First Grow - Pay No Mind to the Street Light in My Closet

aliasofmike

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Evening rollitup! I've visited your forum for a few months now, as I've looked for seeds, as I've decided my equipment, as I've monitored my plants, and the hook is surely set. Now, as I've come to greatly appreciate the helpfulness of reading grow journals of all shades and qualities, I've decided to 'throw down'.
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Eurekabis

The set
: Budding naturalist yearning for the life-breathing spirit moves to the outskirts of the city to shorten the commute to his newish post-college job. He misses the birds trees and fresh air. However inspired, lacks motivation. But aha! friendly entheogens are doubly attractors. So the slow spiral begins, escape velocity TBD.

The setting
: Somewhat crappy apartment, but with extra closet space, obliging roommate, and MIA landlord.

The cultivate(d) philosophy: Grow with love and care. Use what is available, be flexible, react quickly, read a lot, follow anxiety to proaction and/or security.

After much researching, waxing and waning, soil is the trial medium and 400w HPS with electronic ballast the trial luminousity. First is purchased ten seeds of White Rhino, an absolute favorite among the Aspiring's friends, although he does prefer the cerebral sativas (perhaps we will discover a miraculous phenotype, notions of breeding).

Germination: Four of the seeds are selected for the proverbial first basket of eggs. They are placed on a plate on top of and underneath wet brown paper towels, all inside a plastic bag (some ventilation). All the water used on this grow, unless otherwise mentioned, is tap water left uncovered for 3 days to evaporate chlorine. One seed cracked after two days, but were left near an open window and were probably 40-50 degrees f. Moved to electric blanket/top of radiator. Quickly all four seeds sprouted healthy ~1" taproots, and were placed into wet soil (Miracle Grow organic* w/ half perlite)

Seedlings: The four seedlings were placed into plastic cups with holes at the bottom, first 1/2 inch or so - clay pebbles, the soil mixture to fill. They are placed approximately 2 feet away from the light under 24, then quickly 18/6 light schedule.

Grow Room: Two stands were build for cement mixing trays purchased at Home DePot out of 1x3 and wood screws. Originally this idea was to allow placement of water resevoir underneath for pump/drainage of a hydro setup. They work well but keep plants probably too close to the light, and I have since removed the stands and aim to find a replacement for the trays (only hold two pots each). Over the course of the grow, I slowly covered the walls and doorway with mylar, affixed with thumbtacks and duct tape (it still falls down sometimes). I've used various fans but am now working with a small desk fan that is clipped to a small shelf in the back. Before entering flowering, I purchased an air purifier (ozone generation is off, but there just in case things get really stinky). As well, purchased a small heater/radiator from NewEgg, as the closet gets too cold when the light is off, and probably caused slowed growth and perhaps K lockout/red stems (comments welcome). The closet is not ideal and kind of looks like this:
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The light hangs from the rod, but it was too far forward so I've now rigged it to be closer to the middle. It hangs vertically without reflector. I think this plays into my problems with lighting distance.

Vegetation: Once it was clear that the plants had taken their full of the small solo cups, I transferred them to large (5 gallon?) clay pots with the same soil mixutre and clay pebbles at the bottom. The front plants at this point were almost certianly too close to the light, and although they showed no signs of burning, might have been having problems keeping water in the leaves. All the same, they chugged away for at least a month and a half. Trimming off some lower leaves on my front right plant (Dale), I accidentally cut off a healthy branch w/ bud site. I tried to save it by putting it into soil. More on this later. The plants began to show premature sexual characteristics and asymmetrical branching. Three females with tiny white pistils (Kumar on the front left, Dale and Saul on the front and back right respectively), and one male (Harold on the back left). /Note, positions refer to the series of pictures on this post/

Clones
: At this point I ordered some Olivia's Cloning Gel, and also so Orange derived pest spray and a few kinds of nutrients (I'll go over this later). I cut two clones from each female, except for the Dale whom I maimed earlier, and only spared one. I cut and immediately dipped them into Olivia's, then into moist pre-holed soil mixture. Once prepped, I put them into my makeshift cloner under a salvaged two bulb two foot fluorescent fixture (approximately 6-8 inches away), and spritzed them intermittently (3-7 times a day). As you'll see from the pictures, I left the clones with a relatively large amount of leaf matter, as I felt it a shame to waste those solar panels. However, as time went on I more recognized by experiment and comparison, that it was doing no good. Unfortunately, I had another trimming accident (I knew better) and beheaded one of my healthier clones. I witnessed its tiny little root forming, which only increased my dismay and self-loathing. I re-gelled it and stuck it back in...we'll call her Low-Rider if she survives.

Flowering: Well this has only been a week. The plants are now on the ground and the light is better positioned with lots of headroom. More pistils are coming out, and strangely some of the older ones have turned reddish brown already. My hopes are high!

