First Grow - need some help

ajs85

Member
Hello there everybody,
Im new here and have just started my first grow. Like a stereotypical stoner I didnt mark the day I started germinating and just basically flew by the seat of my pants adding what I think it needed (I germinated 6 seeds, four sprouted, all in the same large pot, using a potting soil I got from a friend who grows - I plan to move them later when to individual pots when I get some lights). I am guessing they are about two weeks old but they look considerably younger than most of the two-week-old plants ive seen posted here. They look kind of like the runts in the "1st grow" thread (i cant take pictures, my camera charger has disappeared into the netherworld).

Anyways, I have a few problems. The friend who gave me the seeds and potting soil told me to keep it in 24 hours of light until its big enough to flowers. I have been keeping it outside in the warm sun or in the windowsill during the day and at night I place them in a closet on the top shelf about 6" away from a regular ol' (i think 60 watt?) lamp bulb. This closet will soon be converted into my grow room when I get my lights in. Ventillation consists of the cracked open closet door with one air pump sucking air out.

They all looked relatively good, besides growing kind of slowly, but here where I ran into a problem - I read some grow guides online and alot of them recommended that I use a 15-30-15 fertilizer with trace minerals so I went out and bought Miracle Gro Patio which one guide suggested. I waited until the plant needed water (i havnt been following a watering schedule, just waiting until the soil has felt dry like a typical houseplant) and added maybe 4 teaspoons of miracle gro (it is a big pot) spread about the pot, and then watered the plants. That was this morning. After coming home from work I found that one plant has grown considerably (it used to be the 2nd smallest) and the other ones that were taller have become "top-heavy". If I just leave them standing there the leaves on top will just fall straight down into the soil, the top of the plant facing the soil. I have propped up the plants the best I could with a few improv items (toothpicks, hehe) but im still worried about them. They are still green and look very healthy though.

So, to sum it all up, heres what I would like to know.
Did I ruin/kill my plants? Should I transplant them?
Should I just use the regular day/night cycle of my windowsill/outside until I want it to flower or should I keep doing the closet thing on this batch (I doubt ill be able to afford the lights by the time these plants are done)?
Also my plants seem like they are not developing roots like they should. Maybe its just too soon.
Ill post pics when I can. Thanks in advance for everyone's help!
 
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Illegal Smile

Guest
Hello there everybody,
Im new here and have just started my first grow. Like a stereotypical stoner I didnt mark the day I started germinating and just basically flew by the seat of my pants adding what I think it needed (I germinated 6 seeds, four sprouted, all in the same large pot, using a potting soil I got from a friend who grows - I plan to move them later when to individual pots when I get some lights). I am guessing they are about two weeks old but they look considerably younger than most of the two-week-old plants ive seen posted here. They look kind of like the runts in the "1st grow" thread (i cant take pictures, my camera charger has disappeared into the netherworld).

Anyways, I have a few problems. The friend who gave me the seeds and potting soil told me to keep it in 24 hours of light until its big enough to flowers. I have been keeping it outside in the warm sun or in the windowsill during the day and at night I place them in a closet on the top shelf about 6" away from a regular ol' (i think 60 watt?) lamp bulb. This closet will soon be converted into my grow room when I get my lights in. Ventillation consists of the cracked open closet door with one air pump sucking air out.

They all looked relatively good, besides growing kind of slowly, but here where I ran into a problem - I read some grow guides online and alot of them recommended that I use a 15-30-15 fertilizer with trace minerals so I went out and bought Miracle Gro Patio which one guide suggested. I waited until the plant needed water (i havnt been following a watering schedule, just waiting until the soil has felt dry like a typical houseplant) and added maybe 4 teaspoons of miracle gro (it is a big pot) spread about the pot, and then watered the plants. That was this morning. After coming home from work I found that one plant has grown considerably (it used to be the 2nd smallest) and the other ones that were taller have become "top-heavy". If I just leave them standing there the leaves on top will just fall straight down into the soil, the top of the plant facing the soil. I have propped up the plants the best I could with a few improv items (toothpicks, hehe) but im still worried about them. They are still green and look very healthy though.

So, to sum it all up, heres what I would like to know.
Did I ruin/kill my plants? Should I transplant them?
Should I just use the regular day/night cycle of my windowsill/outside until I want it to flower or should I keep doing the closet thing on this batch (I doubt ill be able to afford the lights by the time these plants are done)?
Also my plants seem like they are not developing roots like they should. Maybe its just too soon.
Ill post pics when I can. Thanks in advance for everyone's help!

