First Grow BB Blue Cheese, CH9 Aroma (Organic)

mv400

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I had to harvest Blue Cheese because of my watering mistake. Well I learned a lot during this grow. I started 2 GreenHouse Super lemon Haze, 1 Nirvana Royal Flush and 1 Barney's Farm Honey B. This time I believe will be better...

I dried a piece and smoked it and man what a nice headstone and uplifting too :)... makes me think if smoke is like that now how it would be if finished properly...
 
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2Growbettabud

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Man I got BB Blue Cheese as well and Ive noticed her lower fan leaves like to get brown spots. do you have any Idea about whats going on with her, because I know its not a ph or nute issue since everything is as perfect as it can be, do you think it may just be strain related or what.
 
Fditty00

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Def strain related. I have a 8" goin right now. Everytime i trow it the bottom leaves either yellow, or get brown spots. I have a cfl under it, cause i thought it needed a lil light under her skirt. I also have a mylar cover over the soil. Im using FFOF and Light Warrior. No nutes yets. Im gonna blame genetics cause i dont wanna take blame for my own faults:)
 
DaveCoulier

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2Growbettabud said:
Man I got BB Blue Cheese as well and Ive noticed her lower fan leaves like to get brown spots. do you have any Idea about whats going on with her, because I know its not a ph or nute issue since everything is as perfect as it can be, do you think it may just be strain related or what.
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Fditty00 said:
Def strain related. I have a 8" goin right now. Everytime i trow it the bottom leaves either yellow, or get brown spots. I have a cfl under it, cause i thought it needed a lil light under her skirt. I also have a mylar cover over the soil. Im using FFOF and Light Warrior. No nutes yets. Im gonna blame genetics cause i dont wanna take blame for my own faults:)
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Any time I have gotten yellowing, or brown spots on lower leaves it was either a PH issue, or over-watering.

Some genetics are definitely more sensitive to such things. My 5 nirvana WW all have experienced such symptoms this grow, but my two bagseed indicas haven't had a single problem along the way.

Those designer genetics are just pansies :)
 
mv400

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I haven't given up :) Currently 4 girls are growing happily. It has been 1 week yet. I give them superthrive for now. At my next watering I will start giving nutes as stated in BioBizz's chart. I found 6500 K MH and using that one at the moment. I think it is GE, can't remember at the moment but as soon as I check it I'll let you know. My grow tent has arrived to my country but hasn't been delivered yet. I guess this week I will have the tent. I am thinking about buying carbon filter, cooltube and fan to suck air. I am not sure whether I should put the carbon filter to sucking end or blowing end of the fan.

I feel I am better prepared this time :)
 
Night Claptoman

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sounds good!

you hook the cool tube to the intake of the vent and the carbon filter to the cool tube.
carbon filter eliminate smells by 99%. cool tubes helps you to shorten the distance from the tops and so you get MUCH more effective light. vent is needed to get these two working.
I love mine and I would advice you to get yours as well ;P

Note that you need a cooltube matching the duct from your vent, or higher diameter. The carbon filter should be matched to the vent.
The more ducting you use the more pressure is on the vent and thus the lower the power it produce. Keep the ducting short and straight as possible to allow easy flow.


Also note that carbon filter weight quite a bit. make sure your tent can take it.
 
DaveCoulier

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mv400 said:
I haven't given up :) Currently 4 girls are growing happily. It has been 1 week yet. I give them superthrive for now. At my next watering I will start giving nutes as stated in BioBizz's chart. I found 6500 K MH and using that one at the moment. I think it is GE, can't remember at the moment but as soon as I check it I'll let you know. My grow tent has arrived to my country but hasn't been delivered yet. I guess this week I will have the tent. I am thinking about buying carbon filter, cooltube and fan to suck air. I am not sure whether I should put the carbon filter to sucking end or blowing end of the fan.

I feel I am better prepared this time :)
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I dont know if you're flowering or still in veg, but I can tell you that Bio-Grow doesnt have enough N in it to support your plants in Veg. I did a side by side with it, and was very disappointed with them :(. I think they'll get the job done, but you need to use the Fish-Mix in veg to get enough N.

I also was using a nutrient poor medium, so if you're in FFOF, or any nutrient rich medium, it'll probably get the job done.
 
Night Claptoman

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I'm using bio-grow for over a year now with NO PROBLEMS at all.
it has more than enough N if you go by the chart and if you have N def. you can higher the emount anytime.
I use various different soils and none had any problems.