Problems: Trying to stay one step ahead of heat stress, yes, but otherwise...

1) In the beginning, my adolescent seedlings were getting what I determined to be fungus in relatively small patches. I surmised I was overwatering and drastically under-ventilating. I trimmed frugally, started ventilating, and my measures were successful.

2) Aphids? Not sure what these guys are/were. They looked like slightly large fruit flies, and were disconcerting. Strong air flow seemed to do a number, along with heat from the lamps and appropriately spaced watering. I recently discovered a pile of the dead on the transformer, and one or two flying around my clones. These will need to be dealt with, although again, no menacing vibes. Perhaps they're just feeding on the soil.

3) First it appeared to be nitrogen deficiency, generally just yellowing of the lower leaves. This encouraged me to buy some fertilizer as my soil was probably not so fertile any longer. However, the stems have always been red. Around when I switched to flowering (and note things have been getting colder especially with the light off 12 hours), I've noticed a yellow leaf tips/edges (progressing to spots) with necrosis. They curl under, then over into death. I've decided its K deficiency, perhaps exacerbated by the cold temps, but its been pointed out that it might be Mg as well. I will post close up pics soon as this interests me. For now, I've fertilized and added the heater, hopefully things are under control.

*Miracle Grow - This is a definite area for improvement. Time-release/food for two months sounds both dubious and appealing, but is really just hard to gauge and therefor BAD.

Pictures (both past and present) to be posted soon.
Updates forthcoming.

Please, comment your heart out.

Peace.
 

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cackpircings

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Your plants look good dude. Since you are doing dirt you can get ph strips from your local hardware store. Try to get a ppm checker, start your plants out at half the fertilizer recommended. I think your grow is going to turn out nice
 

aliasofmike

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Glad for the reassurance. I generally run a bit high on the anxiety scale, but things are doing well.
I'm definitely going to grab some pH testers (I have one but its toy-grade at best). I've started using nutrients ("Peace of Mind All-Purpose 5-5-5 with some other cool stuff"), half strength twice a week apart, I think they can take it and looks good so far. I also have been using some Synergy organic plant stimulant. I have other supplies but I'm gonna wait to play around.

Back to the journal:
I had to leave for 3 days and left my roommate with some basic instructions (spritz the clones, see something scary call me). It was bad to leave the clones so early because they are looking dry and depressed. Oh well I can still recover half at least, I'm curious about Saul's genetics (:joint:). The one in the back middle was from my accidental snip long ago, trying to play God here or just get practice in...actually maybe its denial. And the front right one I murdered in stoned cold blood. How often should I be watering the clones' soil?

As for the now-flowering room, had to do a tiny bit of trimming, but it was just carry-over from problems i think I've fixed. The newest growth looks better than ever and finally no redness in the stem. They seem to be drying out rather quickly, but I'll water them tonight once the lights go off. Also, as they weren't getting turned for a few days, I think I've confirmed that keeping them rotating is important. You'll notice they are on the floor now...might need to move the light soon...or now.
 

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aliasofmike

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These 4 pictures (and the 20 blurry ones not posted) are from the 10th of December

I'm beginning to reconsider my earlier accusations and suspicions of 'slow growth'

You be the judge!
 

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john do

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2 slow is my opinion switch 2 fox farm ocean forest and there line of nutes u can never go wrong with the fox
 

aliasofmike

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Yeah, I did talk of this earlier. I hadn't fertilized AT ALL until just a week ago and it really seems to have helped. Fox Farm looked good to me (although I do like this Peace of Mind stuff so far). Thanks john.
 

aliasofmike

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Update: The flowering plants look great. The seem to have been mostly cured by the fertilizer, still slightly yellow along the edges and tips even on the new growth. I moved them a bit further from the light. I'm going to wait it out before I make another move. Small buds are forming, very delicate and nice looking :D. My FIM'ing attempt didn't quite work out like I planned. Not sure even what it was supposed to achieve, but there's plenty of buds now in prime competition for the topmost spot. No pictures today, lights are off.

Cloner: My clones are doing alright, I've fabricated a cloner which is pictured below. However, when the two containers are on top of each other, there is not enough air flow, and it gets too hot. I think that is what has caused the further damage/slow recovery of the clones. As well, I can only hope they are rooting. Its yellow on the tips, and not just the older growth, yellow even to orange. I was reading about different ways heat stress could manifest itself, particularly if the leaves are getting light to the underside and not enough air circulation, they can't open their stoma, so the lights build up heat within the leaves. Regardless, we'll see how they fare the night. This is a tough call, because they need the lights for heat because at night the room gets cold. I've separated them, as pictured, and also added a fan, but it might be too much. I lowered the lights a bit. If this turns out to be too cold, I will shut off the fan. If that is still not enough, I will take out half the cfls and put the containers back together again, adding more of an opening for ventilation at the top (before i had almost none).

