upper 70's which can really cut down the effectiveness and longevity of the filter.
xivex
Active Member
Thanks for the tips bro! I wondered if they needed to be moved a tad closer to the lights today also...but I thought the leaves looked a shade light green and I didn't want to stress them too much so I left it at 12". I'll get something to stick under the box tomorrow or so and see if I can't raise it up a few more inches. I think I will try to gradually move it up to about 6" from the panel. Maybe 2 inches per day over 3 days or so. What do you think? I don't want to put them under the mH just yet. I want to wait about another week. Then move em under it. Is that being overly cautious? I just don't want to light stress them or burn em from too much too soon. Seems like 2700 FC of light should be plenty for 1 week old seedlings right? By the way, at what point do I stop calling them seedlings and say they are in "vegetative growth" now? 2 weeks or so?
As for humidity its hard to get it up higher right now. I cranked up the humidifier to 65% (it was set at 55%). I will see if I can't get the humidity higher.
The towel tip seems very intriguing. I might just try that...doesn't it create a big ass mess tho dripping all over the floor from being wet?
The negative ionizer works well. You have to clean it with warm water and what not, but its pretty maintenance free. My 3-stage odor control plan eliminates anything smelly in my opinion... I don't smell anything except clean air.
Thanks bro,
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legallyflying
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most people put there plants about 3" from CFL's. 29k lux is fine but 40k luz is approaching optimal. Yellow leaves doesn't generally indicate heat stress, cupped leaves and whitish discoloration is light stress. I would your plant in the seedling category for sure. I'm not a soil guy so seek other advice, but I would start giving them some macro nutrients. A little nitrogen should take out the yellow pretty quickly. Perhaps just foliar feed them once a day before the lights come off. That way if they don't like it, you won't have the nutes in the soil mixture.
It would also be wise to inoculate the soil at this time to fight off bad microbes, increase nutrient uptake and nutrient fixation rates.
About the towel, it would be hanging over the bucket so no drips or mess.
did you see my pics? Those are 3 week old clones...
It would also be wise to inoculate the soil at this time to fight off bad microbes, increase nutrient uptake and nutrient fixation rates.
About the towel, it would be hanging over the bucket so no drips or mess.
did you see my pics? Those are 3 week old clones...
xivex
Active Member
Yeah, I saw your pics! Badass growth, super dense!
Nice work. OK, per your advice I moved them up some today...I raised em up to about 6" away from the lamps (to the top of the solo cup rim)..so the taller ones may very well be 3-4" away from the flouro lamps now. My meter measured it around 32,000 Lux. I also upped the humidity dial on the humidifier and added a fan to help disperse it amongst the seedlings. Plus, the fan should help with stem growth from a gentle breeze. I'll check on the humidity levels tomorrow (min/max) and think about the towel!
What do you recommend I innoculate the soil with? Light Warrior already has humic acid and myco, and when I transplant them in another week or two they will go into my soil mixture which has extra humic acid, dolomite lime, azomite, and tons of extra soluble Mycorrhyzae.
I'm all ears!!
Comments welcome!
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legallyflying
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I'm not familiar with the soil nute lines, but if it has myco in it your good to go.
legallyflying
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Hey man, I looked closely at your pictures.... make sure you always calibrate that yellow milwaukie ph meter. aka.. the raging piece of shit. Well, that is what I used to call mine till I finally got so fed up I smashed it with my mini sledge hammer.
Again, not a huge deal as your in soil. But just make sure to calibrate every time.
Again, not a huge deal as your in soil. But just make sure to calibrate every time.
xivex
Active Member
Yeah I hear ya! The blueLab Guardian above it on the wall is what I use now, that Milwaukee meter is INDEED a POS! I have run into problems with it already, thus the reason for the switch to the cadillac of ph monitoring: the guardian!Hey man, I looked closely at your pictures.... make sure you always calibrate that yellow milwaukie ph meter. aka.. the raging piece of shit. Well, that is what I used to call mine till I finally got so fed up I smashed it with my mini sledge hammer.
Again, not a huge deal as your in soil. But just make sure to calibrate every time.
Thanks,
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legallyflying
Well-Known Member
Cool. hate to see someone fuck themselves up because of some garbage piece of hardware. I knew from day one that that thing was going to suck..and low and behold, it did.
The guardian is pretty pimp for sure! If my grow did need to be covert because of kids I would love to have a real time sensor on the wall.
The guardian is pretty pimp for sure! If my grow did need to be covert because of kids I would love to have a real time sensor on the wall.
xivex
Active Member
October 31, 2010:
The humidity was a bit better today. My hygrometer measured max of 72% and min of 55% for the last 24 hours. Thats a bit higher humidity and more along what I'm looking for. I'd love it if I could get it to about 65% and just lock it there for right now. I've lowered my temps down to 70 to to help offset the Vapor Pressure Deficit (see my journal entry here: All About VPD! ). So I'm getting closer to the optimal temp/humidity environment spoken of in Urban Garden's VPD article.
Ok so this morning I went in to check on the babies. Moved them up to 3" away from the flouro panel. Used my meter to check the luminosity at this distance. It registered 46,000 Lux. Should be plenty. I think I will be moving them to the 2-400w Hortilux Blue mH's in the next week.
I watered again using plain RO water with Cal-Mag+ and Silicate. They seemed like they got a bit dry overnight as one of them was slightly wilted..plus the tops of the soil looked quite dry. So I gave them a good spraying with my water. Despite this, they seemed to be growing their second set of true leaves. All looked good, albeit slightly light green, could use a bit of N to darken them back up somewhat.
Tomorrow I will feed for the second time. I reviewed the Fox Farm's feeding chart and it recommends only Big Bloom for the first 2 weeks, and only once a week. I'll give a bit stronger dosage this time though. I might also try to foliar feed some liquid fish (5-1-1) too. We will see.
Should I space out the Big Bloom and Liquid Fish so they are on seperate days or would it matter if I soil drenched Big Bloom and gave a very light, diluted solution of Liquid Fish foliarly on the same day?
Also, I'm planning on adding some soluble Mycorrhyzae spores into my feed solution tomorrow. Will try inoculate the soil as "legallyflying" recommended. I've got some Plant Success soluble Myco spores leftover that I didn't use up from my super soil mixture. I'll add a small amount into my watering tomorrow! Thanks for the tip legallyflying!
Comments Welcome!
The humidity was a bit better today. My hygrometer measured max of 72% and min of 55% for the last 24 hours. Thats a bit higher humidity and more along what I'm looking for. I'd love it if I could get it to about 65% and just lock it there for right now. I've lowered my temps down to 70 to to help offset the Vapor Pressure Deficit (see my journal entry here: All About VPD! ). So I'm getting closer to the optimal temp/humidity environment spoken of in Urban Garden's VPD article.
Ok so this morning I went in to check on the babies. Moved them up to 3" away from the flouro panel. Used my meter to check the luminosity at this distance. It registered 46,000 Lux. Should be plenty. I think I will be moving them to the 2-400w Hortilux Blue mH's in the next week.
I watered again using plain RO water with Cal-Mag+ and Silicate. They seemed like they got a bit dry overnight as one of them was slightly wilted..plus the tops of the soil looked quite dry. So I gave them a good spraying with my water. Despite this, they seemed to be growing their second set of true leaves. All looked good, albeit slightly light green, could use a bit of N to darken them back up somewhat.
Tomorrow I will feed for the second time. I reviewed the Fox Farm's feeding chart and it recommends only Big Bloom for the first 2 weeks, and only once a week. I'll give a bit stronger dosage this time though. I might also try to foliar feed some liquid fish (5-1-1) too. We will see.
Should I space out the Big Bloom and Liquid Fish so they are on seperate days or would it matter if I soil drenched Big Bloom and gave a very light, diluted solution of Liquid Fish foliarly on the same day?