2 months of veg with bio-grow and alg-a-mic with over 10 plants is enough for me to say that bio-grow has enough N.

Fish mix stinks. phisicly.
 
DaveCoulier

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Night Claptoman said:
I'm using bio-grow for over a year now with NO PROBLEMS at all.
it has more than enough N if you go by the chart and if you have N def. you can higher the emount anytime.
I use various different soils and none had any problems.

2 months of veg with bio-grow and alg-a-mic with over 10 plants is enough for me to say that bio-grow has enough N.

Fish mix stinks. phisicly.
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Im sure you're plants look just fine, but if you havent done a side by side, you might not realize it. Heres a couple pics of my plants with Bio-Bizz vs Fox Farms. My soil is Promix BX amended with 20% compost.

You can mostly ignore the runt in this. It was small before I started the comparison, but you can see how chlorotic it is compared to the FF..

I went with 5ml per liter, and you really shouldnt have to go above the recommended dosage just to get enough N to your plants. If it works for you, Im glad, but in my experience it just isnt enough. I mean 2% N isnt enough for a rapidly growing plant. It'll work, but you'll get better results with more N.

MV400, Ill gladly remove this post/pics if you'd like. I really shouldn't put cluttering up your journal, I just wanted him to see the difference. Plus you can see someone who has already tried Bio-Bizz.
 

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bluemagic

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Good thread here MV, i myself have grown blue cheese but from barnys, its a fantastic smoke and flavour i hope you enjoy as much as me.

Dave iv been using bio grow myself for the last few grows and was happy wit results, i changed over from ionic. I can clearly see the results from you side by side but wot soil you using i like to use allmix to which i add worm castings and blood meal and i jus use bio grow and bloom as supplments as i like to keep it as organic as possible but still need those animo acids, i would also use topmax. Now i am gona try the foxfarm have been pondering it for some time you have just give me that final nudge to make the transition. CHEERZ for the info
 
DaveCoulier

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bluemagic said:
Good thread here MV, i myself have grown blue cheese but from barnys, its a fantastic smoke and flavour i hope you enjoy as much as me.

Dave iv been using bio grow myself for the last few grows and was happy wit results, i changed over from ionic. I can clearly see the results from you side by side but wot soil you using i like to use allmix to which i add worm castings and blood meal and i jus use bio grow and bloom as supplments as i like to keep it as organic as possible but still need those animo acids, i would also use topmax. Now i am gona try the foxfarm have been pondering it for some time you have just give me that final nudge to make the transition. CHEERZ for the info
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I think you missed that I was using Pro-Mix with 20% Compost. The only problem I have with Bio-Bizz is its not the right nute with a soil-less medium with low levels of nutrients.

Now if you're using something like All-Mix like your using it'll get the job done, but more so because its the soil doing most of the feeding, which really is what we should be aiming for in the first place. If were going organic, the liquid nutes should just be our back up plan.

My next grow, Ill be using a more nutrient rich medium amended with more nutrients, and Ill give the bio-bizz another go at it. If I can use less nutes by having a richer medium, Im all for it. Plus we all love organic :)
 
Night Claptoman

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weird. I've been using them and used other fertilizers and biobizz biogrow is quite nice.
the FF might be better, but they aren't available around here.

however, my plants rarely suffer from any N def. as I usually catch it really early.

I'm not claiming bio-grow to be the best fert around, I really don't, but I do claim it is enough for soil grows N-wise.
If I had access to the stuff sold in the US I wouldn't even think of buying biogrow. I'd just get some high N bat guano and very low emount of bloodmeal. Used the bat guano when it was available, the powdered stuff, and it was like a miracle. That shit is pretty cheap too. you can get a 1.5lb bag for 16 bucks and thats a LOT of fertilizer.
If only add-ups needed I would get some liquid guano or go cheap and use diluted urine. or if an air pump and air stone available make tea out of the dry guano.

But I don't have access to all thoes things. The only "good" organic fertilizers around here are biobizz.
I have my hydro plants to compare as for health wise, and my organic ones are not suffering from any N def. (They are however much slower and much weaker)
 
DaveCoulier

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Night Claptoman said:
weird. I've been using them and used other fertilizers and biobizz biogrow is quite nice.
the FF might be better, but they aren't available around here.

however, my plants rarely suffer from any N def. as I usually catch it really early.