I don't even grow in soil but I think you should transplant and if you want to veg correctly you need some real light 24 hrs, not a 60w incandescent. If you can do both the plants will probably survive.
 

ajs85

Member
Alright, thanks. I will buy the lights tomorrow or the next day but transplanting might be a little more difficult, they are still small and are not rooting very well. Any way I could flush it out or something?

I don't even grow in soil but I think you should transplant and if you want to veg correctly you need some real light 24 hrs, not a 60w incandescent. If you can do both the plants will probably survive.
 

ajs85

Member
Aaah! I just checked on them and two of them are dying (the leaves still looked fine, but the stem had withered away to practically nothing), and one of them, the biggest one, looks like its on the same path, although I did some emergency surgery and transferred that one and another one that looks unharmed (its one of the smaller ones) into other pots. Tomorrow i plan to buy some lights and use a closet while I work on building a grow-shelf. From four plants down to two... hope these survive... sigh..
 

pokesalotasmot

Well-Known Member
Your plants are way to small to feed them with ANY kind of fertilizer. Transplanting them is NOT necessary at this stage, if anything, it'll stress them even more. You need to flush the soil out with some good plain ph'ed water. Two - three times the size of the pot. (1 gallon pot, flush with 2-3 gallons.)

Also why are you trying to give the plant 24 hour light? They don't see that in nature, so why impose that upon them? Save yourself the electicity and keep that light bulb turned off. If you insist on 24 hour light, change the bulb to a couple of 6500k ~23 watt cfl bulbs.
 

ajs85

Member
RIU?? Also, I think I had to transplant them or they would have all died. A wash would have definitely killed them, they are way too delicate to survive a wash. Also about the 24 hours of light.. everywhere I read about growing indoors, its hammered into the readers' head that the plant needs 24 hours of light until you want it to flower. Can I just let it chill by the window getting some nice sunlight and experience the natural cycle? That was my original idea before reading about it.
welcom to RIU...
 

pokesalotasmot

Well-Known Member
RIU?? Also, I think I had to transplant them or they would have all died. A wash would have definitely killed them, they are way too delicate to survive a wash. Also about the 24 hours of light.. everywhere I read about growing indoors, its hammered into the readers' head that the plant needs 24 hours of light until you want it to flower. Can I just let it chill by the window getting some nice sunlight and experience the natural cycle? That was my original idea before reading about it.
RIU = Roll it up

If your plants are too delicate for flushing, then you're probably fvcked. At this point, you might be right in transplanting them, it's probably the lesser of two evils. At least that way they won't be trying to grow in soil thats loaded with ferts.

24 hour lighting has its uses, don't get me wrong. Its usually reserved for clones though, for the first week or two of their lives. Anything over and above that is generally considered to be a waste of electricity for a negligable difference in the plant.
 

ajs85

Member
Thanks. I did transplant the plants shortly after I noticed they were dying. They have been in their new pot for about 12 hours and they look a little better.

RIU = Roll it up

If your plants are too delicate for flushing, then you're probably fvcked. At this point, you might be right in transplanting them, it's probably the lesser of two evils. At least that way they won't be trying to grow in soil thats loaded with ferts.

24 hour lighting has its uses, don't get me wrong. Its usually reserved for clones though, for the first week or two of their lives. Anything over and above that is generally considered to be a waste of electricity for a negligable difference in the plant.
 

ajs85

Member
Oh yeah - on the light cycle - the regular day/night cycle seemed to make perfect sense to me, but every guide ive ever read has said 24 hours of light in the vegetative state.
My plants were beautiful until I tried this damned 24 hour cycle with my crappy closet bulb.
So tomorrow im turning back to the sun and nature as my guide and letting it grow how it wants.
Thanks. I did transplant the plants shortly after I noticed they were dying. They have been in their new pot for about 12 hours and they look a little better.
 

ajs85

Member
Well hallelujah, praise the lord!! The transplant was a success!! Looks like two of 'em (possibly three - the biggest one looks like its popping back up!) forgot to mention in my first post - they are - two purple kush plants and two unidentified seeds I got from some schwag i found walking through the ghetto, haha. Im not sure if there is now only one kush or one mystery plant, but I wanted to see if there was a difference in the bud or plant quality with one nice strain, and one crappy mystery sidewalk-schwag.

So, onto plan B:
let nature do its work on these three plants (hopefully getting a mother big enough to clone with so I can learn to do that and eventually grow many plants at once - Theres an entire empty basement and two empty bedrooms for grow space at my disposal) and in the meantime procure the necessary supplies and lighting to do this properly.
 
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