Also, I'm planning on adding some soluble Mycorrhyzae spores into my feed solution tomorrow. Will try inoculate the soil as "legallyflying" recommended. I've got some Plant Success soluble Myco spores leftover that I didn't use up from my super soil mixture. I'll add a small amount into my watering tomorrow! Thanks for the tip legallyflying!
Comments Welcome!
xivex
Active Member
November 1, 2010:
The seelings were droopy and sad looking today. All of them looked overwatered. I guess I watered a tad too much the other day as the soil was still moist looking and the plants had droopy sets of first leaves, hanging down sadly. Looked like too much water imho...
Also, I noticed that the new growth on several of them had purple hues and looked stunted. Additionally, several of their stems had purpled up. Isn't this a sign of Phosphorous (P) deficiency in plants? I think it is...please chime in if you know something about this! Thanks!
So following Legallyflying's advice I felt like I needed to feed some macro nutes (NPK) for the first time (especially since Light Warrior is a cool soil without much nutrients and requires early feeding as opposed to FFOF). However, I was worried about the soil still being wet and the seedlings looking droopy and didn't want to make it much worse...so here's what I did to combat the overwater/droopiness/purple'ing of the seedlings:
1) Raised the temperature to 75 from 69.
2) Lowered the humidity from 65% to 50%
I'm hoping these two help evaporate any excess moisture in the soil and dry them out a bit so they are less droopy.
3) Poked two 4" holes (using a pencil) in each seedlings soil. Added 1/2 teaspoon Mycorrhyzae spores (Plant Success Myco) into each seedling's cup. Covered it back up and watered it in using the feed solution (see below).
4) Mixed up a feed solution in my 2L Solo Sprayer (should have been using this to start with instead of the stupid squirt bottle. It has a telescoping wand and is way easier to water with..
http://www.solousa.com/store/flypage/handheld_sprayers/420_.html
PS I love how its labeled the "420" model sprayer..LOL! Wonder if they have a clue..
Feed Solution:
6.5 pH / 650 ppm
2L RO Water
1/4 tsp Grow Big (6-4-4) (This is my MACRO NUTES Veg Growth Feed)
1 tsp Root 66
1 Tbsp Big Bloom (0.01-0.3-0.7)
This will be their second feeding. Its definitely due, and despite the Fox Farm's feed chart recommending you not start feeding grow big until week 3, I am going to start feeding it this week due to the purpling.
Because they were still moist and seemed overwatered and undernourished, I didn't want to use give them tons of water, so I just gave them each a couple quick squirts and figured they should dry out more in a day or so and I can feed again if they still look undernourished.
What do you all think of this? Whats up with the purpling, is that "P" Deficiency from not enough macro nutes? Did I take the correct course of action here? What would you do?
Thanks everyone!!
COMMENTS WELCOME!
The seelings were droopy and sad looking today. All of them looked overwatered. I guess I watered a tad too much the other day as the soil was still moist looking and the plants had droopy sets of first leaves, hanging down sadly. Looked like too much water imho...
Also, I noticed that the new growth on several of them had purple hues and looked stunted. Additionally, several of their stems had purpled up. Isn't this a sign of Phosphorous (P) deficiency in plants? I think it is...please chime in if you know something about this! Thanks!
So following Legallyflying's advice I felt like I needed to feed some macro nutes (NPK) for the first time (especially since Light Warrior is a cool soil without much nutrients and requires early feeding as opposed to FFOF). However, I was worried about the soil still being wet and the seedlings looking droopy and didn't want to make it much worse...so here's what I did to combat the overwater/droopiness/purple'ing of the seedlings:
1) Raised the temperature to 75 from 69.
2) Lowered the humidity from 65% to 50%
I'm hoping these two help evaporate any excess moisture in the soil and dry them out a bit so they are less droopy.
3) Poked two 4" holes (using a pencil) in each seedlings soil. Added 1/2 teaspoon Mycorrhyzae spores (Plant Success Myco) into each seedling's cup. Covered it back up and watered it in using the feed solution (see below).
4) Mixed up a feed solution in my 2L Solo Sprayer (should have been using this to start with instead of the stupid squirt bottle. It has a telescoping wand and is way easier to water with..
http://www.solousa.com/store/flypage/handheld_sprayers/420_.html
PS I love how its labeled the "420" model sprayer..LOL! Wonder if they have a clue..
Feed Solution:
6.5 pH / 650 ppm
2L RO Water
1/4 tsp Grow Big (6-4-4) (This is my MACRO NUTES Veg Growth Feed)
1 tsp Root 66
1 Tbsp Big Bloom (0.01-0.3-0.7)
This will be their second feeding. Its definitely due, and despite the Fox Farm's feed chart recommending you not start feeding grow big until week 3, I am going to start feeding it this week due to the purpling.
Because they were still moist and seemed overwatered and undernourished, I didn't want to use give them tons of water, so I just gave them each a couple quick squirts and figured they should dry out more in a day or so and I can feed again if they still look undernourished.
What do you all think of this? Whats up with the purpling, is that "P" Deficiency from not enough macro nutes? Did I take the correct course of action here? What would you do?
Thanks everyone!!
COMMENTS WELCOME!
legallyflying
Well-Known Member
sent you mail. yeah, that seems like the right action to me. You should ahve started feeding them the first week!!!
I was soooo worried about burning my plants, I under fed them by a shit load. The purped up and started showing all kinds of micro deficiency. If your PH is good and your plants are showing signs of deficiency...its time to feed.
I was soooo worried about burning my plants, I under fed them by a shit load. The purped up and started showing all kinds of micro deficiency. If your PH is good and your plants are showing signs of deficiency...its time to feed.
xivex
Active Member
November 1, 2010 (Part 2):
OK, here's what I've done to try to correct the emerging deficiency problems:
Foliar Fed the seedlings misting them all over with this feed solution:
1L RO Water
pH 6.5 / 150 ppm
1/8 tsp Grow Big
1 drop SuperThrive
I also setup the flouro panel on the timer and set it to run an 18/6 schedule. So tonight will be the first dark period for these babies! No more 24/0. Hurray! Go GO Roots!
I'll post some pictures tomorrow to show how they have reacted to these changes!
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OK, here's what I've done to try to correct the emerging deficiency problems:
Foliar Fed the seedlings misting them all over with this feed solution:
1L RO Water
pH 6.5 / 150 ppm
1/8 tsp Grow Big
1 drop SuperThrive
I also setup the flouro panel on the timer and set it to run an 18/6 schedule. So tonight will be the first dark period for these babies! No more 24/0. Hurray! Go GO Roots!
I'll post some pictures tomorrow to show how they have reacted to these changes!
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Illumination
New Member
get some dynagro foliage pro and kiss deficiencies good bye...hope it helps
Namaste'
Namaste'
xivex
Active Member
Yeah, unfortunately all I have right now is the Fox Farms line. I'm trying to get some House & Garden, but my local shop is having a time trying to get on HW's distributorship, blah blah, taking forever..get some dynagro foliage pro and kiss deficiencies good bye...hope it helps
Namaste'
Stuck with Fox Farms for now sadly... as I'm not interested in buying another line unless its H&G at this point. Its what I'd want to buy if I was gonna replace the entire line.
Thanks man! Glad to have ya, stop by often, I could use some help!!Beautiful set-up brotha.
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Illumination
New Member
Well it is only 20 or less a quart and has everything in it...just sayingYeah, unfortunately all I have right now is the Fox Farms line. I'm trying to get some House & Garden, but my local shop is having a time trying to get on HW's distributorship, blah blah, taking forever..
Stuck with Fox Farms for now sadly... as I'm not interested in buying another line unless its H&G at this point. Its what I'd want to buy if I was gonna replace the entire line.
Thanks man! Glad to have ya, stop by often, I could use some help!!
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Namaste'