I'm not claiming bio-grow to be the best fert around, I really don't, but I do claim it is enough for soil grows N-wise.
If I had access to the stuff sold in the US I wouldn't even think of buying biogrow. I'd just get some high N bat guano and very low emount of bloodmeal. Used the bat guano when it was available, the powdered stuff, and it was like a miracle. That shit is pretty cheap too. you can get a 1.5lb bag for 16 bucks and thats a LOT of fertilizer.
If only add-ups needed I would get some liquid guano or go cheap and use diluted urine. or if an air pump and air stone available make tea out of the dry guano.

But I don't have access to all thoes things. The only "good" organic fertilizers around here are biobizz.
I have my hydro plants to compare as for health wise, and my organic ones are not suffering from any N def. (They are however much slower and much weaker)
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Can you tell me how much guano you add per gallon of soil? Im currently amending my soil with Espoma Garden Tone which is mostly just about every organic fert you can think of mixed together. Ive read conflicting amounts to put in soil, so I probably wouldn't be surprised if I could use more than originally thought.
 
Night Claptoman

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it depends on the product.
with what I had I've mixed a bag of 50 grams in a 30L soil bag to get basic feeding. That with 10% worm castings and 25% perlite. Was a great mix with the pre-fertilized soil I got.
If I was smarter i would have (beside buying much more) used that for seedlings and the first few weeks of veg in a 1L pot and then mix 3 times the emount when replanting to give the plant the extra N.

you can find some super-soil recipes on SubCools sub-forum. he knows his shit very well.


the best way to check, to my opinion, is burning plants. get 1L pots (or less) and mix in each a certain emount of fertilizer. write how much you added. put a clone from the same plant in all pots. whichever has the most and doesn't burn the plant saying how much you should mix in.
I also believe that minor nute burns from amendments during seedling stage isn't anything to worry about. a week later they get the strength (and need) to take much more nutes.
 
DaveCoulier

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Night Claptoman said:
it depends on the product.
with what I had I've mixed a bag of 50 grams in a 30L soil bag to get basic feeding. That with 10% worm castings and 25% perlite. Was a great mix with the pre-fertilized soil I got.
If I was smarter i would have (beside buying much more) used that for seedlings and the first few weeks of veg in a 1L pot and then mix 3 times the emount when replanting to give the plant the extra N.

you can find some super-soil recipes on SubCools sub-forum. he knows his shit very well.


the best way to check, to my opinion, is burning plants. get 1L pots (or less) and mix in each a certain emount of fertilizer. write how much you added. put a clone from the same plant in all pots. whichever has the most and doesn't burn the plant saying how much you should mix in.
I also believe that minor nute burns from amendments during seedling stage isn't anything to worry about. a week later they get the strength (and need) to take much more nutes.
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Heh, I have no idea how much 30 grams is. Im an American :) I just go by teaspoons or tablespoons/ gallon when mixing stuff in.

I think Ill do the tests with some bagseeds next grow. Thanks.
 
Night Claptoman

Night Claptoman

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no point in using different strains. you want to check how your plants will react. each strain like different emount of feeding.
if you grow plants you are not farmiliar with, use the recommanded emount to start with and on your next run you'll know what to do.

30 grams is around 1oz. a galon is around 4 liters.
there are calculators for that in google ;)
 
mv400

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Pics are fine Dave I wouldn't mind at all. I have 3 biobizz products, biogrow, fishmix and bioflower. Also I have superthrive and currently I am using that one. I haven't started feeding fertilizers since they are just 1 week old. Next monday is gonna be the day I start feeding them except one. One of the pots has bat guano mixed with soil. From what I understand biobizz fishmix would be better alternative to biogrow, no?
 
DaveCoulier

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mv400 said:
Pics are fine Dave I wouldn't mind at all. I have 3 biobizz products, biogrow, fishmix and bioflower. Also I have superthrive and currently I am using that one. I haven't started feeding fertilizers since they are just 1 week old. Next monday is gonna be the day I start feeding them except one. One of the pots has bat guano mixed with soil. From what I understand biobizz fishmix would be better alternative to biogrow, no?
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Damnit. I had to edit out my first post. One website said the NPK of fishmix had a low N content, but I just looked it up on Bio-Bizz website and its higher. Stupid people putting up wrong product descriptions. The fishmix should suffice by its self. 6-2-4 NPK. Thats enough N. You may want to contact them and ask should you use both together or not.
 
mv400

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Hmm they are probably designed to be used alternately I guess. I thought fishmix had higher P content than others before I bought it. You know P makes plant branches strong.
 
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