Call me stupid, but please be specific
 

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aliasofmike

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My sweet fems are doing wonderful in flowering. I'm a bit concerned about them, the leaves are curling under a bit, and still some yellow tips and edges...but I think that its either residual problems from K or Mg deficiency, or just a bit of heat stress from the light.

Saul's Top Bud:
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guess I need to use a different service to get higher res imbedded images...
I also have a gallery there now with some higher res pics from today.

Clones!!!!

My clones are having troubles, and I have been messing with things, but I don't really know what's going on. Heat stress seems to be the only obvious choice. As well, I can only hope they are rooting...ideas? Too much light?
 

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cackpircings

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They are looking great man! I love how small your flowering them. I just did this with three of my new plants.
 

aliasofmike

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Yeah they really should be bigger given they are at least two months old!

I just trimmed them up a lot last night. Fighting some thrips, but I think they're beat (might have something to do with my clone troubles as well). I have a lot of light surface that's not being used, I'm thinking of tying up a few of the branches to get full light on all the bud sites. I will take pictures again soon.

My clones are now in little personal domes. Only four bulbs 14w each, but now closer to the plants, I'm hoping their backs will straighten soon!
 

aliasofmike

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Alright, addressed a thrip problem (I think). Spotted death, several leaves were metallic, and I noticed bits of white on their leaves. Anyway I sprayed with some orange oil, and then washed them off a few times. Beforehand, I trimmed for the first time; a lot of material was cut. I think they look very happy about it, and there is a lot of light getting to bud sites. I still turn them regularly, but I am thinking of tying them off to get more light. Saul with the convex leaftops I might trim still more, although he's never been perky like the other two. Too much heat as it gets right level with the light.

The clones are now in their little bubbles, sprayed about 3 times a day, soil is still moist from last week. I took out 4 of 8 bulbs and lowered the fixture. I think they will now be able to straighten up. Still hoping one each will live...
 

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aliasofmike

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I think I confirmed a thrip problem now with a distinctly yellowing leaf. But its something I believe I have well under control.

The other problem I think is well determined is too low humidity. This (I think) is causing the curled in leaves on Saul, and the slight yellowing on the tips of otherwise healthy leaves. Its winter, its dry, no surprise. Now the question is do I buy a humidifier? Make one? Just hope they pull through?

I think they'll do alright but growth is slow on the buds which are maturing quickly.

Pictures are of the clones again, worked on it a bit tonight...they are doing somewhat better actually. Color and stiffness is returning.
 

aliasofmike

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My grls are in flowering right now, 3rd week almost up.

Anyone who is reading this, what is up with the dark, hard bits inside some of the browner buds. I know its not rot, could it be from thrips?? (see picture labeled SaulBadBud, first one uploaded)

The humidity is low, but I've been trying to vent the room a bit less, and spray them with seltzer often, to keep the moisture and CO2 high. Maybe its dumb but you be the judge.

If you look closely, you can see some interesting attempts at training...

Dale is the girl in the back right, he's SO thick growing. I've extensively trimmed but still bushy. I'm thinking Kumar has the best proportions for subsequent grows.

Otherwise, they are looking so good!

The clones are starting to recover well, they'll have to keep chugging along. Not sure where their futures lie, I want to redo my flowering set-up before they go in. So I might start a couple from seed to join them under cfls until I set up my next flower. I'm think hexagonal bee cell vertical scrog. Ambitious, nay?
 

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aliasofmike

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4 weeks of flowering completed

plants have hardly stretch, buds are not very large.

they are recovering from a bit of underwatering.

finally humidifier running, hopefully with that and some more nutes they will be able to make the best out of what they've got left.


down to three clones. they've been going at it for almost a month now. I'm going to veg them in the flowering room now during the day where it is warm and humid.

Saul is the lanky one and I've got no persistence of her genes. any hints on cloning or keeping a plant alive after harvest?
 

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indianaman

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i don't know why your buds aren't growing in fast. maybe you have a sativa, they take an extra month sometimes i've heard. my light's so close to the top of my plants it's burned them a few times.
 

aliasofmike

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hmm, yeah it is white rhino from nirvana, but i read its not terribly stabilized, one of mine at least seems like a more sativa phenotype.

might have too small of pots, might be stunted growth in the past because of the cold. maybe I trimmed to often and they are shocked. here's to hoping though. I've paid in plenty of electricity it would be nice to get at least that in bud back.

regardless, it will be a sweet thing to smoke plants I have lovingly cared for myself.
 

aliasofmike

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you be the judge, hoping against hope they keep growing. I think I've finally got the conditions good, but past mistakes are all still present in one form or another. Getting gloriously close!

clones are still...hanging on. or rather, I'm still hanging onto the clones.

getting ready for their closeups :weed:
